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[American]

We've had a couple of newbies like you come in spitting fire and quickly shown the door lately. But you've managed to demonstrate more belligerent worthlessness in the couple of weeks since you joined than any of them.

In light of recent events, the attacks on my suggestion that Terminal Sterilization could be a useful incremental step in harm reduction are even more absurd. The black flecks are a blessing. A visual indicator that vial is no longer sterile. What about vials that have been compromised but show no visible sign? This is not a criticism of QSC, every vial from any source that hasn't been tested or Terminally Sterilized could be infected, and many probably are, even if they don't cause immediate illness. Educate yourself on the difference between "Sterile" and "Bacteriostatic", where bacteria are present, but simply live in suspended animation, only to be dealt with by the immune system post injection.

What test is it you're looking for? The same one Declan is? Proof a non-sterile vial of UGL or home brew gear exists? Of course they exist, no one in their right mind doubts that.

You know what doesn't need to be tested?

That the FDA approved Terminal Sterilization Procedure for Test Cyp is effective at rendering a sterile vial of the product.

It has to be validated by every compounding pharmacy that uses it, most commonly by introducing bacteria into the product, then testing it after to ensure bacteria is reduced to 1 part per million or less.

This formula makes just 5 10ml vials of Test-Cyp.

https://www.medisca.net/pdf/shortage-support/en-us/injection/F%20004%20571v2%20Testosterone%20100%20mg%20per%20mL%20Intramuscular%20Injection.pdf

The process and ingredients are essentially the same as a homebrewer or UGL would follow, not some pharma factory with specialized equipment. The pharmacy isn't even required by the FDA to use sterile equipment or ingredients if the last step is Terminal Sterilization. That's how effective it is.

Whether a homebrewer, UGL, or end user performs Terminal Sterilization, there's nothing but upside and greater safety. That's why it's worth exploring. Attending to details like adapting this process so it can be safely replicated in non-lab grade ovens, and to other compounds.

That is what harm reduction looks like.

It starts with curiosity, asking "Could this be better? Safer?", and in this crowd, the willingness to put up with personal attacks and insults from those who take personal offense to the status quo being disturbed.

If anti-harm reduction had a lobbyist, they'd say something like this:



You may think you're building clout by gaining approval within the loudmouth bubble of Declan's little clique, but MESO is dominated by a quiet majority of long term members who are deep thinkers and those with intellectual curiosity who recognize what I'm proposing as valid, and see your baseless criticism for what it is.

I'm going to start a dedicated thread for this in the Steroid forum, and hopefully you'll have the good sense to stick to objective, constructive comments, or say nothing at all.

@Millard

Again more insults and talking in circles and no proof of anything. Not sure why you're tagging the mods into your meth rant to further embarrass yourself.


Can we see your weight-loss journey please? You speak so highly of glps. Let's see!

 

[IronJohnDoe]

@Ghoul have you ever read Alex Lifeson's acceptance speech into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Your recent posts always make me recall his words of wisdom as your posts are very insightful!

Here's the exact quote as I know you appreciate accuracy!

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674x for anyone wondering!

Thanks I was wondering

 

[American]

You're calling me a newbie? You literally joined 5 months ago lmao. You act like you've here 15 years and have been home brewing for years. Bro you are literally a joke....you don't lift, you don't test shit, you dont brew, you just rant and rave but provide nothing but copy and paste. How do you see your actions as harm reduction? It's fear monger and lying.


Call a spade a spade.

I'll be asking you daily for those alleged tests and proof you claim to have. For all those wondering, you'll never see shit from this guy.

 

[American]

You may think you're building clout by gaining approval within the loudmouth bubble of Declan's little clique

The irony of this statement is astounding... You literally are the biggest loud mouth on the forum. You're an expert on everything you've never done once.

 

[iris]

Can we see your weight-loss journey please? You speak so highly of glps. Let's see!

