Right no tren or orals advice

[Johndoe]

going to cruise after I finish this cycle I'm on (test 400 1mil every 3rd day) then I'm going to blast I'm wanting size not to fussed about looking ripped bla bla, as I'm naturally pretty toned I'm use to the test 400 so if possible would just like to add to that (diffrent compound etc) but I'm completely open to other Opinions so please shoot away guys (cannot take hcg as its but fuck expensive over in England ) I don't need amounts or weeks advice etc I can work that out at a future date I just need to no what I need to get in and store ready to go bing bang boom at a future date thanks peeps.

 

[Sampei]

Deca EQ test. 1gr each.
Enjoy

If it's too hardcore for you (don't know your experience so far)

Test 600 deca 600 EQ 900
If it's still to much decrease EQ to 600.

If you eat properly and train hard it will be an awesome cycle especially side wise... I felt great on these compounds, I didn't look as good as on tren but I just didn't feel any side at all. I was happy, full of energy and ready to rock

 

[Johndoe]

Have done deca etc in the past good compound so would not mind doing that I don't want to touch tren coughs heart blasting Na fuck that lol!

 

[Johndoe]

Deca EQ test. 1gr each.
Enjoy

If it's too hardcore for you (don't know your experience so far)

Test 600 deca 600 EQ 900
If it's still to much decrease EQ to 600.

If you eat properly and train hard it will be an awesome cycle especially side wise... I felt great on these compounds, I didn't look as good as on tren but I just didn't feel any side at all. I was happy, full of energy and ready to rock

And by test do you just mean a normal test e sort of thing not a tri blend? Or could I use test 400 as the base cheaper option the better if al be running 3 diffrent compounds

 

[Sampei]

And by test do you just mean a normal test e sort of thing not a tri blend? Or could I use test 400 as the base cheaper option the better if al be running 3 diffrent compounds

Whatever You like. I dont like to pin much and after by my own ecperience I much prefer long ester they suit me better.

But if you like a sustanon type of test use that. Doesn't matter. Test is test.

 

[Sampei]

Have done deca etc in the past good compound so would not mind doing that I don't want to touch tren coughs heart blasting Na fuck that lol!

I never experienced tren cough and I did one six weeks cycle pinning ED tren ace and a 12 weeks cycle pinning x2 a week tren E.

I was just smart and pinned the tren only in glutes or VG. No way I nick a vein there
Worse I got is a tickling sensation in my throat. Happened twice. No cough at all. Just one two hours of little discomfort.

 

[Big pump]

What are you trying to do? Bulk or Cut? Lean mass?? How long of a cycle?

 

[Dr JIM]

going to cruise after I finish this cycle I'm on (test 400 1mil every 3rd day) then I'm going to blast I'm wanting size not to fussed about looking ripped bla bla, as I'm naturally pretty toned I'm use to the test 400 so if possible would just like to add to that (diffrent compound etc) but I'm completely open to other Opinions so please shoot away guys (cannot take hcg as its but fuck expensive over in England ) I don't need amounts or weeks advice etc I can work that out at a future date I just need to no what I need to get in and store ready to go bing bang boom at a future date thanks peeps.

Blast/cruise cycling is there a point exclusive of the bathroom mirror UNLEES the objective is COMPETITIVE BB?

I mean essentially all gains that exceed ones generic potential will be LOST in due course.

However the competitive BB has something to show for the cumulative risk associated with the prolonged use of anabolics.

Of course it's YOUR DECISION but understand the risk increases considerably in the absence of HTPA recovery!

 

[Sampei]

Blast/cruise cycling is there a point exclusive of the bathroom mirror UNLEES the objective is COMPETITIVE BB?

I mean essentially all gains that exceed ones generic potential will be LOST in due course.

However the competitive BB has something to show for the cumulative risk associated with the prolonged use of anabolics.

Of course it's YOUR DECISION but understand the risk increases considerably in the absence of HTPA recovery!

Dr Jim if someone has no interest in having child. And he blast and cruise in a proper manner, I mean real cruise (no 250-300 or more of test during cruise) so he try to keep a high reference range 1000ng but no more during the cruise, he doesn't abuse orals during blast and try to have an equal time off or well at least not 1 month of cruise and 10 of blast. What are the increased risk compared to who pct?

To me it seems more healthy to just blast and cruise IF HTPA RECOVERY IS NOT A PRIORITY AT ALL, then to pct every time using drugs like nolva/Clomid.

For example I cruise on 125mg test and I feel much better doing that if I was using pct drugs, a part for how I feel (much better compared to when you pct) my bloods on 125mg of test show that all my values are the same as if I wasn't using any AAS. Cholesterol is perfect, liver, kidneys etc.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

 

[Dr JIM]

As ive said on many occasions previously, people believe what they want or need to believe, and your "logic" is a fine example of how easily this may be accomplished.

