Recovery log: Tyler is going natural.

[Tyler81]

I've tried several recoveries.

The longest recovery was 7 months off, and i regret not letting that one sink in longer.

I tried a recovery last summer with JUST clomid but it wasnt enough. So this time I will use Hcg for a few months first, then I will transition off with either clomid or just cold turkey it. My doctor is onboard with this recovery and he suggested the Hcg. He said to take it for three months and then cold-turkey off.

I will do my first 1500ius hcg injection this weekend.

I wont' be updating this log too much but I want to keep track of my progress because it will be a long journey but this time I am FULLY committed to stayin off.

I know some people will say "why are you coming off?" but honestly TRT hasnt given me the outcomes I was looking for.

Physique is the same or worse (workouts are worse).
Libido is less consistent versus "always there" natural.
Energy was initially better but now that the gel isnt absorbing anymore it's worse.

Overall the NET BENEFIT of TRT isnt worth it for me anymore.

Also when im banging a girl I want to know im not shooting blanks. I want to have kids within a few years and i would rather suffer coming off treatment now when im single versus when im with a girl and she wont be so patient during the recovery process. (I know because i tried coming off when i was banging a girl 5 years ago and it sucked because i wish i was single so I could have a full recovery without having to "perform" with no libido the first few months off)

This shit aint gonna be easy but the pain will pass and there are A LOT of benefits to being natural imho.

I am looking forward to:
Not having to rub gel on my body twice a day.
Not worrying about sweating the shit off when im out.
Not worrying about transferrance when im naked with a girl.
Having proper sized pornstar loads again not this watery shit with no semen in it.
Just having my full fertility back and knowing I can knock up a chick if I want to !!!

There are other benefits too but I wont list them all here.

Actually the biggest benefit to me is the consistent "natural" feel of the ebbs and flows of T.

I am looking forward to having the boost after the gym (and I find my workouts were better natural), or feeling the T rise if i see a hot girl, porn, when i wake up in the morning etc etc. I'm looking forward to feeling more connected to my body overall.

After the Hcg, I plan to take high dose vitamin d3 and cycle Longjack (Tongkat Ali) which is a supplement that has worked for me in the past to get my T into the low normal range. For me, low normal range natural is better than what I have right now which is applying globs of goop on my body where i have shit energy and dont feel great anyways.

Looking forward to coming off!

 

[Tyler81]

Mental preparation: I've decided on this course of action. No turning back. No choice.

Physical preparation: I have some cialis on-hand if I need to perform. I have Rx for gel which I will continue with Hcg, and then when I am ready I will discontinue the gel.

Expectations: I do not expect miracles. I just want a "low normal" T level and feel consistent. I am hoping with the Hcg 'primer' that the recovery is a lot smoother than last summer where I didnt use Hcg. I do not think I will use clomid. I plan to cold turkey the Hcg in Oct, and then high dose vitamin d3 and Longjack for two months and then check my blood levels. I will check my blood levels a few weeks after discontinuing Hcg, and then every month after that to see how my recovery is going.

The best xmas gift for me will be "low normal" levels and feeling decent.
December will be 5 months into my recovery (and probably two months into cold turkeying Hcg); so that will be a good benchmark of where i'm at.

I will update this log at least once a month to update my progress (in HM)

 

[jay89]

Hey Tyler do you live in Canada (Ontario)? I know you hate clomid so maybe you can transition off with low dose nolvadex. Do you think your doctor would prescribe it?

 

[Jeremiahflex]

Gel? Why not pin or did I miss something

 

[Tyler81]

Hey Tyler do you live in Canada (Ontario)? I know you hate clomid so maybe you can transition off with low dose nolvadex. Do you think your doctor would prescribe it?

Jay I'm not sure if he would prescribe it.
I'm not convinced I need it.
Although it's pretty easy to find on the internet if I did want to use it.

 

[Tyler81]

Sun July 31st
Today is the first day of my restart. Will do 1500ius Hcg.

The # of Hcg injections I will do before I cold turkey it is still unclear.

It depends on how I tolerate Hcg and whether I want a quick and dirty restart i.e. 5 weeks of Hcg then discontinue in September.