This is wrong and it has nothing to do with the issue he has brought up.
Sterilisation, right?
If you don't care and want to criticise him about it and everything else he says, fine.

But asking this stuff is not good.
He is not asking anyone to show themselves.
I am sure there are many guys here that look incredible but don't feel the need to share their "journey" with anyone.
Why the hell should they, if they are doing it for themselves and not for a stranger's recognition.

BTW, I do not support the relentless glp crusade, when it is not within a certain context and it ends up clogging as many threads as possible.
I also don't agree with his bodybuilder bashing, and I have said that many times.
Wrong place for that kind of thing.
And then the homebrewing criticism. He doesn't like it, he can say so, then shut up.
It's got nothing to do with him.

I don't have an issue with you disagreeing with what he is saying or how he goes about stuff.
I do disagree with a lot of stuff he says.
But this constant show your ass thing is a bit crap.

 

[AnTabolic73]

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

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[American]

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That's how you know it's bullshit

This is wrong and it has nothing to do with the issue he has brought up.
Sterilisation, right?
If you don't care and want to criticise him about it and everything else he says, fine.

But asking this stuff is not good.
He is not asking anyone to show themselves.
I am sure there are many guys here that look incredible but don't feel the need to share their "journey" with anyone.
Why the hell should they, if they are doing it for themselves and not for a stranger's recognition.

BTW, I do not support the relentless glp crusade, when it is not within a certain context and it ends up clogging as many threads as possible.
I also don't agree with his bodybuilder bashing, and I have said that many times.
Wrong place for that kind of thing.
And then the homebrewing criticism. He doesn't like it, he can say so, then shut up.
It's got nothing to do with him.

I don't have an issue with you disagreeing with what he is saying or how he goes about stuff.
I do disagree with a lot of stuff he says.
But this constant show your ass thing is a bit crap.

It has more to do with his outrageous claims and credibility. If you're spending all day making these claims that no one believes, yeah...people will ask for proof. Do you really not want to see what 7 YEARS of weight loss looks like? I'm on the seat of my chair in anticipation of seeing such an astounding journey to better health.

Go on pm and make a claim of being 300 and lean. You're expected to show your outrageous claim. He's the loudest person in the room but now he doesn't want the attention he worked so hard for lol

 

[DECLAN]

This is wrong and it has nothing to do with the issue he has brought up.
Sterilisation, right?
If you don't care and want to criticise him about it and everything else he says, fine.

But asking this stuff is not good.
He is not asking anyone to show themselves.
I am sure there are many guys here that look incredible but don't feel the need to share their "journey" with anyone.
Why the hell should they, if they are doing it for themselves and not for a stranger's recognition.

BTW, I do not support the relentless glp crusade, when it is not within a certain context and it ends up clogging as many threads as possible.
I also don't agree with his bodybuilder bashing, and I have said that many times.
Wrong place for that kind of thing.
And then the homebrewing criticism. He doesn't like it, he can say so, then shut up.
It's got nothing to do with him.

I don't have an issue with you disagreeing with what he is saying or how he goes about stuff.
I do disagree with a lot of stuff he says.
But this constant show your ass thing is a bit crap.

Here’s the summary, he says homebrewers are using unsterile products and by heating it up will make it sterile. Cool beans.

Problem is how does he know that those products are unsterile in the first place? How did he know they became sterile after heating it? Magic? Things he read pharmaceutical manufacturers do?

Narta asks if he used ugl oil and he said he did, i ask if he has Jano test to prove those ugl are unsterile. Nothing again.

See, not even one single evidence posted of any dirty vial of gear or evidence that he ever heated something to sterilize it. It is just a mere suggestion that he wants us homebrewers to do because he says we need to or else in the future we will get sick from it.

We must agree of else we are not for harm reduction. I respect everyone’s opinion but you have to walk the walk not just talk, credibility is all we hold on to around here. It is misinformation to just spout hypotheticals without prior experience and concrete evidence.

