LGOP528
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To be fair, I think your statement about law and order and being tough on crime has more to do with what you feel is right and wrong not so much what the government says is illegal. I didn’t think it would go this far.
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Astartes
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I wouldn’t disagree. I think your assessment is fair
Sicsemptyran
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Oh believe me, I'm not. I just think there's more to the gears that move the world than the overused tropes of "politicians getting their cut" and "doctors just want to prescribe meds for kickbacks".
This amount of money just isn't a needle mover for anyone other than the shippers, and while the government is always happy to have more money, to act like it is the main reason for this crackdown simply ignores numbers we're talking about and the political environment we're in.
Which, unfortunately, is likely a bad thing for AAS. If it was just a matter of revenue generation, then no one other than those who are likely too poor to smartly be doing AAS in the first place should be worried about supply.
PolarBear88
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what did your tracking look like? was it updating regularly or no?
LGOP528
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I think you are getting me mixed up with the person that made the claim about politicians getting kick backs. Dont get me wrong, the politicians are largely to blame here.
What is it that you think they are cracking down on?
Sicsemptyran
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I think my point is that the amount is trivial to the point that no one benefits from the actual revenue itself, no politician or government employee is getting rich off this, and it will never be a remotely meaningful amount of revenue to the federal government compared to its general revenue (which is in excess of 5 trillion dollars).
There's a few reasons, and none of them are good for AAS users. One is a general "stick it to China" mentality that certainly motivates the current administration and even the last one, and is a bipartisan popular stance to have (myself included!). The one way that some people (and politicians) can actually get rich from this is to simply cause it to be too much of a problem for Chinese importers to compete with certain domestic industries, therefore the goal is really to stop or slow the flow entirely, not just get a measly 10%.
Again, I think we're very much in agreement the government will always try to take more money and be happy about it when presented with an opportunity, but I think other factors are much more powerful here than the taxation piece. If it were just taxation, it would've happened sooner.
It was an LZ number, I was able to track it on parcelsapp from the moment it was received in china and every movement it made all the way here.
MissedArmDay66
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Thanks for the link, all kinds of supplies on there, made an order today
Nice! Glad to hear people receiving shit still. Was yours an LZ tracking number? I ordered January 2nd and still nothing lol. Tracking isn’t even available
LGOP528
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Politicians already got rich over the last 5 years from the pharma and defense contracts it handed out. This is about servicing the debt that is growing at a rapid pace because of high interest rates. Everything else is collateral damage, including our bank accounts. Google the M1 money supply and see what it did between now and 2020. They need everything they can get.
It has been shown that closing this loophole could potentially generate upwards of 100 billion a year. I had to do some interpolation there because I have no idea what will now have to pay import taxes that was previously not. This is only one area where this is happening. The whole DOGE department is looking to save spending wherever.
I am going to stop here. At the end of the day none of this matters and until enough people see that both sides are playing us against each other, nothing will change. I also could be completely wrong.
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Still think this is about “Sticking it to China”?
Yep LZ and it tracked all the way
egruberman
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Nobody in this administration or the last several has demonstrated any concern over the growing national deficit. It is a thing that gets politicized often, usually portending doom and gloom, but the value of the US Dollar is predicated on faith and very little else. US Treasuries being considered one of the most stable assets into which one can put money. I don't think anyone is really certain the extent to which that can be leveraged. This is a topic of debate among many economists with way more knowledge on the topic than I have.
For one, I very seriously doubt that analysis and for two, that'd still represent less than 2% of the annual federal budget.
If they were looking to save spending wherever they would be going after the military industrial complex, specifically, contractors and suppliers in total receive ~6.5% of the total federal budget, while civilian federal employees comprise about 5% of the federal budget in total. If 20% of those are superfluous that saves roughly 1% a drop in the bucket compared to military discretionary spending, which is where DOGE should be focused, but is not.
In this, you are correct.
Not so much. It's about presenting a plausible threat in the trade war against China. Right or wrong, 45 has a rather simplistic view of global trade and seems to feel that the US has fared poorly in this regard. The threats of tariffs seem intended to yield concessions from our "enemies".
Thus far, that seems to have worked, at least to the extent that he's been appeased. Whether or not actual concessions become manifest remains to be seen. With regard to de minimis exceptions, I think the pressure to crack down on it comes from corporations in the US that can't manage to complete with the likes of Temu. What the hell was Bezos doing at the inauguration I wonder?
Petarosus188
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In case you dont get it, they rely on inflation paying thé deficit. And when Its not high enough, they print more money...like Biden did. Whole economy Is one big scam with no real substance.
How much tariff would there be in that painting?
bigMoJo
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Not to cast any aspersions on political view, voting, campaign promises, or who you like/dislike...
Just look at what really happens... the proof of the record itself...
This guy, "45" creates a problem, then solves his own created problem. It's all just for "headlines." "News" stories. It makes no difference to him if he actually accomplished anything or not... as long as he can "say" he did something... that's enough for him.
He's in a fight with Canada, Mexico, and China... who started that fight?
Canada and Mexico haven't done anything they havn't already done before, and the problem with them is now solved... who solved that problem?
China... isn't going to do jack. Now, watch how "45" gets that problem "solved" here shortly.
"I have a problem..." "I solved the problem..." Nothing has changed, nor will it. Only a bunch of suckers are falling for it.
Ghoul
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Thought exercise for you (and anyone else).
If Kamala had been elected, do you think:
-China would have still shut down raws production as they did right after the election?
-Would QSC still be operating? (this one is particularly difficult given we don't know what kind of heat came down on them, but I suspect it's related to the whatever motivated the crackdown on raws)
Curious to hear views on this.
Swolemates365
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no cause we would be on our way to socialism.
I just want to be able to do with and out in my body whatever the f** I want!
LGOP528
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Political discussion is only allowed in the Political Discourse subforum unless directly relevant to AAS or PEDs
No one had to address it until this sitting president on his last term and the last guy printed 5x the amount in existence.
I do not know where the limit is but inflation is directly correlated with the money supply. It also seems to me that we are in a very tough spot because our normal tools to deal with an expanding and contracting economy will not work here. As a side note, I think Powell has done a good job so far.
Someone posted info of a value of 64 billion in 2024 I did some rounding to account for people exploiting the loophole. I have no idea what it would be. I also am not claiming this one thing will pay off our debt. I don’t even know that is what they plan to do with any new tax money. Only time will tell.
I only brought this up to show at least on some level that there is an attempt to cut spending. I was in the military and know firsthand how wasteful they are. Ending all of these proxy wars is another must. The last administration did not even attempt to do this. In fact they hindered negotiations.
I agree this is an area that needs to be addressed but I am not holding my breath.
On which part, being completely wrong? lol I am ok with being completely wrong. I do appreciate the conversation and know this is all speculation.
I do have to somewhat disagree with this. To be transparent about my potential bias, this is from my role in a manufacturing setting. All I will say is they will not be able to realistically tax imports enough to make a difference and these companies absolutely rely on imported goods and materials.
Even if they were able to tax imported goods enough to make companies buy American, there is not enough manufacturing infrastructure to support it. Then the interest rates keep the economy from expanding.
I do not like him or Elon working their way in. Too much conflict of interests and agree it is fishy.
SpaceGhost
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No idea, but we do know he's walked back every threat he's made so far. Why would China be scared?
Swolemates365
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I’m more concerned About QSC coming back and making these orders right and start selling me gear 
again so I can keep making money locally.
again so I can keep making money locally.Similar threads
