question for all the Christians

[jarz]

TheTruth, just because all our sins are forgiven doesnt give us the right to go out and purposely sin over and over again.

Jarz, I dont care what Webster says about joy. The Bible has a different definition for it, which is the one I was referring to. I wasnt saying that happiness is a bad thing or should be avoided.

One last thing before I get off my soap box.... I speak English. If I do not know the true meaning of a word, I go to the DICTIONARY, not the Bible.

The Bible has been translated several times before we got to it. Alot of meaning is lost in translation sometimes. I would not say 'the Bible says blah blah blah emphatically.' Not unless you read the ancient language it was first written in.
Just my opinion.

peace

 

[TheTruth]

Im not saying you will go to hell. What I am saying is if you know its wrong yet you continue to do it, do you think you will go unscathed? You will have to answer for you indiscretions. I am not trying to judge you, merely point out a flaw in your thought process. No offense intended.

No offense taken. This is actually quite entertaining. To answer your question. No I do not think i will go unscathed. I agree with you on that. I will probably have fewer rewards in heaven than some, but at the same time i am also doing many things that are good through his eyes. Anyway, thanks to all you good bro's for being bold enough to express your thoughts on this thread!!

 

[Bob Smith]

Edit - looks like you are right bob, the cached copy on the palm shows that the statement was in there.

Still, what is the significance of "EQ/tren isnt" in that statement?

Im not sure what he was really arguing. Maybe that its ok to use test but not EQ or tren since they are synthetic hormones/not derived from a natural hormone. Who knows. Its Joe and he's from NYC, who can ever figure out what they are talking about?

 

[Bob Smith]

One last thing before I get off my soap box.... I speak English. If I do not know the true meaning of a word, I go to the DICTIONARY, not the Bible.

The Bible has been translated several times before we got to it. Alot of meaning is lost in translation sometimes. I would not say 'the Bible says blah blah blah emphatically.' Not unless you read the ancient language it was first written in.
Just my opinion.

peace

You ignore Biblical definitions because we dont read Greek, but you will turn to a man-made book that tries to say what a word meaning is. That sounds at least as silly. The translation arguement is pretty weak.

How are you supposed to know what the Bible means then? Is it all hogwash because its not in its original language? Is all meaning lost because we dont read Greek or Latin? If we are talking about the Biblical meaning of a term, then I am going to turn towards the Bible and its context rather than a dictionary.

 

[Mark Kerr]

Just because AAS shut you down, does not mean it is unhealthy. Why? Because the shut-down is temporary. I compare it to vaccinees. Vacciness make you sick initially, but a long-term benefit is the result. After Clomid or Nolvadex, you have (depending on the AAS used) more muscle mass, lower bodyfat %, a sense of well being, greater collagen synthesis and an overall improvement of life. I dont see where "destroying the temple" comes into play...

Also, Nolvadex and Clomid are not illegal either. In my great state of Texas, I am legally allowed to import up to a 30 day supply of a non-controlled drug without a prescription.

Again, many of the non-Christians here are COMPLETELY missing the point! Forgiveness is not a cop-out that Christians use. For the Jesus, there is a HUGE difference between being a good person that makes mistakes (thus asking for forgiveness) and someone who intentionally goes out to do evil and asks for forgiveness as a cop-out. What is the difference? THE HEART! Jesus looks into one's heart to know whether they are genuinely trying to be a good person, or just trying to be evil. As I said before, you are looking at it too legalistically. You are forgetting that Christ sees into man's hearts. Therefore, someone who goes around purposely commiting evil and asks for forgiveness DOES NOT recieve it. Do you guys really think someone can trick an omniscient and omnipotent God into THINKING you actually want forgiveness, but in actually just want to commit evil and get away with it? C'mon people, think outside of the box!

 

[jarz]

You ignore Biblical definitions because we dont read Greek, but you will turn to a man-made book that tries to say what a word meaning is. That sounds at least as silly. The translation arguement is pretty weak.

How are you supposed to know what the Bible means then? Is it all hogwash because its not in its original language? Is all meaning lost because we dont read Greek or Latin? If we are talking about the Biblical meaning of a term, then I am going to turn towards the Bible and its context rather than a dictionary.

