Proper way to inject HCG

[Wood4days]

Start pct 3wks after you stop the test.

You could try the HCG at 250iu twice a week during the cycle, or run it like Dr. Scally recommends or both. Probably won't need both though since it's not such an aggressive cycle.

Thanks. I'll run it on cycle as suggested at 250iu twice a week.

I found this article

How To Properly Cycle Off Steroids While Keeping Your Gains

I quoted the section which confused me. Is this article giving wrong information?

"Another important aspect to note is that HCG should not be used for more than a 3-4 week period and it should also not be used at very high doses, because this could desensitize the testicles to LH, and could leave you back in a bad position.

Typically HCG is used for the 3-4 weeks towards the end of a long cycle of steroids to raise natural testosterone levels in the testicles. HCG should be administered every 5 days to every 3 days (if you opt to use it more frequently doses should be adjusted accordingly) with the first shot in the last week of your cycle.

If you opt to go every five days the first two shots should be around 3000 IU, then the second two should be 1500 IU. It would be very wise to use Nolvadex during this time, and Clomid should be using following the HCG for 2-3 weeks along with the Nolvadex."

 

[bdub22]

bdub22

I was calculating the HCG shots. If you do HCG Monday and Thursday and I assume the vial you have is 2000iu

by the 7th shot you will be at the 21 day mark at which the HCG is no longer good. So the 8th shot which you should have 500iu left in the 2000 iu bottle will be no good.

is this correct?

Honestly i think it will stay good for ul to 45 days but i could be wrong.

 

[InquisitiveT]

Start pct 3wks after you stop the test.

You could try the HCG at 250iu twice a week during the cycle, or run it like Dr. Scally recommends or both. Probably won't need both though since it's not such an aggressive cycle.

Hello-

On a cycle like this what is your opinion as well on 'not' using hcg at all? Just standard pct at nolva and recover.

 

[bdub22]

Hello-

On a cycle like this what is your opinion as well on 'not' using hcg at all? Just standard pct at nolva and recover.

You will be fine without hcg. You could run a bostin loyd cycle and probably be ok without hcg. Most use it because it can help. I believe it helps me keep more gains.

 

[InquisitiveT]

You will be fine without hcg. You could run a bostin loyd cycle and probably be ok without hcg. Most use it because it can help. I believe it helps me keep more gains.

Lol even a Bostin Loyd, sheesh. I've seen his cycle once a while back on some eRoid forum and he's taking like 5 diff compounds

 

[Wood4days]

Honestly i think it will stay good for ul to 45 days but i could be wrong.

I'll look more into this. Thanks

 

[Wood4days]

Start pct 3wks after you stop the test.

You could try the HCG at 250iu twice a week during the cycle, or run it like Dr. Scally recommends or both. Probably won't need both though since it's not such an aggressive cycle.

How come I have to push my PCT out to 3 weeks? I read on muscle talk that clomid should be used 2 weeks after last injection of Test e.

So for me PCT starts 3 weeks after injection of test E because I'm using Nolvadex? Or the info on muscle talk is incorrect? Link below

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/articles/clomid-hcg.aspx

 

[Wood4days]

Bdub22

Do you think the information they give on here is false?How To Properly Cycle Off Steroids While Keeping Your Gains

They say it's best to do HCG off cycle. This is where it confuses me haha. But of course I rather listen to someone that had actually taken gear successfully instead of reading an article about it.

 

[bdub22]

I personally didn't agree with it. But honestly there is more than one way to run hcg some run the last few weeks some all cycle some run high dose and some run low. The main thing i dont agree with is running it during pct. I think your overthinking this bro. For just what your running 250iu 2x a week will be just fine i think

 

[Wood4days]

I personally didn't agree with it. But honestly there is more than one way to run hcg some run the last few weeks some all cycle some run high dose and some run low. The main thing i dont agree with is running it during pct. I think your overthinking this bro. For just what your running 250iu 2x a week will be just fine i think

I am over thinking it haha.

My friend started his cycle 4 weeks ago and he doesn't do enough research as I do. I just want to get as much info as possible and plan everything out correctly. This is a big leap for me and health is my main concern. The more I can learn the safer it will be.

My friend's advice is "just do it, you can research more while on gear"

I was like no thanks. Learn first gear later.

 

[bdub22]

I am over thinking it haha.

My friend started his cycle 4 weeks ago and he doesn't do enough research as I do. I just want to get as much info as possible and plan everything out correctly. This is a big leap for me and health is my main concern. The more I can learn the safer it will be.

My friend's advice is "just do it, you can research more while on gear"

I was like no thanks. Learn first gear later.

Thats smart man research the shit out of AAS man you can never learn enough. Be smart where you can run many successful cycles.

 

[Wood4days]

Thats smart man research the shit out of AAS man you can never learn enough. Be smart where you can run many successful cycles.

I message that Dr. Jim guy you suggested.

