Readalots Enhanced Testing

[curveball2025]

And that's the thing...I don't mind if he feels differently. I'm not trying to jump down his throat (internet communication sucks sometimes...errrr, all the time).

I would humbly invite him back to clarify. It's either:
- i. his ONLY acceptable outcome is "do exactly what I propose and there is nothing to discuss."

- ii. "I didn't see Millard's recent post. Now I understand and agree."

- iii. "I saw his post and disagree with you ass clowns because....." That's where I'm left hanging.

I understand they don't owe an answer. I'm not trying to badger the witness. He actually had a sorta/kinda general question I had in my brain when Narta previously suggested kicking all sponsored sources off the board (a strange suggestion given the outcome that would leave for everyone who buys here)...but I understood the "trap" that Narta was obviously alluding to (..the elephant in the room implication being there was some bowing to sources).

I don't have a problem with the question. I have a problem with a passive aggressive agenda and instant "shut down" once they are pressed on the issue.

I will say Kudos to them for stepping away and not continuing to escalate...that part is fair if that's the choice. However, if there is more to discuss, let's say it out loud...in a "moving the message forward" kinda way...and I guess maybe he's looking for an answer directly from Millard so this novella is not what they requested. To quote Dirt (without permission) - Peace.

He has the ability to IMMEDIATELY set an expectation that sets a standard which is far above ANYTHING which currently exists. That is my point. Anyone can be a vendor here without any requirements, but why not establish a higher level of expectation for vendors who pay for "sticky thread" exposure. If those vendors choose not to follow suit, they can still be part of the regular, non-paying, group of vendors.

I do not see why it is so difficult to comprehend my position, weather you agree with it or not.

As I said, you won!

 

[RandallFlagg]

He has the ability to IMMEDIATELY set an expectation that sets a standard which is far above ANYTHING which currently exists. That is my point. Anyone can be a vendor here without any requirements, but why not establish a higher level of expectation for vendors who pay for "sticky thread" exposure. If those vendors choose not to follow suit, they can still be part of the regular, non-paying, group of vendors.

I do not see why it is so difficult to comprehend my position, weather you agree with it or not.

As I said, you won!

I confess I spend very little time on other boards.

I also wasn't around pre-sponsor Meso era.

I also have no idea how lucrative the sponsorship tag is.

This requirement does not do anything to level the field (I mean QSC doesn't have a sponsorship).

I comprehend your position. I just don't see the correlation of mandating this change for paid sponsors. There are too many layers to unpack on why this is against the spirit of what is trying to be accomplished...but I won't begrudge you brainstorming ideas to improve the system. This just isn't one that is likely to get much traction.

 

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[readalot]

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Axle Labs - US Domestic'

Jan 2, 2025

Unfiltered raws were demonstrated to have metals (no likely not heavy metals) in project 3.

So what you’re sayin is metal testing is unnecessary.



Just kidding. Metals in raws has been known about for years. One of Meso’s biggest Sources (TGI) use to talk about it and shared pictures of metal in the raws on his discord. Metals were tested for a lot back in recent years and there was never a concerning report but it may have been because raws and orals weren’t really tested back then for metals. I know you say raws were tested in your project but did that 1 gram raw...

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MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Axle Labs - US Domestic'

Jan 2, 2025

I know you say raws were tested in your project but did that 1 gram raw sample have one of those chunks of metal, unlikely but had a bigger sample been sent I’m sure there would be some. I’m very curious to see what the metal is as well and how it would look on a report.

Yes, you would collect the metal off the stirrer bar and send it in. I spoke with Jano about this but was left hanging by the vendor.

Great plan. Thanks for your thoughts on this and the background history. The metals were shown to be magnetically captured and wouldn't make it through sterile filtration as...

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See posts 5130 and 5133.

Relevant discussion on isolating metal particulates from raws for testing.

Axle may end up doing some additional testing for the community thanks to the efforts of the members who held him accountable today.

@accidentaljedi173
@dontletheoldmanin
@B Ware
@SwolieGuacamole
@FastBun

Thank you.

 

[B Ware]

It’s known by most that there is some metal pieces here and there in raws. Especially to those who brew. If a brewer is reading this and spots some metal, which there should be some on the magnetic stir bar, notify the community or if you wish to stay anonymous reach out to me, readalot or someone privately and myself or maybe a few of us will arrange and finance for it to be tested. Let’s put this to rest.

