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My pump is tried to a cold trap and 4 way with desicator, vacuum oven and rotovap with an extra long hose for filtration and the exaughst goes into the fume hood. Some batches I use a stainless reusable 50mm clamp set up with that peristaltic pump . Depends what the use case.
What are you using for cold water pump on your trap setup? Are the temps low enough? I have to use dry ice/acetone to get cold enough. I run the cold finger style in tandum through rotovap condenser then through standalone cold trap. Still will get some vapor through. My pumps are good and can handle anything thrown at them. But are to expensive to chance wetting them all the time. I love having the control now though with the heidolph vario control pump, it is nice to just set to whatever Mbar and control will just keep it there without having to hear it running all the time. It is nice for the desiccator.
 

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So..What exactly is the difference in the raws testing?
Is there any way we would find out?


 
So..What exactly is the difference in the raws testing?
Is there any way we would find out?


Its called poop testing

Poop results. For a poop test.

Jano only valid one so it looks like.
 
What are you using for cold water pump on your trap setup? Are the temps low enough? I have to use dry ice/acetone to get cold enough. I run the cold finger style in tandum through rotovap condenser then through standalone cold trap. Still will get some vapor through. My pumps are good and can handle anything thrown at them. But are to expensive to chance wetting them all the time. I love having the control now though with the heidolph vario control pump, it is nice to just set to whatever Mbar and control will just keep it there without having to hear it running all the time. It is nice for the desiccator.
Vevor lab water chiller on the rotovap condenser that gets down to 0°C the vaccume hose is on a 4 way with PTFE shut off valves, between the 4 way and pump a cold trap in dry ICE that is shared with the vacuum oven and desicator and extra line for non sterile filtration, and the pumps exaughst is routed inside my fume hood that stays on while using the rotovap so any vapor doesn't remain in the lab.
 
Its called poop testing

Poop results. For a poop test.

Jano only valid one so it looks like.

Raising the Standard​


The purpose of this thread is to present a comprehensive, reproducible, lab-grade method for purifying steroid raws prior to conversion. This is not a replacement for quality manufacturing..
this is a corrective technique to deal with substandard materials when no other option is available.


We must be clear: this is not an excuse for manufacturers to cut corners. This is a stopgap solution that allows individual compounders and responsible middlemen to clean up contaminated or adulterated product until true GMP-level practices are adopted upstream. Even if we can't achieve GMP standards, increasing the standard in general is a wise idea.


Suppliers and sterile manufacturers should be the ones using this technique before raw powders are ever released to customers. But in the current state of the market, with contamination levels ranging from oils, moisture, dyes, and binding agents, we must be realistic:


If you're receiving raw material that is 88% pure or lower, purification via recrystallization is one of the only ways to salvage it.




The Chemistry of Recrystallization


Recrystallization relies on the principle that your active compound (the steroid) has a different solubility profile in high-purity solvents than the impurities it's mixed with.


Process Overview:


  1. Dissolve the raw steroid in a high-purity hot solvent (typically 99.5%+ ethanol or acetone).
  2. Hot filter to remove insoluble trash like oils, waxes, pigments, or binders.
  3. Crash the steroid out of solution by either cooling it slowly or adding an anti-solvent (e.g. distilled or deionized water).
  4. Cold filter the solid crystals that form.
  5. Dry the purified crystals under vacuum or low-temp desiccation.

The result is a significantly cleaner yield of the target hormone.




Materials Required (Laboratory-Grade Only)


To perform this properly, you will need:


  • High-purity 99%+ ethanol (USP or reagent grade)
  • Deionized or distilled water
  • Borosilicate glass beakers or flasks
  • Magnetic stirrer or hot plate with temp control
  • Lab-grade filter paper (e.g. Whatman #1, #5, or #42 depending on micron rating)
  • Glass Büchner funnel or vacuum filter system
  • Vacuum pump or manual vacuum system
  • Desiccator or low-heat oven (<50°C) for drying
  • Sterile gloves, masks, and clean workspace

This is a lab-grade procedure and should be treated as such. However not everyone has simple lab grade methods on hand or equipment but we can get close.