It was originally written in Hebrew, not Greek. I do know some Hebrew and have studied some , not all, of the Bible in its original language. This is how I can justify not depending on the Bible in its current state of translation for definition of a word.

You dont know any other languages than English I am taking it? Otherwise you would not make an ignorant statement such as 'the translation argument is pretty weak'. It is by no means weak.

Do you know that the story of Adam and Eve is not about a man and a woman, rather mankind and humanity? True story.

 

[garyzilla]

It was originally written in Hebrew, not Greek. I do know some Hebrew and have studied some , not all, of the Bible in its original language. This is how I can justify not depending on the Bible in its current state of translation for definition of a word.

You dont know any other languages than English I am taking it? Otherwise you would not make an ignorant statement such as 'the translation argument is pretty weak'. It is by no means weak.

Do you know that the story of Adam and Eve is not about a man and a woman, rather mankind and humanity? True story.

Just for your info. The OT was written in Hebrew, and the NT Greek!

 

[Hogg]

Im not sure what he was really arguing. Maybe that its ok to use test but not EQ or tren since they are synthetic hormones/not derived from a natural hormone. Who knows. Its Joe and he's from NYC, who can ever figure out what they are talking about?

Yeah, and that is exactly what I was thinking when I read it but the caveat there was, I overlooked the part that said "test will shut you down" so I immediately asked myself "What the hell is he thinking?" However, I dont see the argument that he was trying to make. I dont understand what the hcg/clomid statement had to do with it either. For that matter, if one has reduced T levels and replenishes his hormonal state to that of an adolescent, is that 'hurting the temple too'? I dunno....

 

[Bob Smith]

First, the Bible was written in more than just Hebrew.

Yes, the translation arguement is rather weak.

I know a small amount of spanish and sign language.

 

[jarz]

Just for your info. The OT was written in Hebrew, and the NT Greek!

I am speaking of the Old Testiment.

I did not know the New Testiment was in Greek, thank you for informing me.

 

[Bob Smith]

Yeah, and that is exactly what I was thinking when I read it but the caveat there was, I overlooked the part that said "test will shut you down" so I immediately asked myself "What the hell is he thinking?" However, I dont see the argument that he was trying to make. I dont understand what the hcg/clomid statement had to do with it either. For that matter, if one has reduced T levels and replenishes his hormonal state to that of an adolescent, is that 'hurting the temple too'? I dunno....

Maybe he was saying that even though you get shut down, you can use clo/nolva/hcg to restore function to normal, thus its really not harmful. I really dont know and am done trying to translate a NYers writing! Stinkin downstaters!

Hows things out West, my friend?

 

[Hogg]

Hows things out West, my friend?

Its actually a gloomy day out here. And you??

 

[jarz]

First, the Bible was written in more than just Hebrew.

Yes, the translation arguement is rather weak.

I know a small amount of spanish and sign language.

1) I already know, thank you just the same.

2) Please explain how you can justify using that statement.

3) Like I said, you dont know any other languages other than English. Can you read Spanish fluently? Speak it fluently? If you have never had to translate another language then you have no idea how meanings can be lost in translation.
Flipping the bird doesnt count as sign language! j/k

Your arguement is invalid but thanks for playing.

 

[Bob Smith]

Its actually a gloomy day out here. And you??

Sunny and high 60s, a gorgeous day! Work is picking up for me, which is encouraging.

 

[Bob Smith]

1) I already know, thank you just the same.

2) Please explain how you can justify using that statement.

3) Like I said, you dont know any other languages other than English. Can you read Spanish fluently? Speak it fluently? If you have never had to translate another language then you have no idea how meanings can be lost in translation.
Flipping the bird doesnt count as sign language! j/k

Your arguement is invalid but thanks for playing.

I actually dont know any of the vulgar signs, yet.

