Proposed microdose cycle

[yannick67]

Not a bodybuild but an athlete instead. I have limited options due to my sport (high anabolic - too much weight - low performance)

here is my theory for microdosing for an endurance athlete. 20hrs endurance training/week. 1-3 weight sessions/week in the off season. All legs. Low rep high weight (for endurance athlete haha) Competition starts maybe March/April depending on pandemic issues.

Goal is to be as skinny as possible with power, strength and high red blood cells. BMI goal below 18 WITH POWER! A freak, but not for bodybuild stage haha

100-250mg test prop/week for recovery and red cells. Run 6 weeks on. 3 off.
20-40mg dbol pre weight training days (1-3 times per week) (DBOL similar to boldenone chemically, so maybe more red cells? plus immediate strength. Same as testo 6 on 3 off. For me, small guy, this WORKS! Maybe sublingual Anadrol/oral var or oral primo?
10-20iu GH per week for recovery/fatloss/body comp and more cells, like vascular system etc
3-10iu fast acting insulin on hard training days for IGF spike and extra carb load
1-200mg mast prop per week as an 'ai' and body comp effects and maybe more red cells. Same as testo time frame.
ECA for performance benefit and fat mobilization, 2 times a week max
Inj vits - 1000 b12/week, 5mg folic/week
Inhaled terbutaline + ventolin 3-5 times per week for training benefit and body comp
HCG 15000iu total end of cycle. Any other pct product is not possible. High testo is not needed for peak.
100-150mcg T4 for use with GH plus body comp. It really works pre training for endurance athlete. Fat melts.
Ok, in season this changes. The testo is used only when natural testo is low. HCG to bring up or 20mg testo sus for a recovery boost. It works! It can also mask testo.
40mg triamcinolone (cortisone) for the peak 6 weeks in comp. It eats muscle and fat while boosting power. Crazy shit and legal.
Diazepam/Xanax/Zopiclone/Zolpidem occasional use during hard blocks for 12-14 hrs deep sleep in comp, jet lag etc. WARNING!
Tramadol 100-150mg occasionally on hard days. Also for cold days. BE CAREFUL. May have to use tapentatdol or hydrcodone during season WARNING!
Modafnil for focus occasionally

Normal Sups...

Peak 02 (Cordyceps)
Hydrapharm Plasma
ZMA
Ferrograd C
Turmeric
D3 5000iu
Omega 3
Valerian Root
L-Theanine
Spirulina
Various herbal teas
Creatine (3-5g) (No water weight for me, goes into muscle with insulin)
High Carb products


The next chapter.....

I want to buy/make inj carnitine
EPO if i can find in my country
Inj/transdermal SR9009
Inj ITPP
BEMITIL
Other russian products and undetectable products/peptides?
AICAR inj
Actovegin
SNRI/SSRI for pain relief/nootropic?

What do you think?

How should I use my HCG after? (I have 15000iu) I was thinking 5000 iu wk 1, next 5000iu, 1000 iu 1 day on 1 off. Use last 5000 iu to ween off. 3-4wk total.
I am interested in hearing opinions on everything here. Don't hold back.

My goal is HIGH red cells, LOW body weight (muscle and fat) and high power. Anything I can add?

I have a doctor looking after my health. He is a good guy. I take bloods once a month.

Thanks

 

[EustaceBagge]

This is going to be my first '''real'' post on this board, and I do not want to sound like a smartass, but isn't dbol counterproductive to your goals? Maybe tbol would do you more good. At least from what I read on the boards. Also, if you really want an oral maybe adrol would do you better from a rbc standpoint. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[yannick67]

This is going to be my first '''real'' post on this board, and I do not want to sound like a smartass, but isn't dbol counterproductive to your goals? Maybe tbol would do you more good. At least from what I read on the boards. Also, if you really want an oral maybe adrol would do you better from a rbc standpoint. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Yes you make good sense! Tbol, but metabolites linger too long. Dbol i chose as it gives a great sensation when lifting as it gives a great mind muscle connection. As its only occasional I find I gain no mass from it, only better recovery, pump and strength. Adrol metabolites are also long, so sublingual with alcohol is the only option, so its 'weaker'.

I might try your suggestion of Adrol and see if there is a notable difference.

NOONE on my thread will be a smart arse. I want all the advice and criticism possible as I want to learn. Thanks for your input!

 

[All Nats McGee]

Drop the 10-20iu hgh with slin gonna be a bloated whale. Just do 2-3iu. Also drop the opiates. Switch the dbol for sublingual anadrol as stated above. Find some EPO and GW 501615. Also only 100mg prop max if your also gonna run mast too. You’re not looking for weight you need rbc to be temporary high and a bit of strength.

 

[yannick67]

Drop the 10-20iu hgh with slin gonna be a bloated whale. Just do 2-3iu. Also drop the opiates. Switch the dbol for sublingual anadrol as stated above. Find some EPO and GW 501615. Also only 100mg prop max if your also gonna run mast too. You’re not looking for weight you need rbc to be temporary high and a bit of strength.

Yes each dose is 2-3iu. I quoted weekly dose, probably wasn't clear.

Will try adrol!

GW is no go - long metabolites and actually not that good for advanced endurance athletes.

I wish pain pills were banned in sport. But if you crash you need them, to make the most of the enhancement you need them... its sad but truth of pro sport

 

[$BlackBeard]

Ok, you seem to have so many things planned you’ll never know what works and what doesn’t. I’ve tried GW both oral and injection and I did not notice a difference in my RPE vs PWR vs HR for identical workouts. But, I used these on their own.

