Readalots Enhanced Testing

[iris]

I think we'd need some additional polling designed with appropriate statistical power before any meaningful conclusions could be made. Not clear to me with so many apparently on the sidelines. Clearly some vocal folks on both sides currently.

Agree.
I didn't mean to make assumptions just because.
It was merely based on what I saw.
It is true that the voices against often tend to be the loudest.
But yes, numbers at hand always paint the best picture.

I'll continue on with the mission regardless of its perceived popularity since I believe it is the right thing to do and that folks deserve another option. Some folks have spoken out and agree.

Of course.
The people who do want to have access to this data and are willing to invest in it should be allowed to do so.

You don't want me at the podium.

Absolutely wrong.
You are the figurehead for this and so you should continue being its representative.
I have never thought otherwise.
But gathering others' enthusiasm and interest will help you, a lot.

I wish you good luck and all the best with it.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

That will happen when OP stops spamming the rest of the forum with his crusade and his negative opinion on anything that doesn't align with his imaginary authority over what is acceptable or not over ugl produced and distributed gear, which he never purchased or has any intention to purchase, per his statement

If @readalot could stop being an a******, he would likely get some additional support. Unfortunately, it seems like it's in his DNA. He should take people skill lessons from @Dirthand.

 

[Liter O' Test]

If @readalot could stop being an a******, he would likely get some additional support. Unfortunately, it seems like it's in his DNA. He should take people skill lessons from @Dirthand.

"here to teach and learn"

how pretentious of a username.

How is @readalot an asshole?

I think you should reevaluate how you view strangers on the internet and your imaginary relationships with them.

This isn't facebook

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

"here to teach and learn"

how pretentious of a username.

How is @readalot an asshole?

I think you should reevaluate how you view strangers on the internet and your imaginary relationships with them.

This isn't facebook

Are you blind or just ignorant? Regardless +1 to IGNORE. Thankfully, I only now have to see the responses of other people to you, and your thumbs down.

 

[Zebedee]

If @readalot could stop being an a******, he would likely get some additional support. Unfortunately, it seems like it's in his DNA. He should take people skill lessons from @Dirthand.

That’s probably true to a degree at least, as much of the opposition to his cause is based on others opinions of his personality (@readalot - I’m not calling you an arsehole myself here)

But at the end of the day, people can’t really claim to support harm reduction when they’re also dead set against this further testing just (or at least primarily) because they dislike the guy advocating for it.

Eg there’s someone on Meso I despise (no prizes for correct guesses!), but I don’t feel it necessary to attack him when he posts stuff that does further harm reduction. I’ve even liked one or two of the cunt’s posts before when they’ve been beneficial towards harm reduction.

 

[Liter O' Test]

But that's it.
Most people have not been supportive of this and have been vocal in their opposition to your "spamming" threads.
Narta and Spiff were deffo not the only ones saying that but they were amongst the few that articulated their opposition, unlike many others that just swore at you or came here to call you bubble boy.

I told you, privately, that running a poll to gauge interest amongst member was something I thought should have been done, if only to stop the constant pushback you were having, which created an unpleasant environment for everybody.
This topic has been very divisive.

I appreciated everyone's input in this.
It has changed and/or informed my thinking about it.
But yes, there has only been a handful of people who have given it their time, whether in favour or against.

You started a poll asking people why they are here, why they have joined.
I liked the idea and it is a shame more have not responded, yet.
Maybe needs a bump.

But a poll about your testing proposal would have probably been more significant, for your purposes.
You need to bring people together, for this to be successful and popular.
Regardless, you being praised for engaging with sources on your own and managing to get them involved was certainly fair.

Thanks for the reply.

you are totally off on this,

"most people have not been supportive of this"

well that is exactly the intention of the source shills that are vulgar and emotional towards other users and are always fighting testing. To make you believe that it is an unpopular idea.

So the anti-readalot propaganda campaign has been effective on you and has made you question your own beliefs and even implanting doubt on readalots mission, despite the SITE OWNERS EXPLICIT WORDS.

because the people who readalot causes the most bother for are the vendors, and really are the only people effected and the most angry. There are a few lonely people that have formed parasocial relationships with other users and naively latch onto an imaginary idea of who they might be , and strangely side with them against their own best interest, and the interest of their fellow gear user.

