Proviron With Tren (the Benefits)

[★Valkyrie★]

A fellow brother recently had a thread going with concerns with his "first tren cycle". The discussion soon turned into how to combat or hinder sides.

So lets talk about this shall we?

Tren is the compound that's well known for having a love hate relationship with most users. Most will deem it a necessary evil. But, in fact it doesn't have to be classified as evil after all.

Allow me to intro some clinical studies that have been conducted with a compound most commonly known as Proviron-trade name (Mesterolone).This agent posses some amazing characteristics with Antidepressant properties, as well Antianxiety.
It works by also metabolizing and being recognized through the endocrine as (other) a neurosteroid,effectively functioning as a so-called proneurosteroid (Testosterone is also recognized as one).. These steroids synthesized in the brain (Proviron especially) and have effects on brain function,In addition to their actions on neuronal membrane receptors,improving the quality of the channels that cells use to communicate and interact.

Proviron(mesterolone) will exert inhibitory actions on neurotransmission, acting as potent positive allosteric modulator of the GABA receptor (This is crucial concerning Tren-Insomnia as healthly function levels of GABA will produce a stable sleep state/environment for rest) and possess, in no particular order, antidepressant,sress-reducing, feeling warm/fuzzy/rewarding,pro-social, antiaggressive(huge consider tren sides),prosexual,sedative/prosleep,cognitive-memory improvement..The list goes on!

(Where does this apply with Tren? It can aid all the way around with individuals how are sensitive or not.From the social aspect,overwhelming sense of anxiety,lack of sleep,basically every stated above that may apply with the usage of tren and the onset of its unwanted side)

In addition to this information, an individual can also utilized Masteron (Drostanolonein) in conjunction with Proviron, running both concurrent may yield a great synergenic effect,each compound will compliment one an other.

Below is a image illustrating the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it functions, also I will include some real actual studies conducted with proven results expressing the benefits of this compound (proviron)
Keep in mind that these doses may seem extreme,its been proven time and time again that such significant dosages are not needed to yield the effect. Merely a daily intake of 50-100 will suffice for almost anyone!

Citation
Database: PsycINFO
[ Journal Article ]
A comparison of the antidepressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and amitriptyline in depressed men.
Vogel, William; Klaiber, Edward L.; Broverman, Donald M.
Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, Vol 46(1), Jan 1985, 6-8.

Abstract

1. 26 depressed male outpatients were randomly assigned to 14 wks of treatment with either mesterolone or amitriptyline in a double-blind parallel treatment design. Ss completed the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression and a symptom checklist each week. Findings reveal that the drugs were equally effective in reducing depressive symptoms. Mesterolone produced significantly fewer adverse side effects than amitriptyline and did not produce hypomania or tachycardia, recognized side effects of amitriptyline. (10 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)

Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.
The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study).
Itil TM, Michael ST, Shapiro DM, Itil KZ.
Abstract
Based on computer EEG (CEEG) profiles, in high doses, antidepressant properties of mesterolone, a synthetic androgen, were predicted. In a double-blind placebo controlled study, the clinical effects of 300-450 mg daily mesterolone were investigated in 52 relatively young (age range 26-53 years, mean 42.7 years) male depressed outpatients. During 6 weeks of mesterolone treatment, there was a significant improvement of depressive symptomatology. However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

This study is nothing but smoke and mirrors. It only proves that unusually high doses (350-400mg DAILY) have demonstrated positive results for depression, amongst other related issues. Ive never met one single person who was depressed on Trenbolone - in fact, quite the opposite..lol. And i think you skipped over this part, "However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo."

The truth is, this study proves nothing in relation to your claims. IMHO, Proviron has little to no benefit for the average body builder. Its a weak AI and does NOT build or assist in muscle tissue.

No disrespect Valkyrie, im sure you mean well. But Proviron is a bullshit compound with no value other than perhaps a libido boost.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Forgot to add, if this were about Masteron...that's a completely different ballgame, my friend. Now THAT compound does in fact have amazing synergistic properties with Trenbolone. In fact, i and many others experience some of the claims you have attempted to represent here. And i would hazard a guess that there are far greater members here who can attest to their similar experience with Mast and Tren.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Smoke and mirrors? sassy..