Or more slow restart where I take it for three months and then discontinue in November.

 

[chemman]

In my experience, getting the testicles to make testosterone is the easy part of quitting TRT. Hypothalamus and Pituitary recovery will likely the long, miserable slog that will haunt you!

 

[Tyler81]

In my experience, getting the testicles to make testosterone is the easy part of quitting TRT. Hypothalamus and Pituitary recovery will likely the long, miserable slog that will haunt you!

Lol thanks for that reminder.
Yeah there will be pain involved but ive exhausted all other options.

 

[chemman]

Lol thanks for that reminder.
Yeah there will be pain involved but ive exhausted all other options.

No problem lol. I hope it works out for you asap. The body has an amazing capacity to heal. I won't lie, though, I am often tempted to go back on.

 

[MR10X]

not using Nolvadex or Clomid will delay your HPTA recovery...you dont need a high dose for it to help....

 

[Tyler81]

Woke up this morning with a rock hard morning boner which wouldn't go away.

I rarely woke up with wood on T.

 

[Demondosage]

How long were you on TRT?

I'd say if you could get your levels back to normal then the chances of doing so and coming off the gel are more realistic than the injectable form, since the gel works half assed anyways

 

[Tyler81]

6 years.
And I was on injections for a few years during that time.

 

[foreveryoung]

good luck, it is hard to find the best solution for ones self, hope it works out for you

I am glad that I finally found my solution and have stuck with it for a long time now and it is staying consistent and good, libido strong, have the urge to masturbate for hours in the morning after having great sex with my lady at night, orgasms are mindblowing and strong and "loads" are strong, physique is strong but retaining just a little bit of belly fat (maybe a 1/4" or so, just enough so my six pack is not shredded like it has been in the past), but I found that being super lean and ripped shredded six pack also means libido and function problems, so I try not to worry about that as much although it is hard sometimes when I look at pics of my abs from a year or so ago when I had what looked like paper thin skin over my abs with no fat at all and compare to now where it is a bit softer, but the sexual function is worth it, I give my lady orgasms always and still have libido distracting me a few hours later

no hcg, no ai, keeping doses low, these are some keys that I wish I knew years ago for me, consistency is important too, I set this protocol and left it alone, and as the months go by I am actually getting better, orgasms and loads are extreme, the only real bad side effect is being hot all the time and sweating

 

[Tyler81]

Does anyone know where I can get some clomid or novaldex online? If you do pm me pls.
Thnx.

 

[Tyler81]

Ok 1500ius is kicking my ass. I'm having hot flashes lol
I will most likely lower this dose to 750ius for the next injection.
I fkn hate Hcg but i MUST "jump-start" my own nuts before I come off.

Im debating like 3-4 Hcg injects ONLY..... and then low-dose clomid.

 

[Tyler81]

@7minutes

This guy explains the rationale for Hcg PERFECTLY and the reason im using it.

"Testicles are kind of like diesel engines its hard to get them up and running again when theyve been shut down. The pituitary acts like a gas engine and turns on right away"

"I recommend if you are gonna get off TRT you start Hcg at least 6 weeks before you want to discontinue to make sure those testicles (leydig cells specfically) have been reminded Hey youre gonna be needed! Wake up!! so when your levels go low enough the body goes Hey! Were gonna need to create some of our own and the pituitary kicks in right away and there wont be a long delay before the testicles kick in"

 

[Tyler81]

My restart last summer failed because I didnt use Hcg.
At the two month mark i was at 4nmol/L and i went back on.
This time around I will jump-start my nuts for 4 weeks minimum and then come off.

 

[Do3Gs]

Does anyone know where I can get some clomid or novaldex online? If you do pm me pls.
Thnx.

Look in the underground section here. There are a couple that claim pharmaceutical grade ancillaries and at least 1 that has what seems a flawless track record.

 

[Tyler81]

I grew some tits after my Hcg injection. I am exaggerating but I am hyper sensitive to estrogen and that 1500ius was way too much. I am wondering what the minimum Hcg dose is to take for 4-6 weeks to minimize E2 and "wake up" my testicles? 1500ius is too much. 500ius may be too little. I will probaby do 750ius for the next injection.

God I hate Hcg. lol.