Mention it all you want but be fair. The negative didn't come from the testing. You get that, right? Tracy tried to legitimize the floaters.
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The first one that comes to mind is @symbiotic. Check out his thread. At least the first few pages. One of the best intros and had a good setup. We all thought he was going to be one of the greats. We ran him off for floaters. Well, I believe he had floaters and we came down hard, he made corrections, had floaters again and then we ran him off.
Dirthand
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Really my thing is not just about "not caring" or having an interest because I certainly do. I was kinda excited about the whole project and was interested to stay in the background to learn specifically on how to interpret the data that was being collected and what exacally it mean and how to use the interpreted data to improve the quality of the gear I was brewing to inject into myself.
Truth is i can send something off for gcms tommarrow but when the results come back looking at the raw data would be like trying to read Chinese or some bullshit. I like for things to be put into a practical application approach. It's like type11 and his articles.. hands down obviously the guy know what he is talking about but when someone else at my level starts reading about the 5 alpha ace reduced inhibitor of what the fuck ever (Chinese languge) now i can read a Bill Robert's article about a steriod profile and it has better target to my intellect.. (this is what it can do, this is about how much you can take, this is the harm profile )
I was excited to see Mr. Millard start commenting on the threads and try bring opposites together a little. I mean honestly I have gotten to k ow mr. Readalot a little and love him to death cause I have been able to see that he has a good heart.. I try and judge people by their heart and not the annoying shit about themselves that we cant stand. I agree that read needs to be taken in in low to moderate doses just like the gear we all blast. That does not change the fact that he has dedicated a shit ton of time, energy and money into this. Does anyone Honestly think that he himself like the constant critism he goes through? I mean to a degree his annoying methods have acually brought some results as I have seen some sources doing enhanced testing. No? Attitude will always meet Attitude..
What has the enhanced tested yielded so far for data points and real world application for harm reduction? I am genuinely asking . One though I had was the first sample send in by read and myself of the bold u had a high amount of endotoxins result. Correct? What does that mean? Would it have been worth it to send a sample of finished product in that had been treated with terminal sterilization (which from my understanding is suppose to "kill" endotoxins) to me that would have been " this is what we found and this is what we figured out we can do about it to make it bettter"
I am hopeful that some of you guys that are intellectually smarter than me can pull together despite hateing each and figure out a way to break the more complicated parts of tjis down to a more simpler "problem/solution" for simpler minded people as myself.
Anyway just my though.. I want to stand behind each person and their validation and show respect to all you guys (and gals) but one point i do not agree with is when people say "read doesn't even use ugl" i just don't feel like that is a valid argument to be against him as he is still putting in work. And as I stated i agree read can annoying and egotistical.... I manage to get past that.... we can all pick each other apart on a personal level based in character flaws bit I beleive we can also be mindful of how our behavior affects others. Fuck it should I even post this rambling crap.
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You are taking it personal. I mean that’s good as it truly affected me as well but I mean you are taking it like I’m personally attacking you with it. I’m not. I was just stating “it was disheartening” to see that and I felt it was taking two steps back away from harm reduction
Amen. Completely agree. I am sorry. My fault after being come at nearly non stop. Hard to tell true allies. I need to do better. Thank you for taking the time to clarify that point. Sincerely. I'm going to sit back and listen for next few days. Going to stop here for a bit on a high point between us.
Dirthand
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This kind of communication is cool to see.. I think a lot of times people are just misunderstanding each other.... maybe..
For anyone who may be misunderstanding I have resorted to pulling a move I learned from readalot. I have now quoted myself numerous times lol. Truly wasn’t trying to be a dick. Well not until I was came at sideways.
Looks like some good can come of this toward harm reduction. Let’s not stand for floaters. Not saying we have to run the source off right then and there, but the pitchforks need to come out and they need to pull the product and implement changes to their operation. Let’s not let these shills tell us, well all gear should be filtered anyway so what’s the big deal?
FastBun
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We have bigger issues than sterility testing currently… we need to focus on sources and where they are fucking up… together as a whole…
FastBun
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Perfect cause we should be fighting for… we are paying with our fking money here!!!
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RandallFlagg
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I love the opinions and insight.
Honestly wish this level of brainstorming had been able to come together...your perspective and experience makes sense.
No arguments on my end...I truly lack the perspective to even ponder the next steps.
I never doubted there were limitations to Readalots approach...but it has been something...and I find it impossible to believe he started his quest just for some misbegotten vision of glory.
I understand no agreement or direct collaboration will be reached..However, I do suspect he would be more receptive to literally the suggestion above as an example (rather than "it ain't gonna work").
As for the weaponizing of enhanced testing, I can't seriously think anyone with an ounce of common sense truly thought a vial with floaters was "harm-LESS." Sources can try and manipulate the data all they want - but then consumers need to intelligently analyze that data
I don't say this lightly as I strive to never attack anyone (usually) - but I would love to see the first dumbass stand up and proudly proclaim that floaters are safe because the sterility (or was it endotoxin?...I think it was endotoxin) testing was negative. If that dumbass stands up,.that alone tells the community something...their ability to interpret data is severely under-developed. In such a case, they either need to shut up...or learn from the community how to interpret the information as a whole.
I definitely don't take testing advice, medical advice, or product advice from "Dr. Tracy" so whatever his interpretation was, I hope we can all take that with a MASSIVE MASSIVE grain of salt.
Regardless, thank you for the thoughtful reply on the matter...it does all make sense and I understand the lack of desire to go round and round in circles.
Spaceman Spiff
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I strongly beg to differ.
Type in his name in the search.
For the first search is Type in "Well known"
2nd search "Orange letters"
3rd search, type in "3000"
That is why I disagree
Do you also disagree with antibiotics because some shitbag CEO wanted to get rich? Give me a break dude. The why is meaningless, the results are what matters.
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What?
@Spaceman Spiff :
After reading the rest of your commentary and feedback on testing and next steps plus getting feedback from others whose opinion I value, I apologize for fighting with you in the other threads and here. It's clear our personalities don't jive and we never hit it off, but that doesn't mean we both aren't after the same thing in terms of forum goals for harm reduction.
I get it, we won't probably ever get along but I shouldn't have called you out. I'm sorry and ask for your forgiveness.
Have a good weekend.
r
After reading the rest of your commentary and feedback on testing and next steps plus getting feedback from others whose opinion I value, I apologize for fighting with you in the other threads and here. It's clear our personalities don't jive and we never hit it off, but that doesn't mean we both aren't after the same thing in terms of forum goals for harm reduction.
I get it, we won't probably ever get along but I shouldn't have called you out. I'm sorry and ask for your forgiveness.
Have a good weekend.
r
curveball2025
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Ego, ego, ego. His ego is his downfall.
Zero accomplishments, although he did manage to piss a lot of people off. I doubt egomaniacs care about that, though.
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Liter O' Test
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yes there are "people" here whose goal is to prevent further testing, even if they dont directly say "we shouldn't test anything", they wouldn't be so explicit. their agenda is to discourage further testing.
a lot of non shills in here being hypercritical of readalot , or devils advocate or something lost in translation with how defensive readalot justifiably is, but the problem is that it piles on with the shills attacks/narratives and its not a good look for testing.
we had a user show up out of nowhere with the intention of getting ghoul and readalot banned. what do those two have in common?
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