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[BP_6]

No. Your mail is scanned no matter what.

Yup. A lot of people don't know literally "at least it supposed to happen" ever single package, piece of mail sent through USPS is photographed and if appropriate, scanned. They have a mega database where they keep and store all these photos as well. Used to investigate crimes, like someone sending "anthrax" through the mail.

 

[thecmorgan]

The main thing that has me really curious is the pirateship.com shipping. I don’t believe any normal vendors use them.

A few of the bac water/peptide filters/vial suppliers use pirateship and ship out of FL.

 

[lowbodyfat432]

Is there any chance my HGH could be underdosed? My sides are way less at the same doses with my most recent shipping.

 

[Swolemates365]

Is there any chance my HGH could be underdosed? My sides are way less at the same doses with my most recent shipping.

Or your tolerance is increasing, or you have more electrolytes that calm the sides like hand pain.

 

[lowbodyfat432]

Or your tolerance is increasing, or you have more electrolytes that calm the sides like hand pain.

You make a good point, but ive always needed to fight off mthe sides like water retention with diuretics and electtrlyte balance. Seems like I am fighting a lot less now.

 

[Canuck83]

You make a good point, but ive always needed to fight off mthe sides like water retention with diuretics and electtrlyte balance. Seems like I am fighting a lot less now.

How do you effectively fight those sides off. I always suffer from them with generic hgh even at low dosages.

 

[Swolemates365]

How do you effectively fight those sides off. I always suffer from them with generic hgh even at low dosages.

Taurine (4000mg a day split am/pm) and extra electrolytes from Powerade Zero helps me.

 

[Ghoul]

You make a good point, but ive always needed to fight off mthe sides like water retention with diuretics and electtrlyte balance. Seems like I am fighting a lot less now.

Since this GH has consistently tested good, I'm going on the assumption it's you, not the GH.

What's your protocol look like? Have you had a gap in usage lately?

You may have developed GH antibodies.

Obviously IGF would be a better marker but gotta work with what's in front of us, so feels it is.

GH immunity developing is a thing, even with pharma, and can be tested for:

(Inhibition=how much rHGH neutralized by immune system, ie, immunogenicity)

 

[egruberman]

I wonder about that fasted cardio thing. It used to be recommended for anyone, not even HGH users. Then I think the science came out and proved it calories are equal, doing cardio while fasted makes no difference overall. No idea if that science applies to HGH users or maybe there is a specific reason it would work in this case.

I’ve done a lot of fasted cardio in my life fully believing that it made a difference. At this point, I’m not so sure. GH and other compounds will liberate fatty acids. If one is in a deficit, those will be utilized. Ultimately it comes down to energy balance rather than timing. At least that’s my take on the recent literature.

Fasted cardio can have other benefits. Some people just like it. Others, particularly those interested in endurance can benefit from longer sessions which will stimulate metabolic efficiency. That is, using more fat than glycogen for a given power output at or below lactate threshold.

Again, this is something there’s little science on, but there are a few well regarded cycling coaches that suggest this benefit occurs during a session long enough to induce cardiac decoupling, that is HR climbs while power output remains the same. For me, this was about 3 hours in when I was fit. Probably way longer than anyone here is interested in.

Then there’s the fact that one wakes in a catabolic state. A 25h bolus of protein will stimulate mTOR and bring one out of that catabolic state. Probably a good thing when one is cutting.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I wonder about that fasted cardio thing. It used to be recommended for anyone, not even HGH users. Then I think the science came out and proved it calories are equal, doing cardio while fasted makes no difference overall. No idea if that science applies to HGH users or maybe there is a specific reason it would work in this case.

Fasted cardio has been the subject of numerous studies and consistently shown to be no better than non-fasted cardio.

Imo if thinking the fasted aspect is giving you an edge, so it motivates you to actually do the cardio, cool. Go for it. It's better than not doing cardio.

 

[lowbodyfat432]

Since this GH has consistently tested good, I'm going on the assumption it's you, not the GH.

What's your protocol look like? Have you had a gap in usage lately?

You may have developed GH antibodies.

Obviously IGF would be a better marker but gotta work with what's in front of us, so feels it is.

