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iris said:
From a regular qsc customer.
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I'll address my quote. There will be no substitute for blind customer testing as part of this process. Only relying on vendor testing won't be sufficient.

QSC should have also implemented reimbursement for blind customer testing on the ET suite.

And corrected the floaters.
 
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readalot said:
No thank you.

The thread was hijacked and now you'd like me to do extra work?

Hard pass.

Would you like to do that as part of project leader role?
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@curveball2025 redirect.

Further commentary here or a new thread please.
 
musclesiege said:
Wait I thought you weren’t the leader here yet you keep talking and trying to take control. You said a couple days ago you’re responsible for leading the testing and will be crucified if you don’t but get attacked when you do. Now you’re saying you never wanted to be the leader.
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if you could respect the topic of other thread i would appreciate it.

Fyi...

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B Ware said:
He’s a scum bag who doesn’t deserve to be here and you knew that before he said what you wanted to hear.
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Cause if I ain't consistent in my approach or show that I am a gate keeper to this thread I will be crucified. This thread is a database of vendor testing. It's up to the members to take this info and make their decisions. Same as everything else on MESO. Right?

This thread ain't "Readalot's opinion of whether a source is a scumbag". You have to be consistent in treatment of all sources for this thread.
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That's what I said.
 
musclesiege said:
Thats the point, if you buy from a source like that after being caught on multiple issues you’re a fool or desperate. Plenty of others out there. So the only point is to say yep put another notch on my belt I got them to test but it’s not actually helping just getting testing for testing’s sake. I get your a big cheerleader for him and my point is to use the energy towards already decent sources that have promise to perhaps get better versus the ones that will harm you. No experienced person here would use that source regardless based on their previous misgivings.
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That's the guy who had the guaiacol issue, right?
I see that his thread has almost 400k views.
How many of those relate to people solely there to tell Axle to bugger off, idk.

There are people who buy there, though, whether you like it or not.
And I gather you are not Axle's customer.

If we could choose which sources are "not worth it" and we could get them out of here tomorrow, your argument makes sense.
Then we can concentrate all efforts on the better ones.

But with this not possible and people still buying there, do you think your argument stands?
Should Axle be allowed to continue as is, we buy somewhere else, hoping people will read the bad posts and he will eventually leave?

I agree, he has an awful track record.
But should that not be a reason to push for more transparency and accountability, for the people who are still there buying?

It is also thanks to members taking an interest that we know how bad he is (see Spaceman's tests).

You are certainly free to ignore and not care about any of it.
He is not your source, and so.
But the people who do want to be there and demand he tests his raws, qc, lab set up info, and so on are not causing any damage by giving the source "positive exposure" he does not deserve.

If anything, maybe something good may come out of it: either what needs improvement will be tackled or, if no effort makes this happen, the relentless bad press will start driving more people away or make newbies immediately aware.
For the ones that still want his gear, you can take a horse to water, but...
 
iris said:
That's the guy who had the guaiacol issue, right?
I see that his thread has almost 400k views.
How many of those relate to people solely there to tell Axle to bugger off, idk.

There are people who buy there, though, whether you like it or not.
And I gather you are not Axle's customer.

If we could choose which sources are "not worth it" and we could get them out of here tomorrow, your argument makes sense.
Then we can concentrate all efforts on the better ones.

But with this not possible and people still buying there, do you think your argument stands?
Should Axle be allowed to continue as is, we buy somewhere else, hoping people will read the bad posts and he will eventually leave?

I agree, he has an awful track record.
But should that not be a reason to push for more transparency and accountability, for the people who are still there buying?

It is also thanks to members taking an interest that we know how bad he is (see Spaceman's tests).

You are certainly free to ignore and not care about any of it.
He is not your source, and so.
But the people who do want to be there and demand he tests his raws, qc, lab set up info, and so on are not causing any damage by giving the source "positive exposure" he does not deserve.

If anything, maybe something good may come out of it: either what needs improvement will be tackled or, if no effort makes this happen, the relentless bad press will start driving more people away or make newbies immediately aware.
For the ones that still want his gear, you can take a horse to water, but...
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I’ve said it before, I don’t have an issue with his push on testing my argument was it will probably be in vain and to not focus on the turds. Like many others my issue is being disingenuous about his reasons and the way he speaks to people. Axle in particular the issue someone brought up, maybe @Spaceman Spiff was by @readalot giving him kudos for the testing may give those noobs a false sense of security and they may buy more.

