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@tracyfromqsc Any plans to stock Tesamorelin and Ipamorelin for the canadian warehouse?
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Do we have a consensus about the type of water for reconstituting hgh? I've saw the jano video saying it doesn't matter if it's sterile/saline/bac water, and it's true that we don't have bac water in europe.
I've only used bac water for all of my peptides till now but since qsc doesn't have it I don't wanna order separately and thinking of buying sterile water from the pharmacy made for injections. I'm sure it will be ok for GH if I use the vial in 6 days, but how about reta if it takes more than 2 weeks? Thanks
I've only used bac water for all of my peptides till now but since qsc doesn't have it I don't wanna order separately and thinking of buying sterile water from the pharmacy made for injections. I'm sure it will be ok for GH if I use the vial in 6 days, but how about reta if it takes more than 2 weeks? Thanks
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Psy-chonaut
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Mate, Learn to DIY.... Real f...ing easy process...
And then you know what kind/quality , water, ba, filter, vials you used.....
Are you dyslexic?
Psy-chonaut
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Maybe i am - or maybe you have a short memory of what you put in your post of your own words....
This quote is what I was referring to....
Fellow European, that is giving you an easy solution to that problem...
That was not my question, you ignored everything else I wrote and made your DIY point about that which is totally unrelated. I said we don't have bac water in europe to imply that bac water is not necessarily needed thus not being used in europe, which was jano's point as well.
I then said I'm not gonna use bac water anymore and go for pharma sterile water due to convenience which will be good if I use up a vial in a relatively short term, and then my question was if sterile water would still be good/safe if I use it for reta which usually takes more than 2 weeks to finish up a vial
And the first question about the consensus of what type of water to use for GH was there for someone to correct me if I'm wrong about any water being good to use, I did not in any shape ask where or how to get/make bac water
BALLISTIC
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And he gave you a logical answer especially with the RETA being multi-dose for an extended period.
DIY...
Relax man, if you don't want answers to what you clearly posted as a question, don't post it. Nobody cares to read your shit when you respond like you did.
Anybody reading that is thinking your inquiring to want an answer.
That's the thing I literally didn't ask that, I can get bac if I want online, but I won't if it's not needed to, which is what I'm actually asking,
You're telling me to make my own bac water when my question is if bac water is really needed, does that sound like a good answer or are both of you lacking basic reading comprehension?
You're telling me to make my own bac water when my question is if bac water is really needed, does that sound like a good answer or are both of you lacking basic reading comprehension?
bananafeet
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It's called bacteriostatic water. That means the amount of bacteria is kept static. It stops new bacterial growth.
Without it 24 hours at room temperature or 48 hours refrigerated. The bacteria WILL inter the vial and they will start to eat and degrade the peptide.
You can make your own bacteriostatic water rather simply. You need water for injection and benzyl alcohol.
If you have ever tried to grow mushrooms you would understand that bacteria is everywhere and it's impossible to stop it no mater how sterile your technique is.
So to answer your question directly : yes if you want to make a multidose vial bacteriostatic water is a necessity.
BALLISTIC
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You asked right here, Dipshit
Once again Dipshit.
Read the top 2. Dipshit
Do you, I refer to the top questions dumb ass.
So the thing is, the one responsible for anything that goes wrong should be the one who takes the loss. In this case it clearly wasn't my fault and obviously I am not the only one. QSC sensing out shitty packed goods is a problem. And I just wanted to warn the people that consider buying from QSC.
I could geht H36 for 100-120 dollar (with reship guarantee) but not EU domestic, which why I ordered with QSC. If I had know that the service is this awful and that Tracy is such a wanker with no morality at all, I wouldn't have done it. That's why I came here.
Tracy told me he would look after the parcel and see if it can be recovered. Which was a lie. What would you think about that?
do your research, your about 10 years behind with this broscience; nothing you said is remotely true or supported by any science; the bacteria doesn't magically enter a vial and bac water is no better at keeping a vial bacteria free than simple saline, and bac water isn't needed if proper sanitation is used when handling the vial
you're so stupid I'm not even gonna bother to answer to your response or continue arguing with you
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bananafeet
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How do you know that there isn't already bacteria inside the vial? Is it perfectly sterile?
Water is one of the best mediums for bacteria to grow.