After I have concluded my cycle and what exactly I will be taking I sent him over my cycle to have a look at and asked for his "expert" advice on it.

He tore one on me and told me he wasn't here to spoon feed me and go seach google and read the boards.

Not a very nice fella. I did so much research already, that's how I even came up with my cycle. Just wanted him to look at it. Man he has roid rage bro.

Why would a doctor be on here if he wasn't happy to help others?

 

[bdub22]

I message that Dr. Jim guy you suggested.

After I have concluded my cycle and what exactly I will be taking I sent him over my cycle to have a look at and asked for his "expert" advice on it.

He tore one on me and told me he wasn't here to spoon feed me and go seach google and read the boards.

Not a very nice fella. I did so much research already, that's how I even came up with my cycle. Just wanted him to look at it. Man he has roid rage bro.

Why would a doctor be on here if he wasn't happy to help others?

Haha man hes blunt for sure. Go to the search feature and type any questions you have. Many of them have been answered on here 100 times thats why some members get aggravated answering the same questions everyday. I forgot to ask is this your first cycle?

 

[Wood4days]

Haha man hes blunt for sure. Go to the search feature and type any questions you have. Many of them have been answered on here 100 times thats why some members get aggravated answering the same questions everyday. I forgot to ask is this your first cycle?

I did my first cycle 10 years ago super newbie. Just buy and inject and did clomid pct. Minimal research. When I was off cycle I lost weight, became weaker than I was naturally. Felt like shit. That's why I never touched gear again until now.

So this time I want to do it right. That's why I always online reading and learning. However it gets confusing because one article will say this and another article wI'll say another thing. Hence the HCG cycle I was talking about earlier. On cycle or off cycle?

Forums are confusing as well. Everyone has their own opinion. So who you believe and trust is important. You might believe someone or read something on the forums and end up kI'll ing yourself lol

I went to my regular doctor and I was going to ask him for advice. He said whatever you ask me about health will go on record. So I didn't ask him shit. I said never mind lol

 

[bdub22]

I did my first cycle 10 years ago super newbie. Just buy and inject and did clomid pct. Minimal research. When I was off cycle I lost weight, became weaker than I was naturally. Felt like shit. That's why I never touched gear again until now.

So this time I want to do it right. That's why I always online reading and learning. However it gets confusing because one article will say this and another article wI'll say another thing. Hence the HCG cycle I was talking about earlier. On cycle or off cycle?

Forums are confusing as well. Everyone has their own opinion. So who you believe and trust is important. You might believe someone or read something on the forums and end up kI'll ing yourself lol

I went to my regular doctor and I was going to ask him for advice. He said whatever you ask me about health will go on record. So I didn't ask him shit. I said never mind lol

Ok so since its been so long since your last cycle you could technically call this your first cycle. Honestly 500mg of test a week will get you good results. Your results from any cycle really come down to your diet and training. If your dead set on running primo then its your call. It is confusing trying to figure out the best way.

 

[Wood4days]

Doing blood work Wednesday. I'm ready. Will see the 3 months transformation! I have a pretty clean diet but will revise for a higher calorie intake.

 

[Dr JIM]

He's a well known individual in the bodybuilding world, mostly through his youtube career. He's a well known supplement salesman in the bodybuilding world. That's about it though... I have enjoyed some of his videos too. But I would not take advice on cycling from him because a lot of it is ridiculous.

He reminds me of the "Hulkster" for the WWF in his earlier days.

However what is more important it next to impossible to know which RP comments are; based solely on "his experience", the result of a salesman bias, a reflection of how much bro-science has "brainwashed" him and others, or is legitimate evidence based data IME.

You folk want to KNOW the "truth" then YOU must do the research and interpret the data yourself. If you are not qualified to interpret the data, and that's certainly understandable, in a major way, THAT'S WHY MYSELF and Doc Scally are here!!!!!! IMO!

 

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[Dr JIM]

I think your overthinking this bro.

Over or under thinking I don't know, but this thread exposes why, for many, the advice here or elsewhere SEEMS "conflicting". (HCG in this instance)

I mean how are you or anyone else going to use these substances appropriately (unless you like being a PARROT ) without UNDERSTANDING in basic terms a drugs MECHANISM OF ACTION!

To that end what effect does HCG have on E-2 levels? The answer exposes whether or not using HCG during SERM based PCT would be a good idea!

Those who choose NOT to LEARN a few basic facts will inevitably develop complications or limit the benefit of PEDS, IME!

 

[Docd187123]

Hello-

On a cycle like this what is your opinion as well on 'not' using hcg at all? Just standard pct at nolva and recover.

For pretty basic cycles, especially short duration ones and ones without very harsh compounds, you could probably get by fine without HCG. It acts as sort of an insurance by stimulating the Leydig cells in your testes but it doesn't come without a cost. It does aromatize and can make controlling your E2 more difficult and can increase sides.