Oils will probably always test without metal as the filter gets them out but that’s not the case with orals. Let’s test some of these metals being found since we are consuming a bit in orals.

I mean as a kid I’m sure I swallowed a few bbs and pellets as I would put ammo in my mouth. lol Hell, pretty sure I still do so I’m sure the specks of metal here and there in raws isn’t too concerning but I find it interesting and why not test some since we now have the means?

 

[readalot]

Caution for those using raws in oral suspensions, capsules, etc.

 

[readalot]

If a brewer is reading this and spots some metal, which there should be some on the magnetic stir bar, notify the community or if you wish to stay anonymous reach out to me, readalot or someone privately and myself or maybe a few of us will arrange and finance for it to be tested. Let’s put this to rest

Absolutely will hold this in confidence like last time and any time. Thanks for posting this Brother.

 

[FastBun]

Nice to see the two of you getting along… fighting the same cause… that’s what these forums should be about and always learning and supporting each other…

 

[readalot]

I am not saying the person sending in said sample is truly altering anything, I am just saying if he is going to discredit me(based off of my history), his whole database is discredited as well .

Putting this claim in the proper thread for future comment and rebuttal.

 

[readalot]

What's the thoughts on extending forum informal/formal standard to raws testing both HPLC and GCMS?

May be an opportune time given latest data point.

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Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma HPLC testing'

Jan 15, 2025

Yeah me neither... The latest batches of RAWS are complete shit. Test D 90% NPP 86% your Tren E
Damn

See that's the whole point if you understand how this stuff is made. The purities can be turned down but also turned up.

Great work. I'd like to see a push for forum standards and mandatory raws testing by the vendors as part of that standard.

Phase 1 ...HPLC.
Phase 2...mandatory GCMS.

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Surveillance data would be quite useful.

 

[Millard]

I can see my question will not answered. @Millard, you have both the power and integrity to make a difference.

Absolutely, NOT! This is not a source board.

MESO has never, and will never give a source an endorsement, seal of approval, or "good to go" pass.

It compromises editorial independence. There must always be a clear separation between editorial content and advertising.

Once you start "approving" sources, the clear separation is gone and your reputation becomes linked to the actions of the advertiser.

But I'm confused - was your question not answered in another post by Millard already today?

1.) This is NOT a source board. There shouldn't be a score card or "pay to play"... otherwise this becomes a source board.

 

[curveball2025]

Absolutely, NOT! This is not a source board.

MESO has never, and will never give a source an endorsement, seal of approval, or "good to go" pass.

It compromises editorial independence. There must always be a clear separation between editorial content and advertising.

Once you start "approving" sources, the clear separation is gone and your reputation becomes linked to the actions of the advertiser.

Are they not "approved" via payment. It is pay to "play" being a sticky source, correct?

 

[readalot]

Are they not "approved" via payment. It is pay to "play" being a sticky source, correct?

This is at least the third time you've posed this question and had this info shared with you....

MESO does NOT sponsor or endorse any source.

The forum remains neutral, focusing on its mission of education and harm reduction. It does not recommend or vouch for the quality, safety, or reliability of any particular source. On the contrary, it encourages members to speak out and hold all sources, and especially sponsors, fully accountable.

It is the sponsors that provide MESO with financial support to help the forum continue its operations. While sources may sponsor MESO, this does not grant them influence over the forum's policies, discussions, or endorsements.

I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding over misused terms sponsor and sponsorship

Are your questions answered in the above text?

Would bigger and another color help?

It is the sponsors that provide MESO with financial support to help the forum continue its operations. While sources may sponsor MESO, this does not grant them influence over the forum's policies, discussions, or endorsements.

 

[readalot]

Whoops meant to post that here but what the hell. Most likely germane there as well.

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Post in thread 'Enhanced Testing Database'

Jan 16, 2025

Interesting vibe on here lately.

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[readalot]

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Post in thread 'Enhanced Testing Database'

Jan 16, 2025

Why would you guys lead this vendor in the wrong direction? I am not going to get in a childish argument with you guys, but I am amazed at how few and far between any of your comments are of any benefit to anyone. Unbelievable! Blocking two people for the first time!

I agree 100%. You hit IGNORE on a handful of these and the forums suddenly are infinitely cleaner and actually enjoyable to read. The only signs that will be visible of them will be their excessive use of thumbs up/down that they constantly press as they mutually masturbate each other.

Asking a vendor who...

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[curveball2025]

This is at least the third time you've posed this question and had this info shared with you....