 

[iris]

Do you really not want to see what 7 YEARS of weight loss looks like? I'm on the seat of my chair in anticipation of seeing such an astounding journey to better health.

I don't care to see.
Not a bit of it.
He says that's how it went for him and he has written a lot about his personal experience.
It's enough for me.
He has also helped answering questions of many people here that are/were in his situation and have reached out to him.

Go on pm and make a claim of being 300 and lean. You're expected to show your outrageous claim. He's the loudest person in the room but now he doesn't want the attention he worked so hard for lol

He is on Meso.
Whether he is in other places, too, I don't know.
And if those other places work differently from here, so be it.
But this is its own thing.

By all means, argue with him about his "facts" and take issue with him writing off topic stuff here, or about the threads he initiated you don't give a damn about or you think are just bullshit.
But you wanting to expose the way he looks, rather than the crap you think he says, will not make a good argument for you.

 

[iris]

Here’s the summary, he says homebrewers are using unsterile products and by heating it up will make it sterile. Cool beans.

Problem is how does he know that those products are unsterile in the first place? How did he know they became sterile after heating it? Magic? Things he read pharmaceutical manufacturers do?

Narta asks if he used ugl oil and he said he did, i ask if he has Jano test to prove those ugl are unsterile. Nothing again.

See, not even one single evidence posted of any dirty vial of gear or evidence that he ever heated something to sterilize it. It is just a mere suggestion that he wants us homebrewers to do because he says we need to or else in the future we will get sick from it.

We must agree of else we are not for harm reduction. I respect everyone’s opinion but you have to walk the walk not just talk, credibility is all we hold on to around here. It is misinformation to just spout hypotheticals without prior experience and concrete evidence.

I agree with this, wholeheartedly, and thanks for the reply.

It's fair enough he should keep his judgement out of things he is not involved in, especially to do with anyone enjoying homebrewing.
I have always found that pretty unfair and I remember writing you about this, in a message where you thought I had wrongly tagged you.
It wasn't wrong, it was about him but I did not mention his name.
I was annoyed he would keep going on criticising you and everyone else there, when it was none of his business.

One thing is this.
But by asking him to show his weightloss journey or whatever, it all ends up undermining calls for him to be accountable, in relation to the issues you mentioned.

He says he will start a thread in the appropriate forum.
Let's see.

 

[DECLAN]

I agree with this, wholeheartedly, and thanks for the reply.

It's fair enough he should keep his judgement out of things he is not involved in, especially to do with anyone enjoying homebrewing.
I have always found that pretty unfair and I remember writing you about this, in a message where you thought I had wrongly tagged you.
It wasn't wrong, it was about him but I did not mention his name.
I was annoyed he would keep going on criticising you and everyone else there, when it was none of his business.

One thing is this.
But by asking him to show his weightloss journey or whatever, it all ends up undermining calls for him to be accountable, in relation to the issues you mentioned.

He says he will start a thread in the appropriate forum.
Let's see.

I think this is more on the issue of credibility. Would you take fitness advice from an obese person? Would you let a mechanic do your plumbing?

In this anonymous forums, it’s been unspoken but guys with incredible physiques or transformations hold more respect than those who don’t. How can you listen to someone who can’t even get in shape themselves.

Meso is unique for being unmoded now so he gets away with making absurd claims without concrete evidence. It’s the beauty of this place, sometimes its chaos but the freedom for members is also amazing.

 

[fooba]

ghoul probably just using chatgpt

 

[dkswrth]

Tren plus tirz has been the easiest cut of my life. And I agree with what you said to the point I plan on keeping tirz in on my rebound and into the off-season at a very low dose for these exact reasons.

For reeaaalll, I haven't tried tirz with Tren tho it sounds like it'll make shredding EASY with some gh hmmmm...

