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[Deleted member 123722]

You could have just kept the primo and reduced everything by 50 percent. Or just ran 200T, 200 primo.

I guess I could, but suppose Primo has lowered my E2, the test alone will raise estrogen, and I may even grow a bit better while I'm here.

 

[God&Gainz]

Have you ever tried a low carb approach?

I struggled to get lean for a very long time because I was taught you needed at least 200g of carbs a day and anything less was asinine.

It wasn't until I questioned this mentality and started to cycle carbs (50g) on low days I broke through a massive plateau.

Yeah you feel weak and less pumped but when you do refeed it is a beautiful thing.

Also IME LISS is not the best bang for your buck. If you did HIIT for 15-20 minutes you would burn fat for hours after you've left the gym.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Have you ever tried a low carb approach?

I struggled to get lean for a very long time because I was taught you needed at least 200g of carbs a day and anything less was asinine.

It wasn't until I questioned this mentality and started to cycle carbs (50g) on low days I broke through a massive plateau.

Yeah you feel weak and less pumped but when you do refeed it is a beautiful thing.

Also IME LISS is not the best bang for your buck. If you did HIIT for 15-20 minutes you would burn fat for hours after you've left the gym.

Yea I've done carb cycling when I first did my cut in 2017. I've learned for me it makes no difference at all; if you average the weekly numbers, you're eating the same calories everyday, and you can simply eat that average daily intake and get the same exact results, so this approach is mostly useful to diet adherence: for people who look forward to high days as a treat to keep going. I'm able to eat the same calories in and out without an issue.

From the research I've seen, HIIT and LISS ultimately will burn around the same amount of calories for the day, but HIIT actually drains glycogen stores and causes more fatigue than LISS, which interferes with recovery, especially legs days, which is why no pros do HIIT.

 

[God&Gainz]

I meant cutting your carbs lower in general, like 200mg high carb day 2x a weel and 100mg low carb days.

You would get like 30-40% of the carbs you are getting now. I didn't get under 12% until I started doing this.

Sometimes you can read all the studies you want but until you apply it you don't know if that could be the one tweak you are missing.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I meant cutting your carbs lower in general, like 200mg high carb day 2x a weel and 100mg low carb days.

You would get like 30-40% of the carbs you are getting now. I didn't get under 12% until I started doing this.

Sometimes you can read all the studies you want but until you apply it you don't know if that could be the one tweak you are missing.

I get what you're saying, however, it is impossible that carb-cycling can violate the laws of thermodynamics. At the end of the week, if the deficit of calories are the same, you will lose the same amount fat. The only thing that carb cycling may help would be with insulin sensitivity, but that too is dependent on calories as well.

So if you are doing 3000, 3000, 2500, 2500, 2000, 2000, 2000, your average weekly deficit is actually 2430 calories.

If I simply ate 2430 calories per day, I'd see the same exactly results as you.

 

[God&Gainz]

I get what you're saying, however, it is impossible that carb-cycling can violate the laws of thermodynamics. At the end of the week, if the deficit of calories are the same, you will lose the same amount fat. The only thing that carb cycling may help would be with insulin sensitivity, but that too is dependent on calories as well.

So if you are doing 3000, 3000, 2500, 2500, 2000, 2000, 2000, your average weekly deficit is actually 2430 calories.

If I simply ate 2430 calories per day, I'd see the same exactly results as you.

I have heard this with the IIFYM approach but not all calories are created equal.

Would you look the same as me if my calories were all from clean protein sources and yours were all from fat but we were in an equal deficit?

 

[Rido]

I have heard this with the IIFYM approach but not all calories are created equal.

Would you look the same as me if my calories were all from clean protein sources and yours were all from fat but we were in an equal deficit?

agreed. There is a TEF of macros too. specifically protein

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I have heard this with the IIFYM approach but not all calories are created equal.

Would you look the same as me if my calories were all from clean protein sources and yours were all from fat but we were in an equal deficit?

If protein is equated, yes; we will achieve the same amount of fat loss, while sparring muscle. But if one is doing keto, I'd say they would look flatter rather than fuller than someone dieting with higher-carbs.

IIFYM is not about eating total shit; its about eating mostly 80-90% "clean" food, while allowing you to get 20-10% of whatever you like, which helps avoid binging and other things that come with a super-restrictive approach to dieting.



CICO is always true and valid.

This was just him proving a point about CICO; this diet would eventually fuck your health up an certainly not give you the best body composition over time lol.

Is IIFYM optimal for a bodybuilder trying to get to 5%? Probably not. But for the normal person, it's much better to do IIFYM than kill themselves trying to eat flawlessly like a bodybuilder, as most people do not have the discipline to stick to simple meals, and will stop dieting all together, if they are too restrictive.