 

[Johndoe]

Dr Jim if someone has no interest in having child. And he blast and cruise in a proper manner, I mean real cruise (no 250-300 or more of test during cruise) so he try to keep a high reference range 1000ng but no more during the cruise, he doesn't abuse orals during blast and try to have an equal time off or well at least not 1 month of cruise and 10 of blast. What are the increased risk compared to who pct?

To me it seems more healthy to just blast and cruise IF HTPA RECOVERY IS NOT A PRIORITY AT ALL, then to pct every time using drugs like nolva/Clomid.

For example I cruise on 125mg test and I feel much better doing that if I was using pct drugs, a part for how I feel (much better compared to when you pct) my bloods on 125mg of test show that all my values are the same as if I wasn't using any AAS. Cholesterol is perfect, liver, kidneys etc.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

I second this when doing pct etc not only does the cost sky rocket but it just changes you if you don't do it perfect you can loose a hell of a lot of your body shape and just feel like crap, then all that pinning etc was worthless that's why I have decided to start blasting etc so sampei it all goes into normal range then? When you cruise sorry for asking this will be my 1st time round. (and I will be doing comps etc)

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea and that's analogous to suggesting Diabetics fare better with elevated blood sugars on a more prolonged basis than they would with periods of normal glucose level.

Sorry guys we KNOW the effects are cumulative in both instances and periods of normalization diminishes the morbidity in DM patients and I've no reason to doubt the same is true with respect to AAS.

It's your body and you're only gonna get ONE and for those who insist on BC cycling
risk stratification with the aid of a physician becomes even more important.

But THAT WONT HAPPEN, so good luck!

Follow this course of invincibility for another TEN years bc only then will you be able to reflect upon the amount of money your have spent on running AAS, yet with next to nothing to show for it, excpeting perhaps HTN, LVH, ASCVD, ED, ALTERED LIBIDO and the NEED for TRT.

Perhaps then you will understand WHY I'm often critical of youngsters who elect B/C over HTPA recovery.

 

[Sampei]

As ive said on many occasions previously, people believe what they want or need to believe, and your "logic" is a fine example of how easily this may be accomplished.

You didn't answer my question at all.

My bloods during cruise are the same as before using AAS. Where is the harm in that? If you say so then trt is something that harms health of ppl.

Cruise for me is trt dose for months, before blasting again. I see it more healthy then doing pct back and forth after every cycle. Less drugs, less stress and less shit taken.

If HTPA recovery is not the goal, I don't see why cruising is bad.
Real cruise (trt) and not 500mg week cruise.

 

[Johndoe]

You didn't answer my question at all.

My bloods during cruise are the same as before using AAS. Where is the harm in that? If you say so then trt is something that harms health of ppl.

Cruise for me is trt dose for months, before blasting again. I see it more healthy then doing pct back and forth after every cycle. Less drugs, less stress and less shit taken.

If HTPA recovery is not the goal, I don't see why cruising is bad.
Real cruise (trt) and not 500mg week cruise.

Have you cut out orals then mate just wondering?

 

[DonQKong]

need to no what I need to get in and store ready to go bing bang boom at a future date )

Tried acid mate?

 

[Johndoe]

Tried acid mate?

Pmsfl not my cup of tea bud I like to be legal

 

[Sampei]

Have you cut out orals then mate just wondering?

I never responded well to orals side effect wise (great gainz yes) so I never abused them and always used Anavar. I used anavar for 2 times and used anadrol last cycle just out of curiosity.

I'm not gonna use any orals except maybe once a year for 4 weeks. MAYBE.

I much prefer to use tren or other AAS and leave my liver alone, plus orals kills my stomach, I start having shit load of gas, my stool smell horrible and i digest very badly. Many times food is still whole when I take a shit.

So even if I love how fast orals work I prefer to learn being patience and save myself from a lot of discomfort and maybe future complications.

So yes I try to be the healthiest possible while using AAS.
For example I have decided to cut tren cycle with other compounds for max 12 weeks. Because tren really murder lipids and I don't like to run around for long with shit lipids.

I keep a very low dose of test during cruise and I do bloods plenty of time during cycle but off cycle as well to see how fast my body get back to baseline (lipids-liver-kidneys-etc.) before blasting again.

I never wanted kid and I still don't want any, I see less harm
In doing what I do compared to do pct everytime I finish a cycle.

I don't do short cruise long blast either. If I have done a blast with tren I like to cruise at least the same time, on deca-EQ I cruise maybe less because they don't murder my lipids and don't put much stress on my body.

It's personal you need bloods for it. Once a year I have a cardiologist doing an eco on my hearth and arteries to see if everything is ok there.

