It was the opposite where I used to be in CT. Valero was cheaper than almost any other brand.
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It was the opposite where I used to be in CT. Valero was cheaper than almost any other brand.
hurricane
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That's so weird. Its right next to a Citgo and Hess and its always more. WTF?
At $.06 extra/gallon x 20 gallons = $1.20 more for the same 20 gallons of cheaper gas. Except Valero is Top Tier Detergent gas and Hess is not.
Pretty small difference. Especially if you have to drive out of your way to get the cheaper gas.
tenpoundsleft
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Say thank you to the liberals who've forced the ethanol shit on us. Unholy alliance of taxpayer funded agrobusiness support and standard pinko regulatory thuggery.
And lets not forget the infamous "Cash for Clunkers" program that killed off thousands of older and classic cars...
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Weird thread trukk 
lol..
lol..
Yes that was a totally horrid idea to begin with.And lets not forget the infamous "Cash for Clunkers" program that killed off thousands of older and classic cars...
Im a scholar of useless knowledge. All will be displayed here as it comes to meWeird thread trukk
tenpoundsleft
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Hess is opportunistic - for a long time Amerada Hess ran a big refinery on St Croix (set up early 60s, soon after Castro's nationalization of O&G assets in Cuba) that only refined Venezuelan sour crude. They shuttered the plant a few years ago - a combo of expensive catalysts (the sour crude requires it), increased EPA and such regulations, and also local complaints (they could sometimes smell the refinery depending on the wind direction) as well as local cash cow extortions (to fund pretty much everything on the island). Eventually there was too much overhead to remain profitable.
I guess the locals got what they wanted - the plant shut down, now they have nothing to complain about, right?
Dumbasses... now the island is starting to fall apart without the refinery to milk as well, as without all the educated whites the refinery employed who had educated spouses working locally and children etc to keep schools and medical facilities etc going. Multiplier effect. Awesome experiment of what happens when you let liberals keep biting the hand that fed them.And humorously, in a way, now St Croix (and the rest of the USVI) is trying to attract mainland business by touting various tax exemptions... Fuck, there is no end to liberal shenanigans.
I usually gas up at Valero. Good to know they use American oil. But all the workers are middle eastern. Ironic.
Huh, i get my gas from am/pm. Always thought i was just a cheap bastard. Turns out I'm doing it right.
I can tell you this. There are what's called shippers. These are the companies with the money that buy and sell the gas. They hire the carrier who transports the fuel from what we call the racks (where we the carriers load our trucks) and bring to the stations. A lot of the racks (like chevron, conoco, tesoro, etc, etc) have tanks with additive for certain blends. So, i can go load costco fuel (which has to be thier proprietary blend) at a chevron refinery or a tesoro refinery or kinder morgan, etc, etc. When the numbers are punched in to load the truck for a certain branded station it will load thier blend. I can be at kinder morgan and on the lane at a rack and choose chevron, tesoro, shell, costco, etc, etc.
Logan44551
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Cfn didn't make the cut for top tier? We use them for our work trucks at work, do you know if they use domestic or foreign oil?
Did you know that black folks from africa are the only pure homo sapeins?
All human DNA outside of africa is flavored with some Neanderthal DNA picked up in Europe or Asia
Cfn is not, what we call, the majors. Major being the big stations with a refinery. Cfn is kind of like, what we call, a mom and pop station. They use whatevers cheapest.
tenpoundsleft
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Are you saying that the "purer" you are, the closer you are to being an ape?
So the purer the car, the closer it is to being like a Model A?
Or the purer the house, the more closely it resembles a cave or a hole in the ground?
Interesting....
Glad that at least some among the rest of us have evolved then.... invented the wheel and such.
Nothing about apes. Just humans and how most of us have up to 2 percent Neanderthal dna.
Just some interesting genetic history.
We all come from the same genetics... and pick up some interesting diversity as we spread out and 10s of thousands of years go by.
tenpoundsleft
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More like 100s of thousands of years.
Non-blacks have that much Neanderthal gene. Sub-Saharans don't have any, AFAIK,to their detriment.
My point was that being "pure" is pointless.
Anyway, carry on.
The reason your mileage dropped is that an engine requires a bit over 20% more fuel when running straight alcohol vs straight gas.
Now ethanol is added at a 10 % mix to gasoline so you dont lose 20% in mileage...its more like a 3% loss.
Now flex fuel engines are made to run on gas gas ethanol or e85...they make these engines accomodate the different fuels and volumes by altering ignition timing based upon info supplied to the ecm through various sensors.
It gets interesting building perf engines if you can get the 85% alcohol fuel.
Most engines on pump gas today cannot be streched much passed 9.5 to 1 compression.
I built an engine about 5 years ago with 12.5 to 1 compression and we were able to run about 38 degrees total advance on the ignition on pump e85
The difference between the to 383 chevy's in my rear engine car was almost 2 seconds in a quarter and i think if i tweaked the fuel and timing some more it may have gotten closer to 3.
Problem is e85 is plentiful in the cornbelt but not so much anywhere else.
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