GH immunity developing is a thing, even with pharma, and can be tested for:

(Inhibition=how much rHGH neutralized by immune system, ie, immunogenicity)

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This is some good info. Thanks for sharing. This genuinely could be the case. I did take a 1 month break. I always like to build up slowly and adjust based on how I feel. I am up to 5iu at the moment but last time I was one 5iu I was experiencing more sides. However, I have reduced my carb intake. What are your thoughts? What can be done about antibodies.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Then there’s the fact that one wakes in a catabolic state. A 25h bolus of protein will stimulate mTOR and bring one out of that catabolic state. Probably a good thing when one is cutting.

Like you said, agree, the main thing for fat loss is energy deficit. Doesn't matter if it's before or after cardio.

I don't like extending the overnight fasting period any longer because my personal goal is primarily muscle gain and muscles like fairly frequent protein-rich meals.

I suspect many opinions on this matter will be biased on where people are in their bulk/cut journey. Myself included.

 

[Ghoul]

This is some good info. Thanks for sharing. This genuinely could be the case. I did take a 1 month break. I always like to build up slowly and adjust based on how I feel. I am up to 5iu at the moment but last time I was one 5iu I was experiencing more sides. However, I have reduced my carb intake. What are your thoughts? What can be done about antibodies.

When this happens under legit medical treatment the approach is to change brands. or take a year long+ break, or both.

Since you can't really change brands, and have more flexibility than a doctor would you have another option.

If it is antibodies, it's possible simply going to a higher dose will make up for the increased immunity.

Increasing the dilution rate so your injection is between .5ml and .8ml can help minimize immune response. The more concentrated the dose is, the stronger immune response will be.

Changing the location of the subq shot will change the lymph node involved and also potentially lower the immune response.

Finally, an IM shot will lower immune response for sure, if you can handle that.

 

[MissedArmDay66]

He was asking why you can’t send a completely blind sample. On AAS I believe you can, but peptides he needs labeled. I believe he will take a blind peptide sample, but the testing is a lot more extensive if he doesn’t know what he’s looking for. It’s why I would imagine it would be expensive.

That is correct. AAS can go anonymous, the rest he needs to know what to look for

 

[lowbodyfat432]

When this happens under legit medical treatment the approach is to change brands. or take a year long+ break, or both.

Since you can't really change brands, and have more flexibility than a doctor would you have another option.

If it is antibodies, it's possible simply going to a higher dose will make up for the increased immunity.

Increasing the dilution rate so your injection is between .5ml and .8ml can help minimize immune response. The more concentrated the dose is, the stronger immune response will be.

Changing the location of the subq shot will change the lymph node involved and also potentially lower the immune response.

Finally, an IM shot will lower immune response for sure, if you can handle that.

Thanks again for this reply. Great to see someone knowledgeable about this. Question. Do you think a keto diet could eliminate the majority of the water retention caused by HGH? I know people who have done this, who experienced low sides after incorporating a keto deto into their lifestyles.

 

[man-of-steel66]

Fasted cardio has been the subject of numerous studies and consistently shown to be no better than non-fasted cardio.

Imo if thinking the fasted aspect is giving you an edge, so it motivates you to actually do the cardio, cool. Go for it. It's better than not doing cardio.

I don't believe any of those studies were done on trained athletes who are using HGH or tesamorelin, or yohimbine. Or even trained athletes on testosterone it would be interesting to see those done

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks again for this reply. Great to see someone knowledgeable about this. Question. Do you think a keto diet could eliminate the majority of the water retention caused by HGH? I know people who have done this, who experienced low sides after incorporating a keto deto into their lifestyles.

Sorry man, I just happen to be hyper-focused on peptide related issues like immunogenicity, I'll have to leave the diet question to someone more knowledgeable on that.

 

[lowbodyfat432]

Sorry man, I just happen to be hyper-focused on peptide related issues like immunogenicity, I'll have to leave the diet question to someone more knowledgeable on that.

I appreciate the honesty. Thanks again for the replies.

 

[Middus]

This may be a dumb question but does using informed delivery put you at anymore “risk” when ordering things of this nature?

Means nothing. Any package showing up at your house, even if not yours appears in your informed delivery. I have it for UPS and Fedex too. Helps a lot with planning deliveries if you travel a lot.

 

[goodyearwing1]

Hey guys, I asked about a month ago when my package was not moving and now I got update of customs detained notice… ideas or anything I can do ? See attached