Recent Hcg data??

[Jerkthamerk]

I didn't think you were being confrontational at all buddy. I was being serious about sending anything you find to me. You and I are alike, we both like the continued education. I've been growing my winter cycle around for months now and still can't make up my mind lol Hell, I just finished my last cycle a few days ago, but like to be prepared.

I've never run hcg, but I'm on TRT. I do agree blasting before pct seems like the logical way to use it. Then again, every time a new compound comes out it seems like its best, but to find out later it's not.

No, I was referring to other members. Not you. It's fine to question anything around here but when it comes to questioning things that everyone considers fact, then it's not. I started a thread back about posting TA times and everyone lost their shit, lol. I knew it was most likely not the best thing to do and probably wouldn't start threads about it but why would everyone get so pissed just literally discussing how I logically could be a problem. They think I'm dense or something but if your bored on a forum with thousands of threads, it's just another discussion. And most of the time if things were discussed more the outcome most of the time is that opinions sway somewhat. People forget it's not a Q &A forum it's a discussion forum and they are not experts. Hell everyone thought the world was flat for a long damn time, and that's what a lot sound like...... " it's flat dude, Jesus let it go!" Haha

 

[Geterdun]

Unfortunately you and I already agreed to disagree on that subject lol

You need thick skin on Meso and I like it that way.

 

[Dr JIM]

Sublingual hcg is what everyone was using when that fad diet came out. I just did some research and it is not sublingual. So even if the "homeopathic hcg" actually has hcg in it, which I doubt. Then it doesn't work. This is crazy to me because I have known so many people that have taken these drops. I can't believe they are legal to sell. It's like selling vodka lotion to get drunk. Lol

@Dr JIM I am just looking for info to support hcg use to weigh how important it is for someone at my stage. A few years ago a lot of people swore by hcg homeopathic diet also and that's how old the information for AAS and hcg is. Just making sure that it is still supported and what its importance is.

"Work" for what?

As a TRT agent? In general yes depending upon the cause of hypogonadism.


For PCT that's another issue bc
the use of HCG for PCT is almost exclusively based on TRT evidence!

 

[Jerkthamerk]

"Work" for what?

As a TRT agent? In general yes depending upon the cause of hypogonadism.


For PCT that's another issue bc
the use of HCG for PCT is almost exclusively based on TRT evidence!

Work,...for the hcg diet,.... For weight loss,... Cause it's a hcg diet.

You are very knowledgable and your advise is usually sound. But just a recommendation, you need to work on your social skills. I'm not arguing at all. I'm actually asking questions and learning. You come off quite hostile in the posts I've read. I've never used hcg and have not been stating facts, only what I have heard so it can be corrected.

The only knowledge I have of hcg is that it was used for weight loss sublingually a while back for a bullshit 500 cal. Diet. And that it turned out obviously it was the 500 Cala that was loosing them weight. After doing research it turns out hcg is not sublingual due to its molecular structure. Then I started reading everyone shooting it as part of their cycle to help with recovery. That is the extent of my hcg knowledge and why I have started this thread. So far there has been no progress attributed to this thread. Only people's opinions wether or not it's necessary for my level of AAS use.

 

[Ryno1980]

I'd also love to find updated info on hcg... like @Dr JIM just stated , most all evidence of successful use of hcg during pct is based off of trt information. I have read some very interesting opinions and a few studies on hcg during cycle as well as for pct but like op stated, everything is several years old.
I chose to use hcg during cycle for the simple fact that I like my balls to hang full and feel normal.. plain and simple..I have noticed that besides normal testicular function, I just plain feel better when using an hcg protocol on cycle vs without. 250 iu every 4 days or 500 iu a week is where I've kept it and have never had a reason to increase the dosage...

 

[Jerkthamerk]

I'd also love to find updated info on hcg... like @Dr JIM just stated , most all evidence of successful use of hcg during pct is based off of trt information. I have read some very interesting opinions and a few studies on hcg during cycle as well as for pct but like op stated, everything is several years old.
I chose to use hcg during cycle for the simple fact that I like my balls to hang full and feel normal.. plain and simple..I have noticed that besides normal testicular function, I just plain feel better when using an hcg protocol on cycle vs without. 250 iu every 4 days or 500 iu a week is where I've kept it and have never had a reason to increase the dosage...

Thank you for posting. I am looking for info on cycle mostly but any recent info would help. I'm hoping there is more evidence to support the recovery aspect or fertility. I could care less if my nuts stay same size, mostly because it makes my monster cock look even larger... Lol. But seriously it doesn't matter to me much the size aspect so much as the helping fertility because I'm 30 and will either have kids in the next couple years or not at all.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I've used sublingual prescribed hcg on my trt.

I can stare with 100% that the sublingual does not do the job it's suppose to do.

If you are going to use, just inject. Huge difference


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[Jerkthamerk]

So they actually prescribe sublingual?

 

[Ryno1980]

Thank you for posting. I am looking for info on cycle mostly but any recent info would help. I'm hoping there is more evidence to support the recovery aspect or fertility. I could care less if my nuts stay same size, mostly because it makes my monster cock look even larger... Lol. But seriously it doesn't matter to me much the size aspect so much as the helping fertility because I'm 30 and will either have kids in the next couple years or not at all.

I've spent a lot of time looking for reliable info for this same reason, the idea that I would like to be able to keep my firtility... I have found a few studies where hcg was prescribed in very large doses to men who were on trt doses of testosterone , along with clomid to promote fertility but I've never been able to find any data that shows how successful this protocol is. I've read that it is possible, but how successful is still a question to me... good luck with your search brother...

 

[Roger rabbit]

So they actually prescribe sublingual?

