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QSC Tren Ace Long Term Storage
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Lil_swole87
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Post up a pic bro. let us see what you got going on
Ghoul
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It's toast. If you can visually see the stopper degrading it's not just what you can see that's a hazard, but the leachable chemicals from the butyl rubber. It not like some natural rubber from a tree, it's closer to a tire, made from a petrochemical soup of toxic shit.
It seems QSC uses the absolute lowest grade of stopper. In the future, for long term storage it would be better to transfer into a sterile vial with a premium coated long-life stopper that will keep for a minimum of 10 years without any breakdown or leaching.
It seems QSC uses the absolute lowest grade of stopper. In the future, for long term storage it would be better to transfer into a sterile vial with a premium coated long-life stopper that will keep for a minimum of 10 years without any breakdown or leaching.
ineffectual
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Do you get those at dollar tree?
readalot
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Store those vials upright folks.
www.westpharma.com
rubber bromobutyl versus chlorobutyl whats the difference
The answer is – it depends. Butyl rubber, derived synthetically from petrochemicals, is a copolymer of isobutylene, and to a smaller extent, isoprene. Subsequent halogenation results in a halobutyl rubber – typically bromobutyl or chlorobutyl.
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Ghoul
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Since you asked. Here's the absolute highest grade of stopper, with the longest life, and ability to prevent leaching of chemicals by oils (MCT is very aggressive and will break down rubber fairly quickly), and solvents like Benzyl Benzoate.
This stopper also creates the fewest particles, if you prefer not to inject this into your body:
View: https://youtu.be/iM2ytOasR40
novapure elastomeric rubber vial stoppers
Discover NovaPure® Stoppers from West Pharma - high-quality vial containment solutions for pharmaceuticals. Reliable, innovative design for your drug packaging needs.
About $1.50 each. Perhaps some "harm reduction" minded, motivated person will start a group buy to reach the minimum quantity necessary to buy them:
20mm NovaPure® Chlorobutyl Serum Rubber Stoppers – West
West Pharmaceutical Services manufactures 20mm NovaPure® Chlorobutyl stoppers made from 4432/50 laminated with FluroTec® barrier film to help reduce & leachables.
ineffectual
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Thank you
Spaceman Spiff
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Ghoul
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Surprised some enterprising vendor hasn't introduced an "extended shelf life" line, of at least test.
Coated stopper, enhanced glass (like Corning Valor), terminal sterilization (ie heated in the vial for absolute sterility), $3 more in materials and easily charge an extra $10/$20 per vial. That's nothing for the preppers here who've commented trying to figure out how to get through the apocalypse without coming off TRT.
These guys spend thousands on ammo, dried food, generators, medication, water purification systems. Another $150-200 for a kit is nothing.
Hell, I'd buy a kit or two of Test Cyp 250 packaged like that as cheap insurance.
Someone should take a poll for interest, take preorders...do it if it meets the minimum threshold to make it worthwhile.
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readalot
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Ghoul
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I figured a mutual appreciation society was inevitable.
readalot
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We still gotta stay impartial for the good of Meso. But for the moment, let's hug it out.
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Astartes
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I’ll admit. I just checked my home brew stash. Amazon vials and stoppers. Not a single issue. No problems once I start stabbing…1-3 years…. but I store them in a cool dry place…
…. Top Up…
…. Top Up…
jdubzzz44
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When you left and he started posted some people were thinking it was you lol
For anyone who wants to refilter into good vials
20 ML Amber Glass Sterile Vial (25 Pack) | Sterile Vial - Quality Pharmaceutical Vials You Can Trust - Nexus Pharmaceuticals Store
20 ML Amber Glass Sterile Vial (25 Pack) | Sterile Vial - Quality Pharmaceutical Vials You Can Trust - Nexus Pharmaceuticals Store This product is a pre-assembled amber glass sterilized vial with a stopper, aluminum crimp seal, and flip-top cap. It is made of pyrogen-free borosilicate glass...
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Sterile vials with FluroTec coated stoppers
Piercing a needle through these you can tell it feels like the strength of 1000 cheap stoppers
Thank you @Ghoul for the recommendation a while back
Ghoul
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Not trying to argue, but visual indications of contamination are only present when things get *really* bad. It's become clear in recent years that all kinds of contaminants are ending up in injectables from the stopper, and believe it or not, the glass, which is not inert.
The 2024 study linked to below demonstrates science is just starting to get a handle on this problem, trying to establish a testing protocol and establishing limits of contaminants. There have been incidents of contaminants from stoppers being identified as the cause of serious, even deadly reactions.
What we do have are materials that avoid this problem entirely. Coated stoppers (mentioned in the report) and glass lined with a quartz like coating to prevent boron and other chemicals from migrating into the liquid, as well as the steady delamination that fills the vial with glass shards.
If this sounds like far out tinfoil hat stuff, I can assure you it's part of mainstream pharmaceutical science now.
About 60% of US hospitals enacted policies requiring filtration of injectables in intensive care units. Those that have, reduced stays by an average of 1 day, because of a reduction in inflammation, organ failure, and other previously unexplained complications.
I know this isn't of interest to everyone, but some are interested in minimizing as much potential harm as possible, especially knowing small reductions over a long period can make a big difference. Most homebrewers say they do it because they don't trust UGLs to make safe products, so this is a step in that direction.
EXPLORING EXTRACTABLE AND LEACHABLE TESTING STRATEGIES FOR PARENTERALS - ONdrugDelivery
Antonio Scatena, Scott Toth and Kyle Chenevert discuss the regulatory landscape regarding extractables and leachables for parenteral drugs and provide guidance on implementing a successful testing approach. Techniques and results interpretation are discussed, emphasising practical advice for...
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narta
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Long term storage you need on of the following:
a) THIC butyl rubber for lab use
or
b)silicone stopper
a) THIC butyl rubber for lab use
or
b)silicone stopper
those ks-tek sterile vials have neither right? so for long term storage gotta find something else?
Ghoul
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Benzyl benzoate will dissolve silicone.
jehbco.com.au
Uncoated rubber has all the problems mentioned above.
There is PTFE coated silicon that should work well., but the slightest imperfection in the coating and the silicon will degrade.
Chemical Compatibility Chart | Applications| Jehbco Silicones
Silicone rubber has excellent chemical compatibility with a wide range of materials, often providing and advantage over other materials with similar elastomeric properties. In particular, silicone displays outstanding chemical compatibility with water, aqueous and most chemically polar substances.
jehbco.com.au
Uncoated rubber has all the problems mentioned above.
There is PTFE coated silicon that should work well., but the slightest imperfection in the coating and the silicon will degrade.
butyl rubber has good Good Suitability for both thoBenzyl benzoate will dissolve silicone.
Chemical Compatibility Chart | Applications| Jehbco Silicones
Silicone rubber has excellent chemical compatibility with a wide range of materials, often providing and advantage over other materials with similar elastomeric properties. In particular, silicone displays outstanding chemical compatibility with water, aqueous and most chemically polar substances.
Uncoated rubber has all the problems mentioned above.
There is PTFE coated silicon that should work well., but the slightest imperfection in the coating and the silicon will degrade.
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