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Declan what do you want? You didn't want studies, you wanted first hand experiences and got them.

Now you don't want theories, you want data. You want certainty, a manual spelling everything out in detail with enough data to eliminate all ambiguity.

All I can tell you is my experience, and of others, who use them continuously and experienced no further drop off in efficacy. We know thousands of closely monitored trial subjects had no drop off in efficacy over the course of years of continuous use, being 2 to 3 years passed any additional weight loss or side effects at the final dose they stayed on permanently. They're not regaining weight.

Do what you want. Go on and off, use whatever protocol. Maybe it'll be just fine. Maybe in a few years there will be some explanation for what's being experienced. Maybe after 25 cycles none of the drugs in this class will work for you ever again, or perhaps your immune system turns on the natural form of GLP and GIP as a result, with some terrible health impact. God knows we have a long list of unintended medicine consequences only discovered after many years.

All I can do; if I'm going to keep using this stuff, is try to minimize my risk from exposure to the unknown by sticking as closely to the methods used that have proven safe for a lot of people over an extended period of time. "Millions of patient years of experience" is the relevant expression. Maybe I've already fucked myself by using a peptide made in the basement of some Beijing dry cleaner. Who knows. We're all a bunch of Magellan's out here. Only time will tell.
I am just trying to understand based on your experience and others, but since you say it won’t work as well if you keep stopping I am wondering if you know based on your experience when it stops or how it much reduction in efficacy when you reintroduce it again.

My question rises from what you alone experienced, which is different from what Sampei described as for him it’s just the appetite suppression.

Remember I am not a diabetic, I am dabbling at this as a fatloss aid nothing more, hence, I am not planning of using it forever.

And from what I gather off your statements now, I will continue to do so since everyone here are just experimenting when it comes to using it in bodybuilding terms.
 
I am just trying to understand based on your experience and others, but since you say it won’t work as well if you keep stopping I am wondering if you know based on your experience when it stops or how it much reduction in efficacy when you reintroduce it again.

My question rises from what you alone experienced, which is different from what Sampei described as for him it’s just the appetite suppression.

Remember I am not a diabetic, I am dabbling at this as a fatloss aid nothing more, hence, I am not planning of using it forever.

And from what I gather off your statements now, I will continue to do so since everyone here are just experimenting when it comes to using it in bodybuilding terms.
Just my anecdotal experience with Tirzepatide from this source.
By the end i had to go up to 20mg/week to still get any small appetite supressant effects. Blood glucose management still there. Decided to drop all GLP's after reaching 5% bodyfat. Now back at 12%. Started using it again after 5 months because fasted BG getting too high with 8iu gh. Started at out 10mg Tirzepatide, no appetite effects. Fasted BG was in range but not optimal. Just added in 4mg Retatrutide. Now i feel a bit of appetite supressant effects again and good slowing of gastric emptying. Fasted BG fully in range.
 
Just my anecdotal experience with Tirzepatide from this source.
By the end i had to go up to 20mg/week to still get any small appetite supressant effects. Blood glucose management still there. Decided to drop all GLP's after reaching 5% bodyfat. Now back at 12%. Started using it again after 5 months because fasted BG getting too high with 8iu gh. Started at out 10mg Tirzepatide, no appetite effects. Fasted BG was in range but not optimal. Just added in 4mg Retatrutide. Now i feel a bit of appetite supressant effects again and good slowing of gastric emptying. Fasted BG fully in range.
Thanks man good to know.

Another one losing the appetite suppression upon cessation and switching compounds helped.
 
my cycles have been primarily: test, primo, gh, mk677.
Have slightly dabbled with anavar and masteron and some peptides.

Got some anadrol and dianabol just because the promo was insane, otherwise wasn't planning on trying these anytime soon.

Out of the two I was going to try out anadrol for a few weeks during this cycle. I'm thinking I'll go with half of my usual test/primo blast amount + 20mg anadrol a day maybe and see if I like it. Is it decent short term like a few weeks?

Also I just started doing keto again (I imagine there is less aromatising but haven't looked into this. I haven't jumped back in cycle yet but will look into this.

I'm accustomed to a certain amount of primo and test balancing well for me. And I'm hoping it won't be difficult to find a new "sweet balance". Hopefully it's nearly the same.

Any insights on this, any experience on your cycle needs changing after switching to keto vs what you run high carb?

Any raves or complaints on dbol vs anadrol. Im interested in muscle but I really appreciate the high strength of high dosage cycles.

The appeal of orals to me is maybe still getting crazy strength gains without as much total mg of androgens per week. Any experience on expectations being met here or disappointed?

Let's have some steroid bro talk. Let the fatties have their glp talks lol .
 
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Is this international?
 
