Rough cost of each vial

[Spaceman Spiff]

Thanks to this gentleman for providing these calculations

So

Test c will cost you $3.785 per vial if domestic homebrewer, lets say they sell for $35

That’s a $31 and some change profit.

Why not just buy finished test c from a source for $5-7 and resell it for $35 dollars?

The profit would be $28-30 and you don’t have to maintain a lab and do all the brewing

for personal use you can buy 30 vials of test c from generic Asia for 213.5 including shipping if I looked at their list prices correctly.

That comes out to $7.12 a vial

So a difference of $7.12-$3.785 $3.335

I think the $3.335 Difference is well worth it considering you don’t have to waste time brewing and getting all the supplies and everything.

And with homebrewing you’d end up spending more money because you’d have to spend more money sending it for testing to make sure your home brew batch is accurate, no?

Because I have a problem with vials, labels, how it's made.

I'm a control freak.

This post is not about making money. It's about making your own oils.

Even if I did resell gear, I wouldn't resell Cheap oil.
Keep importing thousands of vials of oil and see what happens.(Powder is bad enough)

I would rather be self sufficient on making my own stuff.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Don't think testing costs are included in the estimates either.

They are .

Btw, if you use cheap Chinese vials, can take a dollar off the vial cost

 

[carbon adams]

Because I have. Problem with vials, labels, how it's made.

I'm a control freak.

This post is not about making money. It's about making your own oils.

Even if I did resell gear, I wouldn't resell Cheap oil.
Keep importing thousands of vials of oil and see what happens.(Powder is bad enough)

I know it’s not about making money but I saw your calculations so I’m trying to see the actual real difference Between homebrew and buying.

You bring a fairly good point, but what do you mean by you wouldn’t resell “ cheap oil”?

Cheap oil as in what exactly ?

Generic Asia (for example )has great testing and reviews and if they can make ampules so im
sure their sanitary practices for vials is far better than any homebrewer and it’s only 5.95$

So cheap oil as in what ?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

I know it’s not about making money but I saw your calculations so I’m trying to see the actual real difference Between homebrew and buying.

You bring a fairly good point, but what do you mean by you wouldn’t resell “ cheap oil”?

Cheap oil as in what exactly ?

Generic Asia (for example )has great testing and reviews and if they can make ampules so im
sure their sanitary practices for vials is far better than any homebrewer and it’s only 5.95$

So cheap oil as in what ?

MCT oil.

do they know the grade of the oil or the fatty acids? if its organic, hexane free etc?
c8/c10/c12?


Also some people cannot tolerate MCT, they used MCT, GSO, CSO, Castor,


Sanitary practices are better? idk dude. You do you.

My method uses a closed system with pre-sterilized vials. not an open flow hood.

after it passes a filter, its sterile medical equipment connected to each vial.

 

[Ghoul]

I know it’s not about making money but I saw your calculations so I’m trying to see the actual real difference Between homebrew and buying.

You bring a fairly good point, but what do you mean by you wouldn’t resell “ cheap oil”?

Cheap oil as in what exactly ?

Generic Asia (for example )has great testing and reviews and if they can make ampules so im
sure their sanitary practices for vials is far better than any homebrewer and it’s only 5.95$

So cheap oil as in what ?

There was a time when homebrewing was more economical. That's rarely the case now.

The reason for homebrewing at this point is control, ie custom blends, certainty of contents, etc. If we're talking about TRT levels of gear it's not justifiable in economic terms, just something to assuage paranoia or as a hobby. Personally I'd be more inclined to buy 30 vials from GA and send one off for comprehensive Jano testing, including guiacol, endotoxins. heavy metals, and be well enough satisfied.

 

[carbon adams]

MCT oil.

do they know the grade of the oil or the fatty acids? if its organic, hexane free etc?
c8/c10/c12?

That’s actually a great question.

Sources should start disclosing the specific mct oil they use with pictures of it so everyone knows instead of just saying “usp grade mct oil”

 

[carbon adams]

Sanitary practices are better? idk dude. You do you.

But Sir.. I am not trying to be mean… but it looks like you’re doing this on your cumstained bed sheet

Explain to me how this is more sanitary than a source doing it in a facility.

If you can actually explain in a way that would help me understand how a homebrewer is safer than a source who has a facility doing it , maybe I’d be inclined to try a homebrewer.

 

[Ghoul]

Also lots of fraud in the organic oil space, and coconut oils are filled with all kinds of nasty shit not readily filtered out. Pharma companies are required to have even "USP Grade" oils analyzed before use, so without testing now one has to rely on the MCT being what it's represented as. It's an endless rabbit hole.

Probably easiest to have a sample of the finished product, homemade or UGL,
tested for everything of concern. Heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, endotoxins otherwise you're going on blind trust. Either in every ingredient you've acquired on your own, or whatever the UGL is using.