If you read I did stress that it was a study with rather high doses and that prov is not prescribed at such doses, yet world wide its recognized by physicians for the anti properties that it posses, in many aspects. Yet your opinion with no medical/clinical backing contest other wise?

per your notion with individuates using tren with no known sides of depression, or other sides, is limited as it tends to be an individualized experience,when it pertains to negative effects.

so, whatever YOU attempted to articulate here has failed to show any real value on the contract of a healthy dialog.. In exchanges to your ideals, you failed if you can't provide any backing to these notions!

I can prove that Prov does in fact represent outstanding properties with "assisting" when it concerns muscle growth,AR's as well as anabolic influence when it concerns the amplifications of other agents..

Please don't circle talk me with what he said,he said BS!

I think this community deserves facts, not IMHO!

Intrigue me if you will..

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[Northern Nutrition]

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Classy, what a Nobel reply..I didn't expect any less.
Have a great day, but please, don't misinform the community!

 

[infraredline]

So valkyrie, do you have to take those high doses to get the benefits? If not then what dose of proviron could you use and still see benefits of mitigating tren sides?

 

[★Valkyrie★]

So valkyrie, do you have to take those high doses to get the benefits? If not then what dose of proviron could you use and still see benefits of mitigating tren sides?

No you do NOT need to take such insane dosages..That was just a basic read, that it's seen and recognized by the world wide medical journals, as a valid study conducted in medicine.

It's used at clinics world wide as a valid medication to treat some depression and anxiety disorders. I have been advocating its use for years, with numerous feedback backing this from individuals that have had GREAT success utilizing this concurrently with tren.

Not every compound that is favored or utilized in the AAS world has properties for muscle building, but many play a pivotal role with assisting other compounds with their job. as well as combating or canceling other unwanted sides.. This is just one of them!

IMO,This is one of the most underrated compound there is!

I would suggest starting at 50 and see how you react, up the dose if need be,no more then 100mgs ED is necessary. I also suggest GABA in the late evening, this also assists with sleep when on tren..

 

[brutus79]

Smoke and mirrors? sassy..

If you read I did stress that it was a study with rather high doses and that prov is not prescribed at such doses, yet world wide its recognized by physicians for the anti properties that it posses, in many aspects. Yet your opinion with no medical/clinical backing contest other wise?

per your notion with individuates using tren with no known sides of depression, or other sides, is limited as it tends to be an individualized experience,when it pertains to negative effects.

so, whatever YOU attempted to articulate here has failed to show any real value on the contract of a healthy dialog.. In exchanges to your ideals, you failed if you can't provide any backing to these notions!

I can prove that Prov does in fact represent outstanding properties with "assisting" when it concerns muscle growth,AR's as well as anabolic influence when it concerns the amplifications of other agents..

Please don't circle talk me with what he said,he said BS!

I think this community deserves facts, not IMHO!

Intrigue me if you will..

He quoted your own study- the very same facts you feel are relevant. .. you just happen to be ignoring the part that doesn't help you sell proviron.

Around here when you get the dipshit tag from a doctor that's a little more than imho, and to top it all off you are a source. This is simply an ad for your products and we are not buying.

 

[pumpingiron22]

Interesting article.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

He quoted your own study- the very same facts you feel are relevant. .. you just happen to be ignoring the part that doesn't help you sell proviron.

Around here when you get the dipshit tag from a doctor that's a little more than imho, and to top it all off you are a source. This is simply an ad for your products and we are not buying.

First and foremost, I'm not ignoring any chapter, it so happens to be that I did not see his reply above, but on that note I refuse to get into any sort of unhealthy dialogue when it pertains to ones "opinion", I don't posses control over ones feeling, nor do I wish to dictate them. I stated facts backed by clinical studies and a well documented profile.. If anyone possessed any sort of common sense and had doubt, they would take the information above and do further research with what I provided.

