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Yeah but meso is not a source board, we are here to share experiences, with the main goal of STAYING SAFE

A majority of meso wants testing, as well as you should want testing.

NO ONE CARES if he has to much Buisness to conform to our demands.

I run a Buisness as well, and I WOULD not give a disservice to my customers of not having insurance. (Just another analogy)

@grademan doesn't care about the health and well being of the sport---- he has customers .... He doesn't need me!
 
So I'm seeing a lot of conflicting opinions on how to interpret the t level. Some are saying that it shows it low and others are saying that everyone will respond differently. I tend to be of the school of thought that everyone will respond differently to substances so wouldn't we need a much larger test group to prove anything? And like I saw earlier there is no control listed as his normal levels or truly knowing how much was used...


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Yeah but meso is not a source board, we are here to share experiences, with the main goal of STAYING SAFE

A majority of meso wants testing, as well as you should want testing.

NO ONE CARES if he has to much Buisness to conform to our demands.

I run a Buisness as well, and I WOULD not give a disservice to my customers of not having insurance. (Just another analogy)

@grademan doesn't care about the health and well being of the sport---- he has customers .... He doesn't need me!
Well said sir!
 
Yeah but meso is not a source board, we are here to share experiences, with the main goal of STAYING SAFE

A majority of meso wants testing, as well as you should want testing.

NO ONE CARES if he has to much Buisness to conform to our demands.

I run a Buisness as well, and I WOULD not give a disservice to my customers of not having insurance. (Just another analogy)

@grademan doesn't care about the health and well being of the sport---- he has customers .... He doesn't need me!
Well said.

Further insult, he was logged in 40minutes ago and not a single peep of a response. This blood work convo has been going for hours now?
 
Nothing against atlas, but if you want to see a source trying his ass off to keep customers including sales, testing, etc. look at the pharmasource thread. And before anyone pops off no I'm not a shill or a rep just merely going off experience as a customer and keeping up with the thread.
 
Bummer, was hoping he would come through. Guess I'll have to move along to pharmacon for my my cycle coming up.

Edit: never used pharmacon but with all the labs etc it is looking better and better.


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I agree it would be nice if the rep. was here, and is needed from time to time to resolve issues.

to play devil's advocate for a moment, I see the reps show up, state upfront they are a rep, and get ripped to pieces, sometimes for months, called liars and scammers and worse.

then when the rep isn't here everyone is like, where's the rep.

I understand maybe he doesn't want the bs, but putting the thread on cruise control isn't right either
 
I agree it would be nice if the rep. was here, and is needed from time to time to resolve issues.

to play devil's advocate for a moment, I see the reps show up, state upfront they are a rep, and get ripped to pieces, sometimes for months, called liars and scammers and worse.

then when the rep isn't here everyone is like, where's the rep.

I understand maybe he doesn't want the bs, but putting the thread on cruise control isn't right either
If a Source comes to Meso they better get used to the flamming, or Kick Rocks. You need thick skin on Meso and personally I like it. Throw all the bullshit out and state the facts with proof.
 
I know and I'm not saying his apparent disinterest is right or good business.

just COULD be a reason why.

close his mouth and let people assume he's a fool, rather than open his mouth and remove all doubt.
 
If a Source comes to Meso they better get used to the flamming, or Kick Rocks. You need thick skin on Meso and personally I like it. Throw all the bullshit out and state the facts with proof.

I agree 100%. But on other hand his test deff shows not bunk. I personally think they are ok results. I also after I'm done with his gear I doubt I'll order again. I just don't care for this lab. Only reason I did was its domestic. Unless they become more active like PD or pcom and how 24 was I'm deff not ordering again.
 
Saw this study on another board. Looked over it . . . looks like 12 healthy men took 600mg of Test E week of pharma grade . . . average test was 23xx in the subjects. Looks like that is about a 3.50 X dosage.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

Its good for sources to put in batch numbers. If one person is at 3X and another person is at 6X on the same batch then it could very well be differences how body handles juice.
 
Saw this study on another board. Looked over it . . . looks like 12 healthy men took 600mg of Test E week of pharma grade . . . average test was 23xx in the subjects. Looks like that is about a 3.50 X dosage.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

I don't believe 10x rule. I go by my own bloods compared to my own bloods. I like seeing others results so I know it's not plain oil or 60% under dosed. I think the quality is here with this lab as of now. But just don't have that warm fuzzy feeling.
 
probably because he obviously cares about his orders/money more than about his customers.

regardless of why he isn't here, it shows poor customer service
 
So I'm seeing a lot of conflicting opinions on how to interpret the t level. Some are saying that it shows it low and others are saying that everyone will respond differently. I tend to be of the school of thought that everyone will respond differently to substances so wouldn't we need a much larger test group to prove anything? And like I saw earlier there is no control listed as his normal levels or truly knowing how much was used...


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The harsh reality is that no matter how much tests and blood work that gets done it will never be good enough for some ppl on here. Everything has to be picked to peices and complained about one way or the other, atleast we know this gear isnt bs and that should be good enough. Even if its not the best shit around atleast its not fake and atleast its not a scam
 
The harsh reality is that no matter how much tests and blood work that gets done it will never be good enough for some ppl on here. Everything has to be picked to peices and complained about one way or the other, atleast we know this gear isnt bs and that should be good enough. Even if its not the best shit around atleast its not fake and atleast its not a scam

So true.
 
Saw this study on another board. Looked over it . . . looks like 12 healthy men took 600mg of Test E week of pharma grade . . . average test was 23xx in the subjects. Looks like that is about a 3.50 X dosage.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

Its good for sources to put in batch numbers. If one person is at 3X and another person is at 6X on the same batch then it could very well be differences how body handles juice.

I would strongly suggest re-reading that study.

The serum levels in that study are all nadir values, they were drawn when test levels are the lowest before the next pin.

We test for peak values when drawing bloods - and that 2300 at nadir could easily be double or triple that at peak. This changes a little bit when dosing is split, but this study was done on a single weekly dose.
 
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