 

[Qingdao Sigma Chemicals]

Questions about color of tops start to becoming a pain in the ass to my assistants.
For international orders, we number the kits, for domestic orders we have SKU on the boxes.
Customers should be able to identify easily their products using the SKU, and if they have doubts, they can ask about the meaning of the SKU.
Some customers to get extra confirmation, claim they threw the boxes, or the packs have no SKU which is impossible. This add extra work, and wasting time emails over this subject.
From now on you only can ask questions about SKU (domestic) and numbers (international) to identify your multiple items.
If you threw the packaging, or your wive or daughter opened your packs and threw the packaging that's your problem from now on, either find a way to know what it is it or send it for testing.
From now on all questions regarding color of tops will not be answered.
I hope this will be very clear.

 

[Ateam2023]

@Ghoul Post the proof and your testing, or fuck off. Everyone is tired of your baseless meth rants and bullshit.

STFU! your posts are getting old also , i think you've made your gripe quite clear,,,,, or are you just posting to boost your post score lol

 

[gobig2]

Questions about color of tops start to becoming a pain in the ass to my assistants.
For international orders, we number the kits, for domestic orders we have SKU on the boxes.
Customers should be able to identify easily their products using the SKU, and if they have doubts, they can ask about the meaning of the SKU.
Some customers to get extra confirmation, claim they threw the boxes, or the packs have no SKU which is impossible. This add extra work, and wasting time emails over this subject.
From now on you only can ask questions about SKU (domestic) and numbers (international) to identify your multiple items.
If you threw the packaging, or your wive or daughter opened your packs and threw the packaging that's your problem from now on, either find a way to know what it is it or send it for testing.
From now on all questions regarding color of tops will not be answered.
I hope this will be very clear.

should just make all the tops the same color. That would end all the requests.... hahaha

 

[iris]

I think this is more on the issue of credibility. Would you take fitness advice from an obese person? Would you let a mechanic do your plumbing?

Absolutely.
Common sense, too.
But he has never mentioned training, just that he sees a personal trainer, I think.
He has been very active about glps, his weight loss, the flipping fridge freezer, customs stuff, etc.
So, despite the fact you are correct, with regards to this person, specifically, one would not go to him for "credibility" to do with training and aesthetics, because this is something he is not about.

As for anything else he says about sterility, homebrewing, customs seizure or whatever it might be on the day, and he presents it as FACT (not asking questions) the call for credibility is fair.

In this anonymous forums, it’s been unspoken but guys with incredible physiques or transformations hold more respect than those who don’t. How can you listen to someone who can’t even get in shape themselves.

Again, he is not about this.
You are.
You are and have been involved with training and all that is related to it for a long time.
You are very knowledgeable about all this because you have been doing it.
So, this is the right place for you to be and you are right in questioning his motives.

However, I genuinely don't understand why anyone would associate Ghould with training and physique and ask him about it.
No engagement with this stuff, at all.
Did I miss him discussing the circumference of his biceps or why he thinks powerlifting sucks?

Meso is unique for being unmoded now so he gets away with making absurd claims without concrete evidence. It’s the beauty of this place, sometimes its chaos but the freedom for members is also amazing.

Unmoderated it may be but everyone participates in moderating the content, from within.
This is what you are doing by calling for accountability.
But just where it is relevant and I think you have always been fair about it.

 

[American]

ghoul probably just using chatgpt

Why would you need chatgbt when you don't need to sleep, workout, or work? He has infinite free time

 

[Ateam2023]

You're calling me a newbie? You literally joined 5 months ago lmao. You act like you've here 15 years and have been home brewing for years. Bro you are literally a joke....you don't lift, you don't test shit, you dont brew, you just rant and rave but provide nothing but copy and paste. How do you see your actions as harm reduction? It's fear monger and lying.


Call a spade a spade.

I'll be asking you daily for those alleged tests and proof you claim to have. For all those wondering, you'll never see shit from this guy.

STFU!