Using denatured alcohol, hardware solvents, or kitchen equipment is not compatible with achieving pharmaceutical-grade results.




Filter Selection: Micron Guidance


Filtering is a critical part of this process.


Avoid coffee filters, fabric, or makeshift setups. They are neither consistent nor clean enough for this application.




Purity Yield Expectations


  • Starting with 85–90% purity raws: expect to retain 75–85% yield with 95–98% final purity
  • Starting with 70–80% purity: expect 60–70% final yield, but potentially 95%+ purity in recovered material
  • Starting with 50–60%: much lower yield, but still usable; multiple recrystallizations may be needed

You cannot increase the quantity of active steroid..
you are simply removing the non-active garbage that never belonged there.




Why This Should Be Done by Suppliers First


The responsibility for ensuring compound purity should never fall solely on the end-user. This method exists as a response to an unreliable supply chain. Ideally, this process would be handled by:


  • Raw suppliers prior to export
  • Domestic middlemen before resale
  • UGL operators prior to formulation

Unfortunately, we know that none of these parties are consistently doing that. Until they do, this is the most accessible way to reclaim agency over the quality of your injections.




Case Use: Why You Might Still Want to Purify


Let’s say you spent $600 on 50g of Mast P raw, and it tests at 88% purity.


  • That means 12% of it is crap: moisture, oil, cut, dye, residue, who knows.
  • You were going to overdose the brew anyway to compensate.

So instead:


  • Recrystallize it
  • Remove the 12% junk that would have made your oil cloudy, painful, or difficult to sterilize
  • Formulate your gear with precision dosing and no guesswork

You didn’t lose yield. You gained control.




Follow-Up Testing and Service Outlook


I am currently in the process of:


  • Building a controlled setup with proper labware
  • Processing multiple raw batches through purification
  • Sending both unprocessed and recrystallized samples to Jano for comparative analysis

If the testing confirms what we already observe visually and physically, I will explore offering a service for those who do not have time, space, or resources to build this setup.




Final Thoughts


This process is:


  • Chemistry-backed
  • Lab-standard
  • Easily replicable with the correct tools
  • Completely justified in a contaminated market

This should never be the first option, but it is currently one of the best fallback options we have.


If the people selling us product won’t clean it, we will.


And we’ll do it right


The following are are compatible with this method.

Testosterone Enanthate

Testosterone Cypionate

Testosterone Propionate

Testosterone Phenylpropionate

Testosterone Isocaproate

Testosterone Decanoate

Testosterone Undecanoate

Trenbolone Acetate

Trenbolone Enanthate

Nandrolone Decanoate

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

Masteron Propionate

Masteron Enanthate

Primobolan Enanthate

Methenolone Acetate

Boldenone Acetate

Turinabol (Oral)

Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Oxandrolone (Anavar)

Oxymetholone (Anadrol)

Mesterolone (Proviron)

Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)

1-Testosterone (Dihydroboldenone)

1-Test Cypionate

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT base)

Methyltestosterone

Mestanolone

Drostanolone Propionate

Drostanolone Enanthate



Anything waxy or oil at room temperature will be much harder to do. It's doable, but we'll take a bit extra steps.



You'll welcome to say this is pointless, but in this current market
We either hope the manufacturers step up and do better, or we make do what we can for now. while still pushing the manufacturer to do better.

Raising the Standard​


The purpose of this thread is to present a comprehensive, reproducible, lab-grade method for purifying steroid raws prior to conversion. This is not a replacement for quality manufacturing..
this is a corrective technique to deal with substandard materials when no other option is available.


We must be clear: this is not an excuse for manufacturers to cut corners. This is a stopgap solution that allows individual compounders and responsible middlemen to clean up contaminated or adulterated product until true GMP-level practices are adopted upstream. Even if we can't achieve GMP standards, increasing the standard in general is a wise idea.


Suppliers and sterile manufacturers should be the ones using this technique before raw powders are ever released to customers. But in the current state of the market, with contamination levels ranging from oils, moisture, dyes, and binding agents, we must be realistic:


If you're receiving raw material that is 88% pure or lower, purification via recrystallization is one of the only ways to salvage it.




