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gustav957

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Since it seems there’s alot of knowledge here I might just jump in regarding my problem.

I came off completely end of August last year after being on for several years. Used HCG 6 weeks before coming off. I was completely shut down (1,3 nmol/l) up until end of October when my pct kicked in. 30 October my T was 7,5 nmol/l and 3.3 LH. 1 week later (6 november) 12 nmol/l 3.8 L LH
30 November when my pct ended I had 19 nmol/l T (no idea about LH).

4 Weeks later after my pct I began feeling like shit again (tired anxious, low sexdrive etc etc. 15 January I took another test showing 9.2 nmol/l.
31 January another test was done showing 8.7 nmol/l and 3.6 iu LH, 1.5 FSH

I have no idea what to do my bros. Am I just to wait longer? Doing another pct seems pointless since my levels probaly will go down again.

Best regards
 
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Ur at about 6 months I'm sure ur just shut down hard especially if u were running a 19 nor , that's the longest I've been off, It sucked. I tapped out ang got back on low dose test an felt great.

U are at the point now u gota decide if u wana suffer a few more months and see what happens or get on trt. Depending on ur goals health fertility ect.

Good luck man.
 
laclark89 said:
Ur at about 6 months I'm sure ur just shut down hard especially if u were running a 19 nor , that's the longest I've been off, It sucked. I tapped out ang got back on low dose test an felt great.

U are at the point now u gota decide if u wana suffer a few more months and see what happens or get on trt. Depending on ur goals health fertility ect.

Good luck man.
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Thanks for your reply bro. Havent used a 19-nor for like 2 years. Yeah I was curious whether I was secondary hypo or primary. I want to ride this out even though it might take a few more months. Just looking for some hope here that I’m not completely doomed and trt is the only option.
 
gustav957 said:
Thanks for your reply bro. Havent used a 19-nor for like 2 years. Yeah I was curious whether I was secondary hypo or primary. I want to ride this out even though it might take a few more months. Just looking for some hope here that I’m not completely doomed and trt is the only option.
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I wouldn’t give up hope man. There are some really good logs on here where guys have shared their success with re gaining production / fertility. Maybe check some of those out and see if you can find some good information

Best of luck brother.
 
I would TRT, life's too short to endure a long B&C recovery. Also you have no guarantee that your testes will be doing as good as pre cycle, maybe you killed some leydig cells in the way permanently. Who knows... B&C is a permanent decision.

Tell me someone who have recovered from long B&C to >700ng/dL natty levels.
 
And what are/were your estrogens? HCG can be or is estrogenic. The only PCT I ever did my testosterone never came back and estrogens were in the 450 range.
No blood test is complete without “E2 ultra-sensitive” value also. Might as well throw in prolactin. Just because you aren’t/didn’t use 19-nors doesn’t mean you won’t have elevated prolactin.

I am not a fan of PCT. I never did it in my 20s and I still layed pipe consistently without even a dip in interest or performance. The decades between I definitely didn’t have low “t”.
Only in my late 50s did I try PCT and it was a disaster. This late in life I resigned myself to TRT. A younger man should bounce back naturally, unless they were low T before, like half the male populatin it seems today.

Comprehensive hormone panels, done at frequent intervals, is the only way to do this gear game.
 
kosp said:
I would TRT, life's too short to endure a long B&C recovery. Also you have no guarantee that your testes will be doing as good as pre cycle, maybe you killed some leydig cells in the way permanently. Who knows... B&C is a permanent decision.

Tell me someone who have recovered from long B&C to >70
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Exactly this. If your in your 20-30 range of age go ahead and try. Be warned, your swimmers may return, and it only takes one as far as a pregnancy is concerned. Just hope that lil squiggler ain't fucked up.


I was 38, and sons mother 25, at pregnancy. My son is " special" in many regards, 4lbs at birth and a host of several ailments. I'd been mostly blasting for more than 10. Years by then. No, it wasn't planned.
 
Whopperflopper said:
Exactly this. If your in your 20-30 range of age go ahead and try. Be warned, your swimmers may return, and it only takes one as far as a pregnancy is concerned. Just hope that lil squiggler ain't fucked up.


I was 38, and sons mother 25, at pregnancy. My son is " special" in many regards, 4lbs at birth and a host of several ailments. I'd been mostly blasting for more than 10. Years by then. No, it wasn't planned.
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Interesting, my dad had me an my little brother after years of aas and drug an alcohol use. No pct back then, just test decca dbol and coke.