The Zydus HCG I got came with saline water and said discard the unused portion.
Can you contact them and tell them that they are behind the science? Maybe you can be their lead research scientist.
BALLISTIC
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It's best not, I'm good at hurting Internet babies feelings. Being wrong sucks when it's so easily pointed out.
Benzyl alcohol disrupts bacterial cell membranes, stops ATP generation, inhibits replication and prevents biofilm formation.
So when bacteria enter from air, stopper puncture, syringe contact, they cannot multiply. They die off over time instead of exploding into millions. That tiny amount of benzyl alcohol is the entire magic. It does not sterilize, it prevents bacteria from reproducing. Bacteriostatic water preventing vial contamination is real established medical science, not broscience.
Best wishes cupcake. You're another bright burnt out lightbulb.
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Rido
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Bac water is not needed.
The fill tank on your local toilet should suffice for multi use injection solution
BALLISTIC
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You do know his history correct? Filtered the thread from page 1? It'll tell you everything you needed to know.
It's unfortunate this happened to you. It's happened to everyone like I said. Hard lessons, learned the hard way stick to the memory best. Look at his demeanor in this thread and think if that's someone you'd do business with. Many do, many did, many will, and many won't.
There's people here still waiting to see if he'll clear up orders that never got filled. Meso is one platform. He's going to make money somewhere, so many choose to do business with him still. Years ago Meso would have eaten him alive. All the new people like you perpetuate this behavior so why leave now...
You're even more cognitively challenged than the other guy, is saline water one of the best medius for bacteria to grow?
I don't care what benzyl alcohol does that's not the point, point is bac water is not better than saline for reconstituting vials for keeping a sterile bacteria free medium, and bacteria doesn't magically enter from air into the vial or when you puncture the vial, as I said if you use proper sanitation there s no chance for bacteria to ever enter the vial. It's why bac water is not a standard in the medical industryor even exist outside usa, because is not necessary.
I guess both of you steroid forum gremlins know better than jano or a whole continent of medical practice tho
bananafeet
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You are half right.
Saline is superior. But the medical industry doesn't reconstitute peptides to use over weeks and months...
Saline is NOT bacteriostatic so it's not suitable for multidose vials.
Rido
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At first I thought you were trolling.
IDk what to think now
They have sterile water for injections
They have saline for injections
They have sterile water+BA
They also have saline+BA for multi use.(I buy this cause it hasn't been marked up for cost)
bananafeet
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"The decision between normal saline and bacteriostatic saline hinges on their fundamental differences, particularly the presence of a preservative and their intended use. Normal saline, being preservative-free, is typically provided in larger volumes for single-use applications such as extensive intravenous fluid replacement or large-scale wound irrigation. Its rapid use after opening is necessary to maintain sterility, as it lacks agents to prevent microbial growth. This makes normal saline the preferred choice for situations requiring large volumes or direct administration into the bloodstream where preservatives are undesirable.
Bacteriostatic saline, with its benzyl alcohol preservative, is designed for multiple withdrawals from a single vial, making it economical for diluting medications that are administered in small, repeated doses. The preservative allows the vial to be accessed multiple times over a period, often up to 28 days, provided aseptic techniques are followed. However, the benzyl alcohol in bacteriostatic saline makes it unsuitable for certain applications and populations, most notably neonates and infants. Benzyl alcohol can be toxic to newborns, potentially leading to severe metabolic acidosis, respiratory distress, and even death, a condition sometimes referred to as “gasping syndrome.” Therefore, normal saline is mandated for use in neonates when a saline solution is required for flushing intravascular catheters or preparing medications.
Important Considerations for Use
Proper handling and storage are important for both normal and bacteriostatic saline to ensure safety and efficacy. Normal saline, without preservatives, should generally be used immediately after opening, especially for intravenous applications, and any unused portion should be discarded promptly to avoid contamination.
For bacteriostatic saline, the presence of benzyl alcohol allows for multi-dose use, typically up to 28 days after the first puncture. The vial must be labeled with the opening date and stored at room temperature (20-25°C or 68-77°F).
General guidelines for both types of saline include checking expiration dates before use, inspecting the solution for clarity and absence of particulate matter, and always maintaining aseptic technique during preparation and administration."
Source: Bacteriostatic Saline vs Normal Saline: Key Differences
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