The Chemistry of Recrystallization


Recrystallization relies on the principle that your active compound (the steroid) has a different solubility profile in high-purity solvents than the impurities it's mixed with.


Process Overview:


  1. Dissolve the raw steroid in a high-purity hot solvent (typically 99.5%+ ethanol or acetone).
  2. Hot filter to remove insoluble trash like oils, waxes, pigments, or binders.
  3. Crash the steroid out of solution by either cooling it slowly or adding an anti-solvent (e.g. distilled or deionized water).
  4. Cold filter the solid crystals that form.
  5. Dry the purified crystals under vacuum or low-temp desiccation.

The result is a significantly cleaner yield of the target hormone.




Materials Required (Laboratory-Grade Only)


To perform this properly, you will need:


  • High-purity 99%+ ethanol (USP or reagent grade)
  • Deionized or distilled water
  • Borosilicate glass beakers or flasks
  • Magnetic stirrer or hot plate with temp control
  • Lab-grade filter paper (e.g. Whatman #1, #5, or #42 depending on micron rating)
  • Glass Büchner funnel or vacuum filter system
  • Vacuum pump or manual vacuum system
  • Desiccator or low-heat oven (<50°C) for drying
  • Sterile gloves, masks, and clean workspace

This is a lab-grade procedure and should be treated as such. However not everyone has simple lab grade methods on hand or equipment but we can get close.

Using denatured alcohol, hardware solvents, or kitchen equipment is not compatible with achieving pharmaceutical-grade results.




Filter Selection: Micron Guidance


Filtering is a critical part of this process.


Avoid coffee filters, fabric, or makeshift setups. They are neither consistent nor clean enough for this application.




Purity Yield Expectations


  • Starting with 85–90% purity raws: expect to retain 75–85% yield with 95–98% final purity
  • Starting with 70–80% purity: expect 60–70% final yield, but potentially 95%+ purity in recovered material
  • Starting with 50–60%: much lower yield, but still usable; multiple recrystallizations may be needed

You cannot increase the quantity of active steroid..
you are simply removing the non-active garbage that never belonged there.




Why This Should Be Done by Suppliers First


The responsibility for ensuring compound purity should never fall solely on the end-user. This method exists as a response to an unreliable supply chain. Ideally, this process would be handled by:


  • Raw suppliers prior to export
  • Domestic middlemen before resale
  • UGL operators prior to formulation

Unfortunately, we know that none of these parties are consistently doing that. Until they do, this is the most accessible way to reclaim agency over the quality of your injections.




Case Use: Why You Might Still Want to Purify


Let’s say you spent $600 on 50g of Mast P raw, and it tests at 88% purity.


  • That means 12% of it is crap: moisture, oil, cut, dye, residue, who knows.
  • You were going to overdose the brew anyway to compensate.

So instead:


  • Recrystallize it
  • Remove the 12% junk that would have made your oil cloudy, painful, or difficult to sterilize
  • Formulate your gear with precision dosing and no guesswork

You didn’t lose yield. You gained control.




Follow-Up Testing and Service Outlook


I am currently in the process of:


  • Building a controlled setup with proper labware
  • Processing multiple raw batches through purification
  • Sending both unprocessed and recrystallized samples to Jano for comparative analysis

If the testing confirms what we already observe visually and physically, I will explore offering a service for those who do not have time, space, or resources to build this setup.




Final Thoughts


This process is:


  • Chemistry-backed
  • Lab-standard
  • Easily replicable with the correct tools
  • Completely justified in a contaminated market

This should never be the first option, but it is currently one of the best fallback options we have.


If the people selling us product won’t clean it, we will.


And we’ll do it right


The following are are compatible with this method.

Testosterone Enanthate

Testosterone Cypionate

Testosterone Propionate

Testosterone Phenylpropionate

Testosterone Isocaproate

Testosterone Decanoate

Testosterone Undecanoate

Trenbolone Acetate

Trenbolone Enanthate

Nandrolone Decanoate

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

Masteron Propionate

Masteron Enanthate

Primobolan Enanthate

Methenolone Acetate

Boldenone Acetate

Turinabol (Oral)

Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Oxandrolone (Anavar)

Oxymetholone (Anadrol)

Mesterolone (Proviron)

Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)

1-Testosterone (Dihydroboldenone)

1-Test Cypionate

Dihydrotestosterone (DHT base)

Methyltestosterone

Mestanolone

Drostanolone Propionate

Drostanolone Enanthate



Anything waxy or oil at room temperature will be much harder to do. It's doable, but we'll take a bit extra steps.