What about translations of the Greek philosophers, Hitler's Mein Kompf, or any other work done in a non-English language? Are they bogus, too, because meaning could be lost in translation? I might possibly agree with you if there was only one English translation of the Bible. But theres not, theres at least 20 or 30. I have roughly 25 on my computer, so Im sure that there are dozens more available. If you look at a single translation, then sure, maybe a word might not translate exactly into English. But if you look at 2, 3, or 10 other versions, then I think you will get a pretty darn accurate look into what the passage means.

If you say that English versions of the Bible shouldnt be read literally or arent accurate, then you are basically saying that about a billion people are following false teachings.

 

[Hogg]

Sunny and high 60s, a gorgeous day! Work is picking up for me, which is encouraging.

LOL....seems things are going well for you.

I had my hip set yesterday and the darn thing is still painful....it kept me awake all night last night hence my bad mood

On the other hand, the market is doing well and I made quite a bit of cash in the past two days. I guess I shouldnt complain.

 

[Bob Smith]

LOL....seems things are going well for you.

I had my hip set yesterday and the darn thing is still painful....it kept me awake all night last night hence my bad mood

On the other hand, the market is doing well and I made quite a bit of cash in the past two days. I guess I shouldnt complain.

Glad to hear of your continued market success. How bout I wire you some money?

Overall things are going well for me. Work is picking up, Im adding/expanding new accounts, getting more exposure, and hopefully will be sent to the next live UFC event in June. Unfortunately, Jewel's work has taken a downturn, so shes been very frustrated lately.

 

[joe shmoe]

ok, let me try and clear up the confusion.

my statement about test, and EQ/tren. i just didnt want to hear the excuse that test is a naturally occuring hormone and therefore shouldnt be wrong to take as a christian. most of us also use tren and EQ...not naturally occuring hormones in humans. thereby contaminating the "temple" that my co-workers spoke of. and yes, hCG and clomid will bring you back to normal, but you wouldnt need these things if you didnt use AAS in the first place.

hey bob...valiant effort on trying to figure out what i meant. two thumbs up to you brother . sorry, i should've been more specific.

as for tha vaccine story...well if someone gets sick by no fault of their own, then yes, a vaccine is needed even though it make you sick before it makes you better.

lets try this again:
MY INTENTION OF THIS THREAD IS NOT TO ARGUE RELIGION, GOD, OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT IS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HOW DO CHRISTIANS JUSTIFY, TO THEMSELVES, USING AAS. IF YOU FEEL YOU DONT NEED TO JUSTIFY IT...FINE. GOOD FOR YOU. I'M JUST AN INQUIRING(nosey) MIND THAT ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION. JEEEZE...its not easy asking simple questions anymore .

have a nice day

 

[Southernjuice]

now let me get something straight from the get go.....this is just out of curiosity. not a flame or a judgement on anyone.

OK, having said that..if you guys consider yourselves christians, how can you be using AAS? its illegal....you're breaking the law. and please dont give a simple answer like "well those are mans laws, not Gods laws". again, i'm just trying to get into your heads.

have a nice day

Becoming a Christian takes a moment of faith....NOT a lifetime of deeds.None of us are sinless...not one. And another tidbit, no sin is lesser are greater than any other sin. Questioning someones Christianity is a sin mentioned in the Bible...noone knows what's in the heart between a man and the LORD. Don't misunderstand my post i do think it is a sin to use aas.However we will NEVER be sinless on this earth and Jesus knows that....that was the whole reason behind him coming to this earth in the flesh and paving a way for us to be with him one day.

 

[eleven11]

Do I consider myself a chirstian, If believing in christ and that he's the son of god then YES. Am I a saint, NO. Do I do AAS, Yes. And I don't feel there's a damn thing wrong with it either. Just because a bunch of morons in our gov. can't keep there noses out of my personal life doesn't make it a sin IN MY EYES. There are so many bull shit laws on the books today that you can't walk out the door without breaking one, does that make me a sinner, I'll let God decide, not man.
One more thing I don't get to caught up with everything in the bible, it's a book of stories written by men, and there interpitation of the word of God. I try to live a good life, I make an honest living and I have a nice family, and people that know me know I'd give them the shirt off my back. As far as God and everything else I think we're just kidding our selves if we really think WE know whats going on...........11