Recent Hcg data??

[Jerkthamerk]

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Questions and Answers on HCG Products for Weight Loss

There are two people that were prescribed sublingual hcg. How is this possible with what you say?

I believe if we take out steroid cycles etc and use the hcg on the premise of a standalone off label use then it would raise the testosterone level for a short period. This will not however, in my understanding keep that level raised forever. But how much would it raise? Don't know. Never just used it on its own off cycle to see what it did. But, I'm sure there are studies somewhere showing this.

@D-max don't buy this sublingual. If you notice you have to take more per week when prescribed those as the rate of delivery is not as great and I could tell it did not do nearly as much as the injectable


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Maybe that's why it is possible to rejuvenate test levels like what I was reading before. At first I though there might not be much to hcg usage but now I'm glad I made this thread, maybe there's a lot more to it. I'm still having trouble finding study's with science to back up the results. Obviously there is benefit I just would like to find out how much.

I was prescribed sublingual hcg from my trt doc. Came from the pharmacy. They said it's just as effective. I asked. Right or wrong? Don't know. I had never heard of it that way until then.

Did your trt doc speak in any depth on what he prescribed it for and how exactly he understood it? Thanks

 

[Roger rabbit]

I have a email from my trt doc if I can find it. Probably a year old explaining the sub lingual hcg. ( might take me a second to find) But they try to spin it as it's the same as injecting but you don't have to inject. The only thing is you have to take more of it to get the desired effect.

It's made in a compound pharmacy. That's how most trt places get around their ways of making different things such as GAC, etc.


Everything posted is for entertainment value only.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

http://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php?6256-What-Every-Man-Should-Know-About-HCG-Testosterone-and-Testicular-Size (What Every Man Should Know About HCG, Testosterone and Testicular Size.)

This is a good summary of some studies. A huge question I have about hcg is if it could eliminate pct!?! Hear me out. In a lot of these studies at around 500iu/week intratesticular testosterone was actually raised while on cycle which leads me to believe hcg counteracts the shutdown of the testes. I've only seen one study that said it raised the testosterone levels in the blood but I think that was the only one that tested. Granted all of these studies were done on testosterone replacement therapy (trt) but hcg took the place of LH. Usually LH and FSH are responsible for normal testicular function but while on trt these hormones are suppressed. Hcg mimics the LH and your testicles resume normal testosterone and semen production surprisingly without FSH. So I would think at higher doses ( since cycles are higher doses than trt) the same would happen on cycle. Wouldn't this mean the testes never shut down and therefor there is no need to start them back up via serms? It seems completely logical but all the studies are for trt. Therefore the test subjects never come off test to see. What do you think.

 

[LastSonOfKrypton518]

http://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php?6256-What-Every-Man-Should-Know-About-HCG-Testosterone-and-Testicular-Size (What Every Man Should Know About HCG, Testosterone and Testicular Size.)

This is a good summary of some studies. A huge question I have about hcg is if it could eliminate pct!?! Hear me out. In a lot of these studies at around 500iu/week intratesticular testosterone was actually raised while on cycle which leads me to believe hcg counteracts the shutdown of the testes. I've only seen one study that said it raised the testosterone levels in the blood but I think that was the only one that tested. Granted all of these studies were done on testosterone replacement therapy (trt) but hcg took the place of LH. Usually LH and FSH are responsible for normal testicular function but while on trt these hormones are suppressed. Hcg mimics the LH and your testicles resume normal testosterone and semen production surprisingly without FSH. So I would think at higher doses ( since cycles are higher doses than trt) the same would happen on cycle. Wouldn't this mean the testes never shut down and therefor there is no need to start them back up via serms? It seems completely logical but all the studies are for trt. Therefore the test subjects never come off test to see. What do you think.

hcg is suppressive too and too much will make your nuts less sensitive. it can do some damage to the ledig cells. I've read it on a study somewhere. but you are correct testies stay working cuz of the fake lh signal, but it just like anything if your body isn't making it by itself when you stop hcg your test level will crash, thats why clomid and nolva are needed to actually send out a lh signal. all i can say is try hcg for yourself and find what works for you. but it does make recovery a lot easier esp with cycles that include 19nors.