My goal is to provide information for people to make educated decisions. I don’t think anyone should be shutdown that up to the members to not buy but there will always be a market. It’s also people being lazy and not wanting to do research and read old threads or articles or ask questions. They want to be spoon fed and some just take others opinions as gospel as they have no base for their own opinion. So I’d like to encourage more people to study too.
 
musclesiege said:
I’ve said it before, I don’t have an issue with his push on testing my argument was it will probably be in vain and to not focus on the turds. Like many others my issue is being disingenuous about his reasons and the way he speaks to people. Axle in particular the issue someone brought up, maybe @Spaceman Spiff was by @readalot giving him kudos for the testing may give those noobs a false sense of security and they may buy more.

My goal is to provide information for people to make educated decisions. I don’t think anyone should be shutdown that up to the members to not buy but there will always be a market. It’s also people being lazy and not wanting to do research and read old threads or articles or ask questions. They want to be spoon fed and some just take others opinions as gospel as they have no base for their own opinion. So I’d like to encourage more people to study too.
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After thinking about it.

None of us should care who he gives kudos too. If people want to purchase anyone who gets "a point". Let them.

Then they realize it's a shit source, that's their problem for following anyone and getting a "g2g"

I really mean it when I am getting tired of sharing so much testing publicly.

it's really based around how things have been changing including this whole enhanced testing and lack of the most basic testing.

I'm not even trying to be bitter right now. I had 5+ things tested in the past month I have 0 care to share then with people here.

I mean Jesus, people can't even test 3 dollars testosterone vials.

Even with what I helped push. Pirate ship has been laid out and janoshik is easily accessible.
 
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musclesiege said:
I’ve said it before, I don’t have an issue with his push on testing my argument was it will probably be in vain and to not focus on the turds. Like many others my issue is being disingenuous about his reasons and the way he speaks to people. Axle in particular the issue someone brought up, maybe @Spaceman Spiff was by @readalot giving him kudos for the testing may give those noobs a false sense of security and they may buy more.

My goal is to provide information for people to make educated decisions. I don’t think anyone should be shutdown that up to the members to not buy but there will always be a market. It’s also people being lazy and not wanting to do research and read old threads or articles or ask questions. They want to be spoon fed and some just take others opinions as gospel as they have no base for their own opinion. So I’d like to encourage more people to study too.
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I understand, there have been a lot of people here, lately, who clearly do not want to look into things and just want to be "spoon fed", as you say.
No matter how much info/data available, those people will never care for it and make educated decisions.

But you are right, the fact that he is showing willingness to test more or be more transparent does not erase his past conduct, nor should he be allowed to weaponise his engagement for those purposes.

Thank you.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
None of us should care who he gives kudos too.
Then they realize it's a shit source, that's their problem for following him.

g lack of the most basic testing.

I'm not even trying to be bitter right now. I had 5+ things tested in the past month I have 0 care to share then with people here.
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I thought this was not about kudos, but about finding a bit more transparency, if possible.


Yes, it is basic testing first.
You are right.
If even that is not in place, asking for anything more complex seems ridiculous.

It's your prerogative.
But, then again, your testing is your thing.
It's got nothing to do with this particular thing.
There is no alignment.

If you are resentful for the way you have been spoken to and this is your reaction, as a result, then OK.
 
iris said:
I thought this was not about kudos, but about finding a bit more transparency, if possible.


Yes, it is basic testing first.
You are right.
If even that is not in place, asking for anything more complex seems ridiculous.

It's your prerogative.
But, then again, your testing is your thing.
It's got nothing to do with this particular thing.
There is no alignment.

If you are resentful for the way you have been spoken to and this is your reaction, as a result, then OK.
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Its really everything as a whole. Running without learning to walk.

Blind testing is king against sources.

Sources can send in "the most safely handled" sample to show sterility is not a concern.

If they want "enhanced testing" then it should be done randomly. Not something planned by the source.

In the end, I'll let people do what they want.
Buy from "good to go" sources.

I don't need to blind test anything but peptides and raws anymore.

Even then, I don't plan to release it unless there is a financial incentive.

Call me bitter but it's my sample and my money. Ill keep it private among harm reduction groups that share a common goal. Which is the way things have been moving right now.

Many vets and I are just disgusted. That's why so many of them came out of hiding to voice their concerns
 
musclesiege said:
It’s also people being lazy and not wanting to do research and read old threads or articles or ask questions. They want to be spoon fed and some just take others opinions as gospel as they have no base for their own opinion. So I’d like to encourage more people to study too.
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Amen. Completely agree. That's why I don't agree with linking any testing requirements with sponsors here. Would ruin the site and will encourage even less reading.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Blind testing is king against sources.

Sources can send in "the most safely handled" sample to show sterility is not a concern.

If they want "enhanced testing" then it should be done randomly. Not something planned by the source.
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How about pushing on credits for blind customer ET testing?

I agree I never wanted this stuff to replace the basics.

