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pros/cons of HCG with TRT?

I've got this horrible feeling I'm not gonna receive any benefit from testosterone. Not having a sex drive is a serious worry at 37. Wished I'd never taken dutasteride.

I know it's only 48 hrs later but I actually feel moderately depressed and lacking in energy rather than anything. My mood hasn't been this bad in months. Bit worried.
 
You are messing around with Hcg yet you blame testosterone for being unable to help your situation? Not to mention your test dose was too high all at once.

But anyways, Hcg has the ability to singlehandedly ruin any protocol I could come up with... didnt you read Vantage108's posts in this thread?
 
No way to tell anything until you've been on T + HCG for 4 to 5 weeks. Strictly speaking, the best way to know what HCG will/will not do for you would be to use only HCG for at least a month.

Re: the loading dose. Probably not a good idea as you're about to use a protocol that can give you E2 issues. Igniting aromatase activity with a big T dose could get you that problem all on its own.
 
agree with what lw64 said, you can't be in panic mode and doing wild protocol changes on a haphazard daily basis, you need to formulate a logical plan and stick with it for awhile with discipline

that being said, what were your testosterone levels in the first place before you did trt? many find that low testosterone levels that are natural will have better libido and function for them than once they start messing around with trt expecting it to be the answer to their libido wishes.... I've found that testosterone has only a supporting role in libido and often the real issues have nothing to do with the hpta and testosterone/estrogen etc.. you can have strong libido with relatively low testosterone levels and you can also have zero libido with high testosterone levels
 
foreveryoung said:
What was your test levels before you started trt?
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It's in pmol so you wont understand it but bottom of normal range though. Just inside, though I have had readings outside of bottom of normal range. Also, I am osteopenic in both femoral necks.

LW64 said:
No way to tell anything until you've been on T + HCG for 4 to 5 weeks. Strictly speaking, the best way to know what HCG will/will not do for you would be to use only HCG for at least a month.

Re: the loading dose. Probably not a good idea as you're about to use a protocol that can give you E2 issues. Igniting aromatase activity with a big T dose could get you that problem all on its own.
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Yeah I guess you're right. I'm impatient. I just don't get lucky so am presuming I wont get anywhere with this and yes it was a mistake to pin the whole 250mgs. Won't be happening again. Not sure how long to wait now before my first standard dose of 50mgs and 250ius HCG every 3 days.

I have enough knowledge to know that some people have high libido with low test and visa versa even if e2 is under control. It's a mystery.. but I'm tired a lot and I have low libido despite being very fit for my age and doing a physical job and I have low testosterone so I figured it is worth a shot, pun unintended.
 
These are my results from a couple of years ago. They are representative of my usual labs but the only ones I have a record of. My test has been as low as 8 on a scale of 10-28. It has been as high as 15 but generally it's between 10-13 the other times.

BONE DENSITY REPORT
BMD (g/cm2) T Score Z Score Classification
AP Spine L1,L2 1.016 -0.3 -0.3 Normal
Femoral Neck (left) 0.691 -1.8 -1.4 Osteopenic
Femoral Neck (right) 0.664 -2.0 -1.6 Osteopenic

Seman analysis normal apart from the sample was viscous! Lovely!

Bloods- 18/01/13 09:46AM

FSH - 2.6 iu/L 1.3-19.3

LH - 5.0 iu/L 1.2-8.6

Progesterone 0.9nmol/L

SHBG 29 nmol/L 10-50

testosterone 13nmol/L 10-27.6

estradiol 83pmol/L range 73-172 LOW NORMAL

Free Test 0.275nmol/L

TSH 1.4mu/L 0.34-5.6

FT4 12.3 pmol/L 7.5-21

Glucose 4.6mmol/L 4.0-6.0
 
LW64 said:
Skip taking BOTH the next day you are due (Thursday?), then go back to both the next due date (Sunday).
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OK will do!

Is it normal to have an aching quad for a couple of days post injection? It didn't hurt at the time or the next day but yesterday and today it's hurt moderately.
 
Deadballs said:
Is it normal to have an aching quad for a couple of days post injection? It didn't hurt at the time or the next day but yesterday and today it's hurt moderately.
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That's where you injected T?

Yes, it can get sore.
 
Yeah I'll go glute next time. I just wanted to be able to look at what I was doing and be seated too for the first time. I'm more confident now. I'll go into glute.
 
My problem with injecting other places besides glutes is if you get an infection or a cyst they will have to cut you to drain it.Using UGL steroids you don't know how sterile the stuff is.I have only done glutes and if you have an issue it doesnt really effect your working out....
 
Getting a lot of nocturnal erections and am waking with an erection every morning. Sometimes my erection doesn't seem to want to go away in the morning. Balls feel full and normal. Still low libido.

Also, I seem to be able to sleep forever!
 
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LW64 said:
Low? Ok. Low but not zero, right?
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Yeah low, not zero. I have only ever had zero libido twice. Once on finasteride, when actually taking it for the first time and even worse than that when I took anastrozole and clomid attempting a restart. If 100% is wanting it badly like a teenager, I'm at 5%
 
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