You'll welcome to say this is pointless, but in this current market
We either hope the manufacturers step up and do better, or we make do what we can for now. while still pushing the manufacturer to do better.
What is your purity cutoff ? For example I recieved Test E recently. "COA" provided claimed 99% Jano test came back at 95%. Would you be comfortable brewing this or would you consider this as needing to be salvaged? I ask as someone learning this craft for personal use. Thanks in advance .
 
What is your purity cutoff ? For example I recieved Test E recently. "COA" provided claimed 99% Jano test came back at 95%. Would you be comfortable brewing this or would you consider this as needing to be salvaged? I ask as someone learning this craft for personal use. Thanks in advance .
95% doesn't really mean guaranteed 95% analytical chemistry isn't magic there is margin of error bro. When I test raws i dont send 1 sample I have 5 samples tested and I go with the average.
 
You realize they make a 0.1mg/ml solution after weighing like 10mg then make dilutions from that then all they get from the machine is retention times and absorbance in UV to calculate from using calibration curves and beer lambert law. 1% accuracy is theoretical assuming every step was performed perfectly and compared to a perfect standard.
 
95% doesn't really mean guaranteed 95% analytical chemistry isn't magic there is margin of error bro. When I test raws i dont send 1 sample I have 5 samples tested and I go with the average.
I like that brother. If the average came to be around 95% purity ste you brewing or would you go through the process of salvaging?

Would you suspect our Meso brewers we (I) buy from are doing the same to produce oils? The comment below is what I recieved from my Raws source I was vetting when I shared the Jano vs his COA.

" So sorry for that maybe it's because I was in a hurry when I transferred you 100 gram from that one kg "

Again, I dont understand how the "hurrying" impacts the purity. Maybe it does. Now on the other side this was 1 of 3 Indian sources I am vetting. Truthfully I was happy to have recieved Test E as ordered based on the chatter on the matter.
 
An aging column or pump or slightly off solvents for the mobile phase or a tiny air bubble in a pipette tip or slightly off balance and on and on can cause slight variance
Great point. Given the volume Janoshik does, one might wonder how that ages the machines and the potential variance it causes. Really appreciate the insights.
 
I like that brother. If the average came to be around 95% purity ste you brewing or would you go through the process of salvaging?

Would you suspect our Meso brewers we (I) buy from are doing the same to produce oils? The comment below is what I recieved from my Raws source I was vetting when I shared the Jano vs his COA.

" So sorry for that maybe it's because I was in a hurry when I transferred you 100 gram from that one kg "

Again, I dont understand how the "hurrying" impacts the purity. Maybe it does. Now on the other side this was 1 of 3 Indian sources I am vetting. Truthfully I was happy to have recieved Test E as ordered based on the chatter on the matter.
When it comes to UGLs some are as proffesional as compounding pharmacies and some are shady as fuck and I dont know what anyone is doing thats totally up to the person to decern
 
95% doesn't really mean guaranteed 95% analytical chemistry isn't magic there is margin of error bro. When I test raws i dont send 1 sample I have 5 samples tested and I go with the average.
jano has around 1-2% error rate although he allows for higher percantages its extremely rare.

always just treat his numbers as a very accurate estimate from my experience and not some guy who watched how to test steroids on youtube xd
 
jano has around 1-2% error rate although he allows for higher percantages its extremely rare.

always just treat his numbers as a very accurate estimate from my experience and not some guy who watched how to test steroids on youtube xd
Brother thats a reasonable margin of error for an accredited GMP lab. 1 to 2% is not.
 
jano has around 1-2% error rate although he allows for higher percantages its extremely rare.

always just treat his numbers as a very accurate estimate from my experience and not some guy who watched how to test steroids on youtube xd
And no one is learning to get accurate from youtube it isn't that simple.
 
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