Yes, I have experienced it first hand, years ago, along with others with me experiencing a similar effect. It was so much weaker than my first "cycle", I was under the impression my second batch of Semaglutide was bunk, yet 2 others using it for the first time disproved that impression.

This was years before I came across other's anecdotes of similar experiences.

Then during a study of Tirz, researchers noticed a subset of subjects who had used short acting (diabetic treatment) GLPs and stopped, years before, uniformly had a weaker response to Tirz.

Now here and there clinicians will mention their patients hit a plateau and take a "break" to "reset" what they think is tolerance, a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the drug works. Again, like a "diet pill", and not a hormone. Only when they return, higher doses are required to recover the same level of weight loss.

This is hardly going to draw a lot of "high powered" research when there's a list a mile long of other aspects of these compounds waiting to be looked more deeply into. Just like you shouldn't expect research on the effects of stacking Reta and Sema or any other non-pharma protocol any time soon.

As for "it stopped working", did it? "Stopped working" means regaining the weight lost while on the same dose, and I don't hear that. In fact, the 3-4 year extended clinical trial phases of Tirz & Sema, with more than 10,000 subjects show nothing like that happening.

I keep using this analogy because all the clinical evidence and patient experience aligns with this.

GLP class drugs lower your metabolic "thermostat" on a dose dependent basis. When that weight "setting" is approached, appetite suppression weakens, then stops. But if you regain weight, on the same dose, appetite suppression returns as the body regulates appetite to return to homeostasis. This is why users of a maintainance dose maintain the same weight (roughly) for years, without further appetite suppression or side effects. It's not a diet pill. To lose more, increase the dose, the "setting" is lowered further, and appetite suppression returns until weight drops to whatever equilibrium level for the new dose is reached.

As to whether the observed weakening effect is only related to appetite or the other health benefits as well, that's a compete unknown. It'll probobly be years before we get answers as to how and who this affects. Diabetics aren't jumping on and off, so there's not much to be discovered with them. Pharma weight loss users aren't typically starting and stopping repeatedly. They either get to a maintenance dose as advised in the prescribing instructions, or they just come off.

And intentionally doing this to subjects when the research is of a potential harm will make it hard to get approved.

I will say this. The "failure" rate and "non responders", seem to be exponentially higher among the "do it yourself" crowd than those on the pharma protocols.
There is a new study pitting Tirz against Reta where you have to be off any GLP prior to 90 days with a static weight also. Could be interesting if they track who had used before and who hadn’t.
 
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Is shipping domestic or international pricing?
 
He's saying starting and stopping is increasingly (anecdotally) linked to a lack of effect/response later on. So If you use it for a cut and stop now, don't expect it to just work the same way next time you want to use it for a cut
Thats Bullshit. He knows as much as anyone Re: receptor downgrade. Every single drug/chemical/substance is subsceptible to desensitazion. The higher the dosage and incremental increases, the more quickly this occurs.
He would be lying to himself and to a few "inocent" ignorant people that the GLP-1's are not prone to triggering a negative feedback tot the HPTA axis .
Less is usually better when wanting longer sustained action OR a combo of DIFERENT GLP-1'S taken together to mitigate the desentization of GLP-1's and their magnificent effect on health parameters.
Don't fall prey to the " But ,but this is different" Blahh blah nonsense, when people act out their impulsivity and crank up dosages, higher than blue whale reccomendations. GLP-1'S still fall under the less is more umbrella. It's just that the bodybuilding/fitness community have always acted as self-testing,impatient guinea pigs, myself included .
 
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Black November: Promo n°5
Pricing:

BPC157 10mg $35/kit
BPC157/TB500 5mg each $70/kit
Cagrilintide 5mg $80/kit
Mots-c 20mg $85/kit
NAD+ 500mg $65/kit
Retatrutide 10mg $125/kit
Semaglutide 10mg $85/kit

Less than $300: shipping is charged
More than $300: Free shipping, all countries

Deadline: 13th November 2024, USA time

Promo batchs lab tests:


How to order?
‌‎
sigma@sigmachemical.com.cn
Whatsapp: +86 16503300980

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Email:
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they better start answering quick!
 
Just my anecdotal experience with Tirzepatide from this source.
By the end i had to go up to 20mg/week to still get any small appetite supressant effects. Blood glucose management still there. Decided to drop all GLP's after reaching 5% bodyfat. Now back at 12%. Started using it again after 5 months because fasted BG getting too high with 8iu gh. Started at out 10mg Tirzepatide, no appetite effects. Fasted BG was in range but not optimal. Just added in 4mg Retatrutide. Now i feel a bit of appetite supressant effects again and good slowing of gastric emptying. Fasted BG fully in range.
Try semi to the mix I feel that tirz is not so aggressive on the hunger signal
 
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