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[ICD-HardThings]

I’ve personally never seen any blood work to prove that it does, the only real way to tell would be to have the same person run the same amount of test on 2 different cycles and front load on one and not the other and have bloods pulled at week 4.

Just to find out for my own personal knowledge I won't frontload when I come off this next cruise and I'll post with bloods both ways. Then we'll have a compare and contrast. It'll probably be late September or October.

 

[picholas]

I couldn't say if it was effective one way or the other. What I have read is because of homeostasis it will make gains less and slower on the end of a cycle. I can say I hit a plateau and up my injection to move through it.

Only when front loading I am assuming -- regarding your body trying to reach homeostasis and hitting a plateau (towards the end of a cycle)?

 

[Shyster]

@kendallkmw Looks like we on same blast n cruise schedule

 

[Roger rabbit]

I couldn't say if it was effective one way or the other. What I have read is because of homeostasis it will make gains less and slower on the end of a cycle. I can say I hit a plateau and up my injection to move through it.

Myostatin becomes a even more of a bitch when front loading.

Anything you do has a equal and opposite reaction as you experience.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Only when front loading I am assuming -- regarding your body trying to reach homeostasis and hitting a plateau (towards the end of a cycle)?

No, on longer cycles are week 8 -9 is when myostatin typically starts to catch up. This is why you see many say I’m ready to end cycle at my 12 week mark because I’m plateauing.

Around the week 8-9 it’s best to add a oral, a compound or up the dosage a little to try to keep outpacing the myostatin.

It’s why I don’t understand people using orals at he beginning of a longer cycle. It really makes zero sense.

 

[ICD-HardThings]

No, on longer cycles are week 8 -9 is when myostatin typically starts to catch up. This is why you see many say I’m ready to end cycle at my 12 week mark because I’m plateauing.

Around the week 8-9 it’s best to add a oral, a compound or up the dosage a little to try to keep outpacing the myostatin.

It’s why I don’t understand people using orals at he beginning of a longer cycle. It really makes zero sense.

I threw in Tren and upped the Test at the start of week 8. Running it like that for 6 weeks and then cruising.

 

[Oldschool]

Just my own curiosity, would that give the same results as being 6 weeks in

(Never front loaded before)

Why would they do it if it gave the same damn results? In the name of bro science?

 

[Roger rabbit]

Just my own curiosity, would that give the same results as being 6 weeks in

(Never front loaded before)

Imo front loading is simply a waste of product. So you “possibly” get a little stable earlier by maybe one week but at double the product. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

We can even break it down as to. Use double the product at beginning, then myostatin creeps up and you have to add in more gear or up the dosage even further... so you are essentially imo using almost 3x the gear for how much of an advantage? Not enough imo to justify the cost.

 

[bolder]

Imo front loading is simply a waste of product. So you “possibly” get a little stable earlier by maybe one week but at double the product. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

We can even break it down as to. Use double the product at beginning, then myostatin creeps up and you have to add in more gear or up the dosage even further... so you are essentially imo using almost 3x the gear for how much of an advantage? Not enough imo to justify the cost.

100% agree with you here. I’ve always thought front loading was a waste. Imo, I don’t think it even “hits” you faster by doing this.
I’ve done front loading once and couldn’t tell a difference except using and extra vial than normal lol.
Everyone is different ig, so to each their own.

 

[Steve84]

No, on longer cycles are week 8 -9 is when myostatin typically starts to catch up. This is why you see many say I’m ready to end cycle at my 12 week mark because I’m plateauing.

Around the week 8-9 it’s best to add a oral, a compound or up the dosage a little to try to keep outpacing the myostatin.

It’s why I don’t understand people using orals at he beginning of a longer cycle. It really makes zero sense.

That's why in some ways with oral I'll run a kick start like Anavar for 3-4 weeks. Then break for 4 weeks and then run the good oral like anadrol or something for a final 4.
Depending on my cycle length/time/plan of the blast.

 

[Roger rabbit]

That's why in some ways with oral I'll run a kick start like Anavar for 3-4 weeks. Then break for 4 weeks and then run the good oral like anadrol or something for a final 4.
Depending on my cycle length/time/plan of the blast.

But what’s the point? You are just wasting the anavar.

What does the “kick start” provide?


The only time a oral at front makes sense would be a short 8 week cycle.

 

[heavylifter87]

Yea what does this bill Roberts guy know what a clown !

How Does Frontloading Improve a Steroid Cycle?

And this other guy William llewellyn that wrote in his book about frontloading, what a loser and a fraud ! These guys don’t know shit

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Yea what does this bill Roberts guy know what a clown !

How Does Frontloading Improve a Steroid Cycle?

And this other guy William llewellyn that wrote in his book about frontloading, what a loser and a fraud ! These guys don’t know shit

William Llewellyn IS a fraud though. Any one of us can cut and paste steroid information into a book. He didn’t DO any of the science, he just compiled the material into a handy desktop reference that we all have a look at from time to time. A lot of the information he incorporates into his book is outdated even despite being in its 11th(?) 12th(?) edition.

Front loading is an old school broscience technique. Introducing a spike at the beginning doesn’t give you significantly faster STABLE levels.

 

[picholas]

@BigBaldBeardGuy
@Roger rabbit
@bolder

I always was under the impression a Test Prop kickstart would make sense if anything VS front loading or an oral kickstart.

 

[SauceBoss]

Then u still have to wait for a long ester to kick in .. I would front load 1000mg test long ester first couple days and boom I'm done

 

[RYDER80]

@RandRlabs - email sent.

 

[picholas]

Then u still have to wait for a long ester to kick in .. I would front load 1000mg test long ester first couple days and boom I'm done

If you did 250mg of Test E/C @ 2x a week + 100mg of Test Prop EOD for the first 4 weeks the longer ester Test would be kicking in right when you stop the Test Prop.

 

[SauceBoss]

That's a lot of pinning and time to wait .. frontload double your dose first day and done

 

[SauceBoss]

It's all user preference tho

 

[Mac37601]

Status trial of randr's gear so far anyone?