Yes. I've had them prescribed to me. I tried because they were half the cost of prescription hcg in injectable form.




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[Ryno1980]

Yes. I've had them prescribed to me. I tried because they were half the cost of prescription hcg in injectable form.




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Out of curiosity, how much does hcg in injectable form cost you? And are u using insurance or doing without

 

[Roger rabbit]

Out of curiosity, how much does hcg in injectable form cost you? And are u using insurance or doing without

No insurance it was 125$ for 5000 iu
And 175$ for 11000 iu.

Extremely expensive.

The sublingual were around 80$

Edit: I get for much cheaper now. 60$ for pharm now for 5000 iu


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[Jerkthamerk]

This is an exerp from the hcg wiki site. Notice at the bottom it talks about how sublingual doesn't work, no idea if this is reliable.



Homeopathic HCG for weight controlEdit
Controversy about, and shortages[44] of, injected HCG for weight loss have led to substantial Internet promotion of "homeopathicHCG" for weight control. The ingredients in these products are often obscure, but if prepared from true HCG via homeopathic dilution, they contain either no HCG at all or only trace amounts. Moreover, it is highly unlikely that oral HCG is bioavailable due to the fact that digestive protease enzymes and hepatic metabolism renders peptide-based molecules (such as insulin and human growth hormone) biologically inert. HCG can likely only enter the bloodstream through injection.

 

[Docd187123]

FDA-approved HCG products are only available in injection-form and require a prescription from a licensed medical professional.

Questions and Answers on HCG Products for Weight Loss

 

[Dr JIM]

Work,...for the hcg diet,.... For weight loss,... Cause it's a hcg diet.

You are very knowledgable and your advise is usually sound. But just a recommendation, you need to work on your social skills. I'm not arguing at all. I'm actually asking questions and learning. You come off quite hostile in the posts I've read. I've never used hcg and have not been stating facts, only what I have heard so it can be corrected.

The only knowledge I have of hcg is that it was used for weight loss sublingually a while back for a bullshit 500 cal. Diet. And that it turned out obviously it was the 500 Cala that was loosing them weight. After doing research it turns out hcg is not sublingual due to its molecular structure. Then I started reading everyone shooting it as part of their cycle to help with recovery. That is the extent of my hcg knowledge and why I have started this thread. So far there has been no progress attributed to this thread. Only people's opinions wether or not it's necessary for my level of AAS use.

OMG
Why don't you try being less defensive and cease all the jousting with not only myself but with others.

Stated another way FUCK OFF!

 

[Jerkthamerk]

@Dr JIM Defensive? Please explain?

Also you have just proven my point that you are a complete asshole. Others have said that you know a lot of good info but I'm sure everyone else agrees it isn't worth a fuck if you have to put up with your attitude. All you do is bash people. Take a fucking Xanax or find a different board. The entire purpose of meso is for people to ask questions and exchange information. If you can't handle that then you should probably .... FUCK OFF. Just a little punk bitch about every single thing.

 

[Roger rabbit]

The main basis of why people use in theory is to ensure if they want babies in the future then they use on cycle or before pct etc.

If you aren't worried about having babies in the future then don't worry about hcg.

I did forget to mention, the other theory is it jump starts everything to make the transition into pct more smooth and to help accelerate the process of recovery. But, the main reason I use, is because I might want another kid in a few years.

Edit: @drjim seems like a total dick, but understand he sees these kind of posts in all the years he has been around over and over so, I'm sure his frustration becomes high. What you must do with dr Jim is don't be quick to get defensive but rather analyze what he is saying and 99.99% of the time he is right. Sometimes that stings and comes off grumpy but he grows on you like mold over time and you appreciate him [emoji16]


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[Jerkthamerk]

The main basis of why people use in theory is to ensure if they want babies in the future then they use on cycle or before pct etc.

If you aren't worried about having babies in the future then don't worry about hcg.

I did forget to mention, the other theory is it jump starts everything to make the transition into pct more smooth and to help accelerate the process of recovery. But, the main reason I use, is because I might want another kid in a few years.

Edit: @drjim seems like a total dick, but understand he sees these kind of posts in all the years he has been around over and over so, I'm sure his frustration becomes high. What you must do with dr Jim is don't be quick to get defensive but rather analyze what he is saying and 99.99% of the time he is right. Sometimes that stings and comes off grumpy but he grows on you like mold over time and you appreciate him [emoji16]


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This is what I understand as well. Thanks for posting and adding to the discussion with experience based info. Some other people struggle with this. Now I'm looking for data from studies to support these theories and if our understanding is still valid. Things change so much over time anymore. I was just reading something about it being used as a way to raise low t levels but not sure of its credibility. I will keep reading.

OMG
Why don't you try being less defensive and cease all the jousting with not only myself but with others.

Stated another way FUCK OFF!

See how that works, he decided to add to the discussion. Unlike your ignorant ass. Are you a real doc? If you were my doctor and acted like a know it all while being a complete asshole I would smack the taste out of your fucking mouth. Learn to contribute or shut the fuck up!

 

[D-max]

I was prescribed sublingual hcg from my trt doc. Came from the pharmacy. They said it's just as effective. I asked. Right or wrong? Don't know. I had never heard of it that way until then.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I believe if we take out steroid cycles etc and use the hcg on the premise of a standalone off label use then it would raise the testosterone level for a short period. This will not however, in my understanding keep that level raised forever. But how much would it raise? Don't know. Never just used it on its own off cycle to see what it did. But, I'm sure there are studies somewhere showing this.

@D-max don't buy this sublingual. If you notice you have to take more per week when prescribed those as the rate of delivery is not as great and I could tell it did not do nearly as much as the injectable


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