 

[Docd187123]

There are two people that were prescribed sublingual hcg. How is this possible with what you say?



Maybe that's why it is possible to rejuvenate test levels like what I was reading before. At first I though there might not be much to hcg usage but now I'm glad I made this thread, maybe there's a lot more to it. I'm still having trouble finding study's with science to back up the results. Obviously there is benefit I just would like to find out how much.



Did your trt doc speak in any depth on what he prescribed it for and how exactly he understood it? Thanks

People have to earn a living and the American public is a gullible bunch for the most part.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

hcg is suppressive too and too much will make your nuts less sensitive. it can do some damage to the ledig cells. I've read it on a study somewhere. but you are correct testies stay working cuz of the fake lh signal, but it just like anything if your body isn't making it by itself when you stop hcg your test level will crash, thats why clomid and nolva are needed to actually send out a lh signal. all i can say is try hcg for yourself and find what works for you. but it does make recovery a lot easier esp with cycles that include 19nors.

That makes sense. Like I said before just trying to learn. I didn't know hcg was suppressive itself. I think I did read it was hard on ledig cells. If you were on hcg during cycle the only thing that would be suppressed would be the LH and FSH right? Because the ITT would be good and your nuts would be producing natural test albeit tricked into it by "fake" LH. So would there be a way around this by extending hcg beyond the cycle a while? Or would the LH not start up after test was stopped because of the presence of fake LH? It seems possible extending hcg past cycle and tapering off of it could be viable.

Again this might all be bullshit but what's the harm of having a thread trying to learn new shit.

 

[Roger rabbit]

This is why many blast the hcg few weeks before coming off. For the reason you just mentioned.

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[Jerkthamerk]

This is why many blast the hcg few weeks before coming off. For the reason you just mentioned.

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I would be very curious to see blood work right after extended hcg and before pct.

If nothing else maybe it could drastically cut down on length and strength of pct. That would be awesome.

 

[Docd187123]

I would be very curious to see blood work right after extended hcg and before pct.

If nothing else maybe it could drastically cut down on length and strength of pct. That would be awesome.

HCG helps sensitize the Leydig cells to LH but bc it's a LH analog it shuts down production of LH at the pituitary. After discontinuing it's use, SERMs then function to stimulate LH production. It doesn't really affect SERM treatment as much as you'd think.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

@Docd187123 So what else is shut down without the use of hcg? With it it is only the LE and FSH right? So it has to be easier recovery to stimulate just LE rather than LE and FSH and ITT ( intratesticular testosterone) and whatever else.

 

[LastSonOfKrypton518]

That makes sense. Like I said before just trying to learn. I didn't know hcg was suppressive itself. I think I did read it was hard on ledig cells. If you were on hcg during cycle the only thing that would be suppressed would be the LH and FSH right? Because the ITT would be good and your nuts would be producing natural test albeit tricked into it by "fake" LH. So would there be a way around this by extending hcg beyond the cycle a while? Or would the LH not start up after test was stopped because of the presence of fake LH? It seems possible extending hcg past cycle and tapering off of it could be viable.

Again this might all be bullshit but what's the harm of having a thread trying to learn new shit.

tbh my best results was use it before the ester of the coonpounds clear right before pct.. think about it your taking stuff to surprise your production why fight it the whole length of the cycle? and just prime them up with hcg to regain size when you are ready for pct. just my thoughts, I've done it both ways and thats what i prefer but it your choice what you do. hcg does speed up recovery a lot

 

[Docd187123]

@Docd187123 So what else is shut down without the use of hcg? With it it is only the LE and FSH right? So it has to be easier recovery to stimulate just LE rather than LE and FSH and ITT ( intratesticular testosterone) and whatever else.

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question properly.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Take a fucking Xanax or find a different board.

Hilarious! The guy who has only been here a month is telling the guy who has been here for 6 years how to behave on Meso or go to another board. Thanks for the laugh, Jerkandtwerk.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

Hilarious! The guy who has only been here a month is telling the guy who has been here for 6 years how to behave on Meso or go to another board. Thanks for the laugh, Jerkandtwerk.