Are your questions answered in the above text?

Would bigger and another color help?

While I am sure you had fun playing with colors, you apparently are having difficulty reading for comprehension. I understand that when words are not typed or spoken by you, you become dyslexic or deaf, but it does not answer the written question.

Requiring a paid vendor to both pay and do enhanced testing does not vouch for them, rather it sets a slightly higher standard for sticky thread access on a site dedicated to harm reduction.

To the new visitor, it would appear that that sticky thread vendors are "approved.". This is what I thought when I first arrived.

If is just a way to earn money to support other objectives, I will stop asking.

BUT, I NEVER ASKED YOU!

 

[readalot]

While I am sure you had fun playing with colors, you apparently are having difficulty reading for comprehension. I understand that when words are not typed or spoken by you, you become dyslexic or deaf, but it does not answer the written question.

Requiring paid vendor to both pay and do enhanced testing does not vouch for them, rather it sets a slightly higher standard for sticky thread access on a site dedicated to harm reduction.

To the new visitor, it would appear that that sticky thread vendors are "approved.". This is what I thought when I first arrived.

If is just a way to earn money to support other objectives, I will stop asking.

BUT, I NEVER ASKED YOU!

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Post in thread 'Readalots Enhanced Testing'

Jan 1, 2025

I won't speak for Millard.

But I'm confused - was your question not answered in another post by Millard already today?

1.) This is NOT a source board. There shouldn't be a score card or "pay to play"... otherwise this becomes a source board.
- EVERYONE is free to play. That was the statement (I mean shit, I could start a UGL tomorrow and bet I could get a dumbass or two to buy from me... especially since I have some QSC primo im never going to use that I'd give away for free if it didn't count as distribution... lol)

2.) The forum users need to demand the standard.... NOT the forum...

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[readalot]

To the new visitor, it would appear that that sticky thread vendors are "approved.". This is what I thought when I first arrived.

Post in thread 'Harm reduction in the Steroid Underground subforum - this is NOT a source forum'

Nov 8, 2022

It was a typo. Yes, the members criticizised the source but what about some poor bastard who possibly got a false sense of trust because of the highlighted sponsor tag and got hurt as a result of using that product? There's always some. It's not like taking a bit too much testosterone.

I thought it was relevant to point this out after seeing the fentanyl discussing. I don't see how dnp is that much different.

The advertiser-supported revenue model has been around forever with newspapers, magazines, journals, television, and the internet.

Advertisers know they are not buying...

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Search results for query: Source sponsor

thinksteroids.com

 

[iris]

The real answer is that the hardest part of re-selling gear is peeling all the labels off

I'm legitimately stunned by the QSC offer of more testing (I stopped buying oils from QSC a while ago).
I'm not gonna knock the people who hate the idea (just surprised). Still all boils down to two camps:
1.) Raise standards of UGL to closer to pharma grade (and still pay pennies compared to pharma grade without a valid prescription).
2.) "gimme my gear as cheap as you can go...."
Maybe I'll pay the $10 upgrade to react in the underground (then again that's like 1 and 1/2 vials of Test C! Nah...lol).

3.) same gear, more expensive, solves PR problem because people think its safe now because 1 random vial was tested.

All just for entertainment till you address my questions and lay out plan for sampling and chain of custody.
No one is winning anything. Stepping up on the plan would be a requirement though for you to be taken serious.
Hint: you are going to have to put some skin in this game.

there is NO chain of custody unless you personally go to china, watch one batch be made, dab a drop of your own blood on every single vial, bring them to a secret location, lock yourself inside, give a few vials to a priest to hand deliver to JANO, then personally deliver all the vials for export to a different country and send them yourself, and the consumer has to send the vial in to jano to confirm your DNA stamp of approval

From a regular qsc customer.

 

[readalot]

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Post in thread 'Enhanced Testing Database'

Jan 16, 2025

For example, endotoxin testing has not shown anything detrimental. This even includes a rookie brewer using a $45 still air box.

Your point?

1. Are the results to date valid given the oil matrix of the injectable AAS tested?

2. Is there additional work needed to confirm validity of the method?

3. Have we reached a statistically valid sample size with the testing?

It is a rabbit hole that needs a clear definition of what will help harm reduction. My wife, has made it clear to me that she believes it is unlikely endotoxin testing will accomplish much of anything. Long...

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@curveball2025 feel free to respond here. Not the other thread. Thank you.