A poll isn't needed, this isn't a democracy, we don't need to change peoples minds, the people that post the most against testing are clearly the people who additional testing would effect the most negatively.

Like a kid saying their room is clean, but has the door closed.
Then you say, "ok I'm going in and checking"
the kid says "OK OK, wait just one second"
you hear the kid scrambling inside
five minutes later, he proudly opens the door,
"SEE its clean! I wasn't lying!"
Then you see the closet door is shut
"did you stuff everything in the closet?"
"No its clean its clean, you dont have to look"



To lazily quote a shill here
"the average gear user buys some vials a few times a year and fucks off"

the testing is for this guy. The consumer that doesn't have the time or aptitude to look into this stuff much less push for it on a forum. We can't let a handful of chinese shills and their sycophants discourage us from getting the quality standards raised for thousands of people and many thousands more in the future.

The whole point of this forum is to talk about enhanced testing, vendor practices which is harm reduction, not to have werid circle jerks in source threads , if people want to do this, then go to the off-topics, make some friends in real life, go on facebook, get a hobby, etc.
instead of trying to clique up with obvious shills in source threads to feel included.

 

[Zebedee]

There are a few lonely people that have formed parasocial relationships with other users and naively latch onto an imaginary idea of who they might be , and strangely side with them against their own best interest, and the interest of their fellow gear user.

Aye maté & it’s just too fucking weird for me to get my head around.

 

[narta]

You would all be surprised how fast this argument will die if the enhanced testing discussion is kept within this thread and the database one.

If the spamming on vendors threads and every other gear related thread stop, I am 101% certain, the name calling, the back and forth and all the shenanigans between the ET advocates and the rest of us will go to zero.

@readalot has resorted to name calling and abusive posts on vendor threads because they clearly told him they are not interested to participate and to fak off, to which sentiment alot of members agree. If he and the rest of you start exchanging your ideas, news and whatnot, in here, we can all get along.

 

[Liter O' Test]

You would all be surprised how fast this argument will die if the enhanced testing discussion is kept within this thread and the database one.

So now you are saying to keep TESTING out of source threads.
To keep harm reduction out of source threads.

totally not a shill huh, totally normal consumer behavior.

Also, why do you want enhanced testing to die?

@readalot has resorted to name calling and abusive posts

pretty ironic coming from you, someone so vulgar you have been temporary banned for it and lost "well known member" tag.

on vendor threads because they clearly told him they are not interested to participate and to fak off, to which sentiment alot of members agree.

Keep pushing the false consensus chinaman.

Also, "they clearly told him they are not interested" , this is so obvious you are involved with the sources.

If he and the rest of you start exchanging your ideas, news and whatnot, in here, we can all get along.

how transparent.


So you want the idea of additional testing to die

 

[iris]

Well, glad that, after weeks of Readalot's starting "campaining" about testing on Meso, you have found a moment to deploy some words about his project.
I am sure you were otherwise busy and only manage to pay attention now.

You are always quite good at slinging stuff at people, often taking what they write out of context.
I give you that.
Let's hope you will take your skills and put them to good use for enhanced testing not only on this thread with a couple of posts, but all over the sources threads, where it is needed.

So the anti-readalot propaganda campaign has been effective on you and has made you question your own beliefs and even implanting doubt on readalots mission, despite the SITE OWNERS EXPLICIT WORDS.

Zebedee, far from a Chinese shill, thought me that sterility testing within a ugl environment is a bit of a worthless pursuit, for the way manufacturing is conducted.
I assumed that batch sterility testing is what it says on the tin and it is reliably representative of what it being tested.
Not so.
This is the way Zebedee, Spiff and Narta have "questioned my beliefs".
I accept that I was wrong and I now know that thanks to them.
You, on the other hand, find this a nice little way to try insulting me, for the simple fact that I have been open to listen to what both factions have been bringing to the table.
Funny how you did not go look at all my exchanges with Narta, where we disagreed.
But that does not suit your current narrative and that is that.

people that post the most against testing are clearly the people who additional testing would effect the most negatively.