 

[carbon adams]

Also lots of fraud in the organic oil space, and coconut oils are filled with all kinds of nasty shit not readily filtered out. Pharma companies are required to have even "USP Grade" oils analyzed before use, so without testing now one has to rely on the MCT being what it's represented as. It's an endless rabbit hole.

Probably easiest to have a sample of the finished product, homemade or UGL,
tested for everything of concern. Heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, endotoxins otherwise you're going on blind trust. Either in every ingredient you've acquired on your own, or whatever the UGL is using.

What’s more dangerous

Having oils with unfiltered / low quality mct or unfiltered /low quality gso as carrier oil ?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

But Sir.. I am not trying to be mean… but it looks like you’re doing this on your cumstained bed sheet

Explain to me how this is more sanitary than a source doing it in a facility.

If you can actually explain in a way that would help me understand how a homebrewer is safer than a source who has a facility doing it , maybe I’d be inclined to try a homebrewer.

what kind of a source doing at a facility? Do you know how they sanitize everything?

If you cannot understand how sterilization works through a filter. Then I cannot help you.

I am not going to convince you anything at this point. keep buying the oils.

That’s actually a great question.

Sources should start disclosing the specific mct oil they use with pictures of it so everyone knows instead of just saying “usp grade mct oil”

The domestic sources here definitely use MCT that doesnt have c12.

 

[guestpics]

Kind of useless not to share the table where you listed all the expenses that went into this calculation

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

I did my own cost list and estimates.

Cost of my vile will cost 2.90 each. But I'm using Castor usp ultra filterted and only 100 grams of test cyp raws. Domestic shipped. Pre sterilized viles

Using chatgpt and perplexity.ai ( web crawler) made this super fast

This should last me 6.6 years

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Kind of useless not to share the table where you listed all the expenses that went into this calculation

sucks to be you.

 

[UncleBuns]

Kind of useless not to share the table where you listed all the expenses that went into this calculation

You aren't subscribed to "Spaceman premium"? That's how you get access to the hundreds of Excel spreadsheets he's made. Meticulous data counting every penny down to each grain of raw, drip of oil, and a calculator that exactly figures the monetary value of each second of your time. Best 500 bucks a month I've ever spent.

 

[Ghoul]

figures the monetary value of each second of your time.

As soon as I start thinking about brewing it's cost me more than 20 QSC kits...

 

[bigboy420]

As soon as I start thinking about brewing it's cost me more than 20 QSC kits...

Yea like same, steroids aint expensive not one bit.
Even if you choose a expensiver brand its not much.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

As soon as I start thinking about brewing it's cost me more than 20 QSC kits...

Do you have any other hobbies that may not be financially worth it but you enjoy?

 

[Ghoul]

Do you have any other hobbies that may not be financially worth it but you enjoy?

Bro, I genuinely get it. I appreciate what you do and the pursuit of excellence in doing it. Don't misunderstand me.

I find it fascinating, intellectually, and under other circumstances I would be the guy that keeps going until I have the hermetically sealed room, bodysuit, higher standards than pharma. Which is one reason I don't dare start.

I already do that kind of thing on a micro scale with syringes (TLDR BD Eclipse for gear, BD VEO for peptides lol) and other accessories.

I'm gently mocking the guys doing it for the "savings", which really aren't there unless you use a lot of gear.

 

[bighunanballs]

You aren't subscribed to "Spaceman premium"? That's how you get access to the hundreds of Excel spreadsheets he's made. Meticulous data counting every penny down to each grain of raw, drip of oil, and a calculator that exactly figures the monetary value of each second of your time. Best 500 bucks a month I've ever spent.

That's not what my "spaceman premium" package has been getting me

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Bro, I genuinely get it. I appreciate what you do and the pursuit of excellence in doing it. Don't misunderstand me.

I find it fascinating, intellectually, and under other circumstances I would be the guy that keeps going until I have the hermetically sealed room, bodysuit, higher standards than pharma. Which is one reason I don't dare start.

I already do that kind of thing on a micro scale with syringes (TLDR BD Eclipse for gear, BD VEO for peptides lol) and other accessories.

I'm gently mocking the guys doing it for the "savings", which really aren't there unless you use a lot of gear.

Idk I already am saving alot on what i ordered to home brew. From buying 20 dollars a vile to making 2.90 a vile. .....I mean...that's pretty good. Plus the fact I can control the oil now and make unique setups. I fail to see how none economical it is. A still air box is very cheap to make and even cheaper to keep sterilized for a small batch of viles. I think the over emphasize on the sterilizing and medical grade setup is over stated. It's not that hard to be sterilized unless you live In garage or some horders house. Personally my clean room along side a very cheap plastic still air box with some clorox. Airsol spray alcohol and some little bit of preparation is enough for me to trust my environment

I mean this will last me just around 6.6 years at the trt dosage. ........it's almost magic