Here we go, what's even more hilarious is a guy with the handle censoredboardssuck telling someone what they can and can't post. And also commenting on me telling someone what to post. Seems a little contradicting to me. Do you even read the shit that was said? I actually hope you didn't, because as the person of "authority" around here it would be a little fucked if you thought it was ok on an unmoderated discussion board focused on harm prevention, for someone to call someone out for trying to have a discussion to learn about hcg.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

Here we go, what's even more hilarious is a guy with the handle censoredboardssuck telling someone what they can and can't post. And also commenting on me telling someone what to post. Seems a little contradicting to me. Do you even read the shit that was said? I actually hope you didn't, because as the person of "authority" around here it would be a little fucked if you thought it was ok on an unmoderated discussion board focused on harm prevention, for someone to call someone out for trying to have a discussion to learn about hcg.

You have created this atmosphere here where every fuckstick with a well-known-member status thinks he can pop into and thread where someone hasn't been on Meso for as long and flame the fuck out of them. The fucked up part is if you took the time to look, most of these newer Wkm's have ridiculous post to likes received ratios. It's obviously either the buddy system or a multiple handle user liking every comment to get status. 16,000 likes recieved with only 6,000 comments?!? Come the fuck on!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Here we go, what's even more hilarious is a guy with the handle censoredboardssuck telling someone what they can and can't post.

Show me where I told someone what they can and can't post? I'll wait.

And also commenting on me telling someone what to post. Seems a little contradicting to me.

Since you're the one whining about being told what you can post, yes, you have contradicted yourself. Bravo!

Do you even read the shit that was said?

I did but it's pretty obvious that you haven't.

I actually hope you didn't, because as the person of "authority" around here it would be a little fucked yo if you thought it was ok on an unmoderated discussion board focused on harm prevention, for someone to call someone out for trying to have a discussion to learn about hcg.

No idea what you're trying to say with this mess. Looks like Google translate dropped the ball on this one. Lmao

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You have created this atmosphere here where every fuckstick with a well-known-member status thinks he can pop into and thread where someone hasn't been on Meso for as long and flame the fuck out of them. The fucked up part is if you took the time to look, most of these newer Wkm's have ridiculous post to likes received ratios. It's obviously either the buddy system or a multiple handle user liking every comment to get status. 16,000 likes recieved with only 6,000 comments?!? Come the fuck on!

If you stop post whoring, you might be able to raise the quality of your posts. Improving your poor grammar is probably a bridge too far but you might be able to convey a specific idea clearly enough that the reader will be able to figure out what you're trying to say.

You should think about it because 90% or the posts from you that I've seen are incomprehensible. Quality over quantity, son.

 

[Jerkthamerk]

No idea what you're trying to say with this mess. Looks like Google translate dropped the ball on this one. Lmao

Because it was missing some punctuation and the letters yo were somehow inserted? Next time I will have a group of peers proofread and edit it for you since you seem a little slow.

I did but it's pretty obvious that you haven't.

Oh, isn't this what I just said to you?

Show me where I told someone what they can and can't post? I'll wait.

Here...

Hilarious! The guy who has only been here a month is telling the guy who has been here for 6 years how to behave on Meso or go to another board. Thanks for the laugh, Jerkandtwerk.

This entire post above was insinuating that I should not have told him to behave or go to another board.... Are you thick man?

 

[Jerkthamerk]

If you stop post whoring, you might be able to raise the quality of your posts. Improving your poor grammar is probably a bridge too far but you might be able to convey a specific idea clearly enough that the reader will be able to figure out what you're trying to say.

You should think about it because 90% or the posts from you that I've seen are incomprehensible. Quality over quantity, son.

Is it 90% or the posts? You should probably have spell checked your post accusing me of having bad grammar guy.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Because it was missing some punctuation and the letters yo were somehow inserted? Next time I will have a group of peers proofread and edit it for you since you seem a little slow.

You can't formulate a proper sentence but I'm the slow one here? LMFAO

But I agree, you should definitely have someone proofread your rambling, incomprehensible posts.

This entire post above was insinuating that I should not have told him to behave or go to another board.... Are you thick man?

The entire post was insinuating that you're an idiot noob, period. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.