IME, moderate dosages of AAS do two things - increase my RBCs and cause me to retain water. I have a naturally high hematocrit so I have to be especially careful in monitoring this. The upside is more RBCs coming at the cost of increased water weight.

I would choose a stimulant over everything you listed as my go to but I don’t know what type of testing and when you may be faced with.

 

[$BlackBeard]

All legs. Low rep high weight (for endurance athlete haha)

I just re-read your post. I quoted the above as that is what I’ve tried over the years to no success. Low rep/ high weight is a powerlifting protocol. Trying to work this into an endurance training block is not possible for me. I’m 40 and the fatigue I feel in my legs after a heavy session means I can only complete an endurance and maybe a tempo zone workout the next day.

If you are younger, you may be able to make it work and I’m interested to know if you can.

 

[RunTrenFckTens]

Fuck that's a lot of shit to be putting in your body lmfao. How will you ever know what may be hindering or negative...? You sound like straight-up psychopath, David Goggins Junior. Mixing recreational drugs in there too. Sounds like you are fighting some inner demons.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Endurance athlete...hmm...i dont see how this stuff will help you. Your body will want to destroy muscle tissue for optimum efficiency and energy. I would think all this stuff will do is fuck with bp and lower performance. I mean epo definetly and ive heard of endurance athletes using some winny. Unless you are a cyclist which is anaerobic and aerobic.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Holy shit @yannick67 how bad do you want it?

That’s a lot of crap. Tramadol? My god.

Is that what everyone else is really using to get to top level?

I can see testosterone, like 400 mg/week with a short ester/no ester to avoid detection. And GH for recovery at 4-5 iu a day. Maybe an oral like winny. But that’s it.

Xanax and hydrocodone? I would think that would affect performance negatively. It certainly did for me 15 years ago. Those things are so good it’s all you want to do. But it leads to dark places that aren’t worth going.

 

[$BlackBeard]

Is that what everyone else is really using to get to top level?

Absolutely not and I know this as fact. A lot are very clean with their drug of choice being coffee. Others, like I suspect above, could benefit for more structured training.

 

[$BlackBeard]

[OA] Caffeine and Exercise Performance

Following critical evaluation of the available literature to date, The International Society of Sports Nutrition (ISSN) position regarding caffeine intake is as follows:

Supplementation with caffeine has been shown to acutely enhance various aspects of exercise performance in many but not all studies. Small to moderate benefits of caffeine use include, but are not limited to: muscular endurance, movement velocity and muscular strength, sprinting, jumping, and throwing performance, as well as a wide range of aerobic and anaerobic sport-specific actions.

Aerobic endurance appears to be the form of exercise with the most consistent moderate-to-large benefits from caffeine use, although the magnitude of its effects differs between individuals.

Caffeine has consistently been shown to improve exercise performance when consumed in doses of 3–6 mg/kg body mass. Minimal effective doses of caffeine currently remain unclear but they may be as low as 2 mg/kg body mass. Very high doses of caffeine (e.g. 9 mg/kg) are associated with a high incidence of side-effects and do not seem to be required to elicit an ergogenic effect.

The most commonly used timing of caffeine supplementation is 60 min pre-exercise. Optimal timing of caffeine ingestion likely depends on the source of caffeine. For example, as compared to caffeine capsules, caffeine chewing gums may require a shorter waiting time from consumption to the start of the exercise session.

Caffeine appears to improve physical performance in both trained and untrained individuals.

Inter-individual differences in sport and exercise performance as well as adverse effects on sleep or feelings of anxiety following caffeine ingestion may be attributed to genetic variation associated with caffeine metabolism, and physical and psychological response. Other factors such as habitual caffeine intake also may play a role in between-individual response variation.

Caffeine has been shown to be ergogenic for cognitive function, including attention and vigilance, in most individuals.

Caffeine may improve cognitive and physical performance in some individuals under conditions of sleep deprivation.

The use of caffeine in conjunction with endurance exercise in the heat and at altitude is well supported when dosages range from 3 to 6 mg/kg and 4–6 mg/kg, respectively.

Alternative sources of caffeine such as caffeinated chewing gum, mouth rinses, energy gels and chews have been shown to improve performance, primarily in aerobic exercise.

Energy drinks and pre-workout supplements containing caffeine have been demonstrated to enhance both anaerobic and aerobic performance.

Guest, N.S., VanDusseldorp, T.A., Nelson, M.T. et al. International society of sports nutrition position stand: caffeine and exercise performance. J Int Soc Sports Nutr 18, 1 (2021). International society of sports nutrition position stand: caffeine and exercise performance

 

[OldSmice]

I'm just joe average internet person...

But I would simplify

Enough test to keep your Free T high-normal
2 IU quality GH

Train hard.
Eat quality food harder.
Sleep hardest.

PED's have never done much noticeable for me in endurance sports. But I'm not the most scientific about things.

 

[BJJisLIFE]

Unless I missed something, is there a reason why you haven't mentioned the sport you're training for? I mean if you're training 20 hours a week I can only guess it's an Ironman?

 

[yannick67]

UPDATE

I took advice, I was careful with what was highlighted, but in my training diary I was able to overcome insomnia on 6 occasions and had a great session the next day.

My gains were huge, my recovery was insane. No sides other than feeling great. Unfortunately without some painkillers some endurance sessions would have been abandoned, the hormonal support allowed me to recover.

I was careful, recorded everything. I listened and continued to read and learn. I added in BPC (I had no injuries) but this works systemic for recovery.

Dbol was choses since it has a high effect on RBC, I want high RBC.

Thank you for your input