Recovery After A 16 Month Cycle..

[Dillon_21]

Shape of sperm. Two heads, triangle heads. Just fucked up

What compounds exactly would cause this?

how were your gains?

They were great. I started off as a 165lb and got up to 208lb. Often I wonder had I of waited until I got up to 200 naturally how much of a beast I would have become.

 

[hotdog23]

Idk. Prob anything but test. Like I said research hmg +hcg protocol for fertility

 

[Dillon_21]

I can get hcg but not HMG. Might need a script for that. I read it's really expensive and I don't have insurance, so if I could get fertile (assuming I have low sperm count right now.)with just hcg and clomid then that's what I'd prefer to do. I've stopped taking all serms and aromatse inhibitors so It's an accurate blood test. And boy let me tell you coming off of a year and a half long blast and cruise is brutal. I feel like I'm going through so much shit emotionally

 

[hotdog23]

Bro china connect. Research you can get a months worth of hmg for $60 - from china pharmacies. Hcg will give u the intratesticular test you need for spermatogenesis but FSH that hmg supplies really really helps the sperm producing process . Use EC21 to find a connect. They usually carry hgh, hcg, hmg and raws

SERMs exert effects for up to a month later, just FYI . Good luck

 

[Rjs725]

What compounds exactly would cause this?



They were great. I started off as a 165lb and got up to 208lb. Often I wonder had I of waited until I got up to 200 naturally how much of a beast I would have become.

I know the post is about your recovery, but were you same BF% at 165 and 208? Also as for being fertile, I have heard of quite a few starting families while on long cycles without running HCG. Honestly I believe it depends on the person. Yes this is all bro science but you will never know until you attempt to start a family.

Just remember this in your your past now. Don't waste time thinking about what you shouldn't have done and begin a lengthy PCT including HCG. It's your best bet.

 

[Dillon_21]

Idk. Prob anything but test. Like I said research hmg +hcg protocol for fertility

Bro china connect. Research you can get a months worth of hmg for $60 - from china pharmacies. Hcg will give u the intratesticular test you need for spermatogenesis but FSH that hmg supplies really really helps the sperm producing process . Use EC21 to find a connect. They usually carry hgh, hcg, hmg and raws

I'm not sure I'd be willing to get anything from China. All of my gear is canadian manufactured.

SERMs exert effects for up to a month later, just FYI . Good luck

I know the post is about your recovery, but were you same BF% at 165 and 208? Also as for being fertile, I have heard of quite a few starting families while on long cycles without running HCG. Honestly I believe it depends on the person. Yes this is all bro science but you will never know until you attempt to start a family.

Just remember this in your your past now. Don't waste time thinking about what you shouldn't have done and begin a lengthy PCT including HCG. It's your best bet.

Yeah I've heard of many people starting family's on trt aswell. The only think tho is my nuts are so small. Smallest theve ever been and for some reason they seem to have gotten smaller since comming off. I'm not sure but I blasted hcg at a high dose and I've heard you can desensitize the leydig cells essentially causing primary hypogonadisim. Could that be why theve Actually been getting smaller?? I will probably post a thread on this I wonder if doctor scally will have any insight

 

[naturalkon]

Before going down the TRT route id give an aggressive PCT a try. This would be the breakdown id suggest trying if you're interested.

Begin by administering 500iu of HCG E3D alongside a low dose of testosterone (about 100mg/wk). Do this for 2 weeks after which time you will drop the test and continue the HCG protocol for another 14days along with Aromasin dosed at 25mg/ED. On your last 2 HCG shots use 1000iu rather than 500iu, and the day after your last HCG shot begin the PCT treatment.

The PCT will consist of a 7 week aggressive protocol which will be laid out as such:
Toremifene- 120mg/120mg/90mg/90mg/90mg/60mg/30mg
Clomid- 150mg/100mg/100mg/100mg/50mg
Aromasin- 25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg
DAA- 6g/6g/6g/6g/6g/6g

If any protocol will restart you, I believe this will have the best chance in doing so. It's worth trying before going down the TRT route. You seem to have some emotional issues tied in with your AAS use (no judgments or anything), and in my opinion being on TRT will be too tempting to increase dosages (which will have you end up in the same spot again). Hope this is of some help, and good luck brother. If you decide to run the PCT let us know how you do

Did you just pull this out of your ass or have you actually tried it. You might want to make sure before you start prescribing people high doses of cancer drugs. These things aren't candy.

 

[naturalkon]

No judgement here. I understand. If I was you I would look into scallys protocol. Pretty much a basic pct but he blasts hcg eod at like 2000-2500.iu. But if your worried about fertility just look at Ronnie Coleman. That fucker can't stop having kids. And I guarantee he has run more drugs than you. It's genetic. But honestly, kids are overrated. My 2 cents.

 

[lightspan]

Before going down the TRT route id give an aggressive PCT a try. This would be the breakdown id suggest trying if you're interested.

Begin by administering 500iu of HCG E3D alongside a low dose of testosterone (about 100mg/wk). Do this for 2 weeks after which time you will drop the test and continue the HCG protocol for another 14days along with Aromasin dosed at 25mg/ED. On your last 2 HCG shots use 1000iu rather than 500iu, and the day after your last HCG shot begin the PCT treatment.

The PCT will consist of a 7 week aggressive protocol which will be laid out as such:
Toremifene- 120mg/120mg/90mg/90mg/90mg/60mg/30mg
Clomid- 150mg/100mg/100mg/100mg/50mg
Aromasin- 25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg/25mg
DAA- 6g/6g/6g/6g/6g/6g

If any protocol will restart you, I believe this will have the best chance in doing so. It's worth trying before going down the TRT route. You seem to have some emotional issues tied in with your AAS use (no judgments or anything), and in my opinion being on TRT will be too tempting to increase dosages (which will have you end up in the same spot again). Hope this is of some help, and good luck brother. If you decide to run the PCT let us know how you do

I don't know where you got this, but let me diplomatically suggest this is NOT a good idea. 25 mg of aromasin ED will crush estro, leaving you feeling like an 80 year old man. You need some estrogen floating around, homeostasis is the goal here. Low dose AI is fine to boost free test, but isn't going to substantively affect HPTA in a restart.

Scally's power PCT protocol is a good starting point. If your endo is not well versed in ASIH and restarts, i would reach out to Scally and get his professional advice/consult.

Good luck.

 

[pumpingiron22]

I think a TRT type of program would probably be best. If you just stop your body will crash hard better to slowly go down to a normal TRT type program. Im not a doctor. Probably better to get with one.