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legendary said:
And didn't most people report 24k overdosed?
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24k at one point was using members blood work and that of people he knew to adjust the label dose of his test. The problem with that is this is only good to appease people who want to see big ass numbers or get close to 10x when they draw bloods - it's not conducive to making an accurately dosed product though.

So yeah, it's entirely possible it was overdosed because he was doing this at one point. I don't know if he used this method towards the end or relied on HPLC, but it was being done at one point.
 
Ironball said:
The harsh reality is that no matter how much tests and blood work that gets done it will never be good enough for some ppl on here. Everything has to be picked to peices and complained about one way or the other, atleast we know this gear isnt bs and that should be good enough. Even if its not the best shit around atleast its not fake and atleast its not a scam
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That's why he needs to step up and get Simec testing. Your correct, you can't make everyone happy, but you can sure show an effort to try. 24k did a good job. Pharmacist does a good job. Atlas has a chance just like them. They were all flamed, but proved their self. @grademan is MIA most of the time and refuses to get involved in harm reduction. JMO
 
Geterdun said:
That's why he needs to step up and get Simec testing. Your correct, you can't make everyone happy, but you can sure show an effort to try. 24k did a good job. Pharmacist does a good job. Atlas has a chance just like them. They were all flamed, but proved their self. @grademan is MIA most of the time and refuses to get involved in harm reduction. JMO
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Yeah ive realized grademan has disapeared, if he could shine some light on all this it would help everyone. I spent some good money on this gear so far, but its been good for me so far.. i keep gaining, but i guess when i get blood work i will know whats up.
 

I should say though I don't think using blood work to determine a products dosage is a good strategy absent a history of blood work from that individual showing how they usually respond to the dose administered.

I just know when people relied on blood work to determine product dosage the sentiment was that there is hardly any legit test on the market. Then when HPLC data became the standard that notion got completely flipped upside down.
 
weighted chinup said:
I should say though I don't think using blood work to determine a products dosage is a good strategy absent a history of blood work from that individual showing how they usually respond to the dose administered.

I just know when people relied on blood work to determine product dosage the sentiment was that there is hardly any legit test on the market. Then when HPLC data became the standard that notion got completely flipped upside down.
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Yes to this. Lots a variables. I beleive this batch is average. Not great. Not shit. No infections reported, crashes, pip. And so far 2 decent bloods
 
Sorry if someone already said this haven't read through every new page today. 24k had his test labeled 250mg/ml. People were complaining about numbers not being great. Probably around where @Throwback is with atlas. 24k changed the labeling to 200mg/ml but still had 250mg/ml in the vial. So I was doing 1.25cc of his test c twice a week, which would be 500mg per week according to label. I was actually doing just over 600 a week because of actual content in the vial. People thought it was under dosed so he changed the label to 200, then everybody started coming back with great numbers for what they thought they were injecting. The funny thing is, he was open and honest about it. I think people just wanna see high numbers. it's all in their head cause nothing had changed but the label. Although with me knowing that and knowing the conversion To what I was really pinning, I still got 4700 off of 620 a week I think it was exactly.
 
weighted chinup said:
I should say though I don't think using blood work to determine a products dosage is a good strategy absent a history of blood work from that individual showing how they usually respond to the dose administered.

I just know when people relied on blood work to determine product dosage the sentiment was that there is hardly any legit test on the market. Then when HPLC data became the standard that notion got completely flipped upside down.
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I agree. I have had multiple bloods done over the years while cycling 500 mg of test from different sources and all have come back with levels 2500-3000. For me these results would be satisfying. Like you said without history of bloods it would hard to determine the quality of the test e. It may or may not be underdosed but I don't believe there's enough info here to say either way.
 
I can remember a brother saying something very similar to this a while back in this thread and people said it didn't matter. We can just get bloods early, or we can assume it should be this. Can't remember who tho...:oops:
 
legendary said:
I agree 100%. But on other hand his test deff shows not bunk. I personally think they are ok results. I also after I'm done with his gear I doubt I'll order again. I just don't care for this lab. Only reason I did was its domestic. Unless they become more active like PD or pcom and how 24 was I'm deff not ordering again.
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Yeah I'm on the fence about reordering for those same reasons. I'm definitely gonna wait on my blood before I decide that either way. I just wish either grade man or atlas would.step up a little more often and answer questions or concerns in the thread they starmed here. You start a thread as a rep for a source and once orders start coming in you practically disappear. Waiting to get some more Info on TSL. He seems to be pretty active in his thread answering questions. May just be lip service but time will tell. I can say this about atlas, bloods weren't amazing, but also weren't bad in my opinion. Also response time through email has been very quick. Even quicker than 24 and I've hit him up probably 4 or 5 times. Also TA was crazy fast. Like 2 days. So those are pluses, but he needs to get more active in this thread answering to the concerns of his customers.
 
Oak707 said:
Yeah I'm on the fence about reordering for those same reasons. I'm definitely gonna wait on my blood before I decide that either way. I just wish either grade man or atlas would.step up a little more often and answer questions or concerns in the thread they starmed here. You start a thread as a rep for a source and once orders start coming in you practically disappear. Waiting to get some more Info on TSL. He seems to be pretty active in his thread answering questions. May just be lip service but time will tell. I can say this about atlas, bloods weren't amazing, but also weren't bad in my opinion. Also response time through email has been very quick. Even quicker than 24 and I've hit him up probably 4 or 5 times. Also TA was crazy fast. Like 2 days. So those are pluses, but he needs to get more active in this thread answering to the concerns of his customers.
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I hope one of these labs turns out to be legit, if not I'll end up with a bunch of fake gear from the tests that I've been running on these labs!
 
Gundog said:
I hope one of these labs turns out to be legit, if not I'll end up with a bunch of fake gear from the tests that I've been running on these labs!
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I'm hoping that by the time I'm 6 weeks in on Atlas and get bloods, that some bloods on other labs like TSL and sqs from anabolx come out.
 
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