Together with many members not prepared to pay a dime more for gear.
Together with others who, despite asking for more testing from sources that were doing so inadequately, were also against what Readalot was pushing for.

But, then, again, you have not participated in any of this and have no idea what members have been saying.
You just like turning up now to teach us all a lesson.
I did say that maybe opposition to this seems high because the loudest voices have been the ones against.
But you have conveniently missed that bit too.

The whole point of this forum is to talk about enhanced testing, vendor practices which is harm reduction, not to have werid circle jerks in source threads , if people want to do this, then go to the off-topics, make some friends in real life, go on facebook, get a hobby, etc.
instead of trying to clique up with obvious shills in source threads to feel included.

So, you are saying that I have been on this thread and on source threads to "clique up" with obvious shills, instead of showing support for the testing ideas that were being put forward.
Sure, why not.

Look forward to seeing you stick around and get all this testing implemented by Meso sources because you are going to be one of those that benefits from it, obviously.
So, put your time, energy and money towards it, after you are done with dealing with the Chinese shills cosying up to one another.

 

[iris]

If @readalot could stop being an a******, he would likely get some additional support. Unfortunately, it seems like it's in his DNA.

Throughout this whole thing, you have not managed to articulate a single sentence against testing that was not "readalot asshole" or "bubbleboy".

So, if you were keen for this agenda to be stopped or altered, all you have achieved is making yourself look silly.

Others have stated their reasons or engaged in meaningful discussion.
You are one of the many that have been antagonistic for the sake of it and just because they dislike the person who has created this topic.
If Readalot has been spamming threads, as you say, you have been doing exactly the same, with the insults and nonsense you posted, relentlessly.

 

[Liter O' Test]

You are always quite good at slinging stuff at people, often taking what they write out of context.

I should have like put in some sort of pause or break in my comment with your comment quoted because like only 2 sentences were towards you and i didnt mean it personally, and i was just going on my usual rant for the rest of it, i have no ill will towards you or want to put you down or think you are stupid or a shill, i totally apologize and i should have made that more clear

Together with many members not prepared to pay a dime more for gear.
Together with others who, despite asking for more testing from sources that were doing so inadequately, were also against what Readalot was pushing for.

I dont believe the 'people not prepared to pay a dime more for gear' actually exist. and the people that post here are basically an insignificant sample size of gear users/customers so i dont pay them any mind especially with how much of an impact shills have/ alt accounts/80iq weridos

 

[readalot]

which he never purchased or has any intention to purchase, per his statement

A complete fabrication.

Shall we roll the tape or is this just another in the long list of "misunderstandings"?

Why would I keep this discussion to this thread and the database thread? Do you seriously think we'd have the progress to date if I didn't actively go out into vendor threads?

 

[narta]

So now you are saying to keep TESTING out of source threads.
To keep harm reduction out of source threads.

totally not a shill huh, totally normal consumer behavior.

Also, why do you want enhanced testing to die?

I want to keep SPAMMING every 10 posts for E.T. to die. I am all for the occasional offtopic, I am part of it.

pretty ironic coming from you, someone so vulgar you have been temporary banned for it and lost "well known member" tag.

Shit, how am I suppose to sleep at night now that my tag is gone?

Ah, like do now, that I don't give a fuck.

Also, "they clearly told him they are not interested" , this is so obvious you are involved with the sources.

You can read the numerous times that vendors wrote in their thread to either clearly fuck off (Tracy) or I am not interested (GA)/SSA

So you want the idea of additional testing to die

The idea and its advocates are in my "Don't give a personal fuck about it" section of my brain. Anyone is free to express, advocate and expand on their opinion/idea as long as it's not becoming a nuisance for the rest of the forum/members.

 

[narta]

A complete fabrication.

Let me rephrase it more accurately: You have no intention to purchase UGL gear for personal use, if it doesn't follow your strict E.T. protocol.

Better?

Why would I keep this discussion to this thread and the database thread? Do you seriously think we'd have the progress to date if I didn't actively go out into vendor threads?

Make a suggestion. It will either be accepted or the vendor will tell you to fuck off with your E.T. If the latter, proceed to materialize said action and fuck off.

 

[iris]

Why would I keep this discussion to this thread and the database thread? Do you seriously think we'd have the progress to date if I didn't actively go out into vendor threads?