We still haven't shown endotoxin testing is reliable for oils. Open.
 
readalot said:
Amen. Completely agree. That's why I don't agree with linking any testing requirements with sponsors here. Would ruin the site and will encourage even less reading.
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Explain this to me, sorry.

Who are the sponsors you are talking about, exactly?
 
This has happened enough by DM that I figured I would state it. Please don't DM me for a reliable source. Please read, do your due diligence, and make your decisions carefully. I am an anonymous poster on the internet. That's it. I have no credentials here nor should you take any recommendations on vendors.

I will never disclose any source I use nor make a recommendation. There are no g2g sources.

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The reason for this restriction is that many New Members are too eager to rush to the Steroid Underground to engage in one of two behaviors:

(1) praise/promote a source;
(2) ask for a reliable source

Many New Members regrettably disregard or fail to recognize the potential negative consequences of such behaviors.
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musclesiege said:
My goal is to provide information for people to make educated decisions. I don’t think anyone should be shutdown that up to the members to not buy but there will always be a market. It’s also people being lazy and not wanting to do research and read old threads or articles or ask questions. They want to be spoon fed and some just take others opinions as gospel as they have no base for their own opinion. So I’d like to encourage more people to study too
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This really was the bottom line. Our goals are the same. FWIW I apologize for arguing with you. Should have let it go whether I agreed with what you claimed or not.

I stick my hand out if you want to shake on it.

I don't know how we will get the culture to change here so more folks will read, study and make their own decisions. Just getting people to look at the request to do a new member intro post when they sign up seems really challenging.

Take care.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Its really everything as a whole. Running without learning to walk.

Blind testing is king against sources.

Sources can send in "the most safely handled" sample to show sterility is not a concern.

If they want "enhanced testing" then it should be done randomly. Not something planned by the source.

In the end, I'll let people do what they want.
Buy from "good to go" sources.

I don't need to blind test anything but peptides and raws anymore.

Even then, I don't plan to release it unless there is a financial incentive.

Call me bitter but it's my sample and my money. Ill keep it private among harm reduction groups that share a common goal. Which is the way things have been moving right now.

Many vets and I are just disgusted. That's why so many of them came out of hiding to voice their concerns
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Definitely your choice to do with the testing what you will. Glad you at least are able to share it in private groups - still provides a valuable service especially to those that are most engaged in the bodybuilding community.

I wish there was something that could be done specifically to reduce the disgust of the vets..I suppose I simply don't understand nor have been around long enough to fully understand the source of disgust (aside from old history and a current perceived misappropriation of equal justice for internet misbehavior). I'm not dismissing the concerns of others....I just don't know a way forward.

FWIW, there are still relative newbies capable of learning and listening to all sides of the arguments. I suspect there are plenty of quiet voices on the sidelines who get something out of the contributions from all sides (as long as comments are made in good faith).

I understand there may be no direct path forward with regards to Readalot. There simply isn't a way to undo the past.

I don't want to continue the circuitous path of wondering what can be done as the next step in surveillance of UGL...I think the camps are now essentially:
- 1.) Vets/OG/disgusted group - that seem to agree more testing is a good thing (but I guess disgusted that Readalot is leading the charge?)

- 2.) Team Readalot (though he really has tried to make it clear at times he is hoping others will join the charge).

I understand his approach can be over-bearing..I'm just not sure anyone else has the will to push relentlessly forward with a vision. "Asking nicely" just isn't going to get it done with sources.

I look forward to the ongoing ideas you all are working on as I realize there are some side projects people are working on. I do think there is still room for collaboration if we can just get past the disgust part. Internet communication has serious limitations...add in androgens and shit, it's a fucking time bomb every day (goddam, imagine what a woman has gotta go through every month come to think of it).

I may be naive and new-ish...i do agree with your points about learning to walk instead of run for newbies so thanks for reminding me of that.

Apologies for any contribution to making MESO a shit storm...never my intention but now that I've been here long enough, I see what a cluster fuck it can be to have the Reddit invasion of QSC (admittedly how i ended up here...and now I spend all damn day (well...i do still have a job go to..so not ALL day) on MESO instead of Reddit...lol)

Hopefully things can clear up and be hospitable for all who want to be part of the harm reduction goals....especially with QSC gone.
 
RandallFlagg said:
Vets/OG/disgusted group - that seem to agree more testing is a good thing (but I guess disgusted that Readalot is leading the charge?)

- 2.) Team Readalot (though he really has tried to make it clear at times he is hoping others will join the charge).
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So what shall we do to fix the disgust?

(2) Team Readalot those who want to get up and make it happen

Come on down...

@FastBun made the point some don't feel they have the technical know how to be effective in the role.

So if anyone wants to lead I am happy to get out of the way and happy to consult when needed.

Like you said. As long as it's in good faith and not attempt to bury improvements. If the improvements aren't improvements state the case.
 
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