The Dr had more than an ample opportunity to post his feelings on the subject when it pertained to a study that is recognized by the medical community WORLD WIDE. So I suppose a youtube clip with "moans & groans" is enough to behest the masses. If that's a formal way of displaying mental sharpness or keen intelligence then I deem him a genius.( with all due respect )

In regards to your sassy remark insinuating this to be some sort of promotional antic,your are wrong. A matter of fact, one of our peers had some questions and concerns in his very own thread, some members and I engaged in a healthy dialogue,and the end result being I merely suggested if I should make a thread that pertains to the topic, and the majority concurred, hence I constructed this thread thereafter.

So, about that shot you fired,denominating me as cattle that got branded, or some sort of hazing. You missed!

Have a fantastic day Cletus, I mean Brutus.

 

[brutus79]

First and foremost, I'm not ignoring any chapter, it so happens to be that I did not see his reply above, but on that note I refuse to get into any sort of unhealthy dialogue when it pertains to ones "opinion", I don't posses control over ones feeling, nor do I wish to dictate them. I stated facts backed by clinical studies and a well documented profile.. If anyone possessed any sort of common sense and had doubt, they would take the information above and do further research with what I provided.

The Dr had more than an ample opportunity to post his feelings on the subject when it pertained to a study that is recognized by the medical community WORLD WIDE. So I suppose a youtube clip with "moans & groans" is enough to behest the masses. If that's a formal way of displaying mental sharpness or keen intelligence then I deem him a genius.( with all due respect )

In regards to your sassy remark insinuating this to be some sort of promotional antic,your are wrong. A matter of fact, one of our peers had some questions and concerns in his very own thread, some members and I engaged in a healthy dialogue,and the end result being I merely suggested if I should make a thread that pertains to the topic, and the majority concurred, hence I constructed this thread thereafter.

So, about that shot you fired,denominating me as cattle that got branded, or some sort of hazing. You missed!

Have a fantastic day Cletus, I mean Brutus.

Did you really just say sassy? Wow.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Did you really just quote me saying sassy? wow.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Holy mumbo jumbo, Batman. Wtf are you going on about?? Do you really talk like this in person? If you do, i'd have to choke you. Internet guys like you drive me nuts. Quit trying to be someone else. Use your OWN words and stop trying to string together "intelligent sounding" comments, its not working and only supporting the fact you have very little grasp on this subject. Youre desperate to explain yourself by attempting to talk above others, but sadly youre only talking above yourself. Seriously, the more you go on about a subject you know little about, the more desperate you appear.

Btw, Brutus called this one perfectly.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Gentleman, again, please take the information that I submitted, and do what you will with it, take what you want, leave what you wish. Do your own research on where you think I failed to deliver. It's just an information read, that is all. Stop getting you panties in a ruffle. My goodness!

Have a fantastic day!

 

[beast_mode89]

No disrespect Valkyrie, im sure you mean well. But Proviron is a bullshit compound with no value other than perhaps a libido boost.

If Proviron was such a bullshit compound then why do a lot of bbers use it during their contest prep. It's not a bs compound it has its place like every other aas out there that bbers use.

 

[ebkallday]

If Proviron was such a bullshit compound then why do a lot of bbers use it during their contest prep. It's not a bs compound it has its place like every other aas out there that bbers use.

Very good point. I myself have no experience with it however, I do personally know some local amatures that use it.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

If Proviron was such a bullshit compound then why do a lot of bbers use it during their contest prep. It's not a bs compound it has its place like every other aas out there that bbers use.

What does it do? Explain it to me. And dont tell me about who does it, that means nothing. People jump off bridges - doesn't mean it's good for you. Think for yourself and explain to me what it does for YOU and stop parroting what you hear. Have you even tried it? I have. It does nothing except boost libido. No synergy, no aromatase inhibitor protection, nothing.

 

[ebkallday]

What does it do? Explain it to me. And dont tell me about who does it, that means nothing. People jump off bridges - doesn't mean it's good for you. Think for yourself and explain to me what it does for YOU and stop parroting what you hear. Have you even tried it? I have. It does nothing except boost libido. No synergy, no aromatase inhibitor protection, nothing.

Bill Roberts has a good bit on Proviron. He explains why it has little use in BB. He explains two uses: one being Anti-E but is not nearly has effective as an AI and Libido issues, which there are better solutions to that as well. Seems like a waste of money to me.