Yeah, that was a ridiculous thing to say.

@narta
Bloody hell, you know I always ask you what you think, but this doesn't make any sense.
You think that anyone would give a damn about a lonely thread, when nobody gets to know what this is all about?

When you say testing certain things for ugl is not practical or reliable because of how they operate, you are making a valid point, as you have experience of that environment.
I can understand the million notifications and seeing the same posts on the same thread 100 times a day bother you.
Fine.
You are allowed to say that, the same way someone else can say they don't mind any of that.

But stuff like this is nonsense and you know it.
Of course vendors are going to say they are not interested.
And how can he make suggestions safely ensconced away in his thread?

As for the name calling, it has gone both ways.

I did reply to Readalot saying you are not nasty, just caliente.
Which he may have misunderstood (my bad for not explaining) but it was just about being fiery in how you express yourself.

But he is the same.
And so you continue butting heads.

 

[RekTest]

Make a suggestion. It will either be accepted or the vendor will tell you to fuck off with your E.T. If the latter, proceed to materialize said action and fuck off.

The thing is, we only have what we have now because people didn’t fuck off.
This is our board, not theirs.

 

[iris]

will either be accepted or the vendor will tell you to fuck off with your E.T. If the latter, proceed to materialize said action and fuck off.

OK.
But let me ask you this: you make your stuff, don't you?
You are just buying raws and peptides.
All the oil testing wouldn't affect you.

So, it is just the interactions on the board that cause you bother, really.
This testing malarkey is not going to harm you, is it?
If for raws the minimum is hplc and gcms, say, is this too much to ask?

 

[readalot]

Better?

Yes. That is a big difference when you add in that qualifier.

Thanks.

 

[narta]

Yeah, that was a ridiculous thing to say.

@narta
Bloody hell, you know I always ask you what you think, but this doesn't make any sense.
You think that anyone would give a damn about a lonely thread, when nobody gets to know what this is all about?

When you say testing certain things for ugl is not practical or reliable because of how they operate, you are making a valid point, as you have experience of that environment.
I can understand the million notifications and seeing the same posts on the same thread 100 times a day bother you.
Fine.
You are allowed to say that, the same way someone else can say they don't mind any of that.

But stuff like this is nonsense and you know it.
Of course vendors are going to say they are not interested.
And how can he make suggestions safely ensconced away in his thread?

As for the name calling, it has gone both ways.

I did reply to Readalot saying you are not nasty, just caliente.
Which he may have misunderstood (my bad for not explaining) but it was just about being fiery in how you express yourself.

But he is the same.
And so you continue butting heads.

Let's get down to business:

What is in the realm of possibility and what is not.

HPLC testing: Yes both for finished products and raws
Sterility: Probable depending chain of custody
Heavy metals contamination: It has been done numerous times and always came back negative. Even Jano has commented on that and said that is virtually no such things in the last few years

Everything else is just added cost and delays (if you want every batch tested as it should) for the big vendors that move massive quantities. To even have a chance to make that viable, the vendors will need to implement an extra step of inkjet the batch number directly to the vial so there is a point of reference since labels are not a thing.

E.T. maybe a thing for smaller labs, with limited products and small batches. The people that want that should gravitate to those sources, pay for the added cost (that will be more than a big vendor due to units per batch) and we can all move along. There are already a couple of sources that are going with that, all parties interested should purchase their gear there.

The big vendors are not going to comply and reality needs to set in, we can't do anything about it. The only thing that is happening is that all the spam, whine and banter over E.T. on vendor threads that are not going to do it whatever the annoyance, is people are loosing interest in the forum that will end up as a spam fest shithole. Anyone interested in those vendors have alternate methods to monitor promotions/sales/get price lists and ask questions through other platforms like telegram.

Unless the ultimate end goal is exactly that: drive vendor threads to the gutter in order to promote certain "E.T. approved" sources like P.M. has its "Guaranteed Sponsor" tag and other boards. Hell, make some mods that shit on anyone that dare to question anything on the "E.T. approved" sources thread and we end up like every other board out there.

If the above is not enough for anyone to comprehend my opinion, I can't do anything to help them and I won't.