I think my dads around 38 with me and 42with my little brother, we were both premes.
My little brother was much smaller and weaker and was on a be ventilator In the icu for a month 2 I think.

Hope his ailments can be improved upon
Kids are a blessing. Changed my outlook on life.
 


laclark89 said:
Hope his ailments can be improved upon
Kids are a blessing. Changed my outlook on life.
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They are a blessing, changed my outlook on life, and I increased my levels of responsibility for the better.
That woman never married me, he lives with me and she sees him whenever she likes.

My son's major issue is rare, called Acalaysia. Basically a narrowing of the esophagus opening to the stomach, and the impairment of nerves, and muscles that pushed food. Down to stomach.
 
OP,
I would get more Nolvadex and try running it for another 8 weeks or so @20/40MG ED. The longer the better honestly, but after blasting and cruising that long, you're going to need TRT significantly earlier than if you hadn't blasted.

Try additional PCT, and give it some time. It does take quite a bit of time to recovery unfortunately. Maybe wait a year, get blood work, if you still have Low T and low T systems then maybe look into TRT
 
gustav957 said:
Since it seems there’s alot of knowledge here I might just jump in regarding my problem.

I came off completely end of August last year after being on for several years. Used HCG 6 weeks before coming off. I was completely shut down (1,3 nmol/l) up until end of October when my pct kicked in. 30 October my T was 7,5 nmol/l and 3.3 LH. 1 week later (6 november) 12 nmol/l 3.8 L LH
30 November when my pct ended I had 19 nmol/l T (no idea about LH).

4 Weeks later after my pct I began feeling like shit again (tired anxious, low sexdrive etc etc. 15 January I took another test showing 9.2 nmol/l.
31 January another test was done showing 8.7 nmol/l and 3.6 iu LH, 1.5 FSH

I have no idea what to do my bros. Am I just to wait longer? Doing another pct seems pointless since my levels probaly will go down again.

Best regards
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Hey my man! I am in a very similar boat as you! I do t know how old you are but I’m 49, b$c for 7 or 8 years. Went off in august so I’m technically about the 5 month range or so after ester clearance.

One thing I noticed immediately is my estro was out of whack often which confused me. I figured if I had low t, I’d have low e. Well that’s somewhat true, what it more likely is for me is my ratio is off. Another user told me that for him when he pct’s, his natural test production, as low as it is aromatizes a ton. I ran nolva for 6 weeks after ester clearance, didn’t feel that bad overall until I could tell my e2 was either “high” or ratio was off. I’m one of those that can tell it’s off. I get greasy as hell, my belly balloons, and I’m tired all the time. Pop an asin and I’m good for a few days.

So fast forward to end of November and get bloods. I only checked test, tsh, and psa. Test was expectedly low at 156 (250 to 827 normal). I didn’t get e2 though I should have being that I constantly have to take an ai. So with that I decided another round of nolva was in order because I was starting to have low energy again (granted could have been the ai but I dont think so).

Fast forward to now. I STILL get greasy and a belly and fatigue. I am die for bloods in march at the proper 6 month mark but I’m starting to wonder if my taking the ai is causing my test to convert to DHT, which is making that high! High DHT can cause greasy skin…I can’t explain the balloon belly or fatigue, but I think I’m going to check e2, DHT, shbg and test at next bloods. I fully expected a long recovery, up to a year.

I’d say give it time. If you’re still feeling like shit maybe get that e2 and test checked…maybe ratio is off?
 
Look into doing a single shot of 100 mcg Triptorelin. You can get pharma grade if you look through some of the trans diy sources.

Clearly your nuts work because you were able to get to 19 nmol. Would've been nice to know what your LH was then.

It's a long process. Pete Rubish took about 2 years to make a full recovery. But he got up into the 500s after 9 years bnc.

Also, check your SHBG and free T. I've seen a lot of guys who have lower T after coming off but many have lower SHBG and as a result free T is not so bad.
 
UPDATE 20240219 bloods taken today and got my results back

testosteron 12,6 nmol/L
P-SHBG 30,4 nmol/L
P testosteron/SHBG 0,41
P-FSH 1,8 ie/L
P-LH 3,1 ie/L
Prolactin 184 Mie/L

LH still low it seems like. But I guess I can rule out primary hypogonadism now right?

Thanks for everyones responses. I’ve read them all!
 
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