I'm very scrupulous about keeping an eye on my body and how is working. This doesn't meant what I'm doing is not harming my health or it's a good thing to do... I made my choice and I'm trying to limit as much as I can the possible dangers coming from cycling.

 

[Johndoe]

I never responded well to orals side effect wise (great gainz yes) so I never abused them and always used Anavar. I used anavar for 2 times and used anadrol last cycle just out of curiosity.

I'm not gonna use any orals except maybe once a year for 4 weeks. MAYBE.

I much prefer to use tren or other AAS and leave my liver alone, plus orals kills my stomach, I start having shit load of gas, my stool smell horrible and i digest very badly. Many times food is still whole when I take a shit.

So even if I love how fast orals work I prefer to learn being patience and save myself from a lot of discomfort and maybe future complications.

So yes I try to be the healthiest possible while using AAS.
For example I have decided to cut tren cycle with other compounds for max 12 weeks. Because tren really murder lipids and I don't like to run around for long with shit lipids.

I keep a very low dose of test during cruise and I do bloods plenty of time during cycle but off cycle as well to see how fast my body get back to baseline (lipids-liver-kidneys-etc.) before blasting again.

I never wanted kid and I still don't want any, I see less harm
In doing what I do compared to do pct everytime I finish a cycle.

I don't do short cruise long blast either. If I have done a blast with tren I like to cruise at least the same time, on deca-EQ I cruise maybe less because they don't murder my lipids and don't put much stress on my body.

It's personal you need bloods for it. Once a year I have a cardiologist doing an eco on my hearth and arteries to see if everything is ok there.

I'm very scrupulous about keeping an eye on my body and how is working. This doesn't meant what I'm doing is not harming my health or it's a good thing to do... I made my choice and I'm trying to limit as much as I can the possible dangers coming from cycling.

So a average cruise time is normaly less then say you would have to come off if you was doing pct etc?

 

[Sampei]

So a average cruise time is normaly less then say you would have to come off if you was doing pct etc?

Depends Lets say i do a 16 week test/deca/EQ. My bloods on that stack are like an average person, lipids are well in between normal range (not The greatest but nothing bad) and i dont feel my body taxed at all. After I end The blast i could cruise for 8-10 weeks and if my bloods come back already Great at 4 weeks after The blast i then probably gonna blast again after 10weeks stop. But It all depends...

With The pct You need to wait for The AAS to clear You system, then You have pct then You have to wait for full htpa restoration.

Thats a longer time.
If You blast and cruise in my opinion What must concern You is your Health and how long it takes to get back having good lipids etc.

For example If i dont use tren and cycle only test-deca-EQ even If i blast half The year and cruise The other half my bloods will be in better Then 90%of The average popolation.

I'm very lucky for example on the lipids side, my cholesterol On cycle never exceed 100. My HDL stay on cycle at 40 and my ldl never above 60. Tryglicerids around 60 as well.

Off cycle I have like: 100 total ch
LDL 20 and HDL 60+.

So looking at my bloods I'm never really fucking up my lipids even when I blast. (If I use mild compounds).

Kidney and liver if I don't touch orals never get bad.

So if I refer only to
Bloods I don't really have any concern in doing maybe 16 weeks blast and 8-10
Weeks cruise and repeat but it's personal.

I'm "young", maybe with time I'll have to make longer cruise etc.

 

[Johndoe]

Depends Lets say i do a 16 week test/deca/EQ. My bloods on that stack are like an average person, lipids are well in between normal range (not The greatest but nothing bad) and i dont feel my body taxed at all. After I end The blast i could cruise for 8-10 weeks and if my bloods come back already Great at 4 weeks after The blast i then probably gonna blast again after 10weeks stop. But It all depends...

With The pct You need to wait for The AAS to clear You system, then You have pct then You have to wait for full htpa restoration.

Thats a longer time.
If You blast and cruise in my opinion What must concern You is your Health and how long it takes to get back having good lipids etc.

For example If i dont use tren and cycle only test-deca-EQ even If i blast half The year and cruise The other half my bloods will be in better Then 90%of The average popolation.

I'm very lucky for example on the lipids side, my cholesterol On cycle never exceed 100. My HDL stay on cycle at 40 and my ldl never above 60. Tryglicerids around 60 as well.

Off cycle I have like: 100 total ch
LDL 20 and HDL 60+.

So looking at my bloods I'm never really fucking up my lipids even when I blast. (If I use mild compounds).

Kidney and liver if I don't touch orals never get bad.

So if I refer only to
Bloods I don't really have any concern in doing maybe 16 weeks blast and 8-10
Weeks cruise and repeat but it's personal.

I'm "young", maybe with time I'll have to make longer cruise etc.

Honestly great info mate so the harsher the blast longer the cruise basically can I ask why you run eq with deca like what's the reasons for it ?