I know, which is why I dont understand why chinese oil would not be filtered to the same standards as domestic sources
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Photon
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Money talks.
See the difference in prices.
That being said, even large India pharma like Sun Pharma may not be any better than China lol
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The factory failed to investigate the source of bacteria found in test vials or deal with damaged equipment that had caused drugs to be contaminated with metal particles, according to the June inspection report, which ProPublica obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
Workers improperly handled vials and stoppers meant for sterile medications and, in some cases, failed to disinfect manufacturing areas and equipment...
FDA Inspectors Again Find Dangerous Breakdowns at an Indian Factory Supplying Medications to U.S. Consumers
The latest inspection comes 2 1/2 years after the agency allowed Sun Pharma to keep shipping some drugs to Americans even after banning the factory from the U.S. market because of quality problems.
www.propublica.org
The factory failed to investigate the source of bacteria found in test vials or deal with damaged equipment that had caused drugs to be contaminated with metal particles, according to the June inspection report, which ProPublica obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
Workers improperly handled vials and stoppers meant for sterile medications and, in some cases, failed to disinfect manufacturing areas and equipment...
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Ghoul
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Money talks.
See the difference in prices.
That being said, even large India pharma like Sun Pharma may not be any better than China lol
MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'PCT 24X7 "1 stop shop for all day healthcare"'
Sun Pharma
FDA Inspectors Again Find Dangerous Breakdowns at an Indian Factory Supplying Medications to U.S. Consumers
The latest inspection comes 2 1/2 years after the agency allowed Sun Pharma to keep shipping some drugs to Americans even after banning the factory from the U.S. market because of quality problems.
The factory failed to investigate the source of bacteria found in test vials or deal with damaged equipment that had caused drugs to be contaminated with metal particles, according to the June inspection report, which ProPublica obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
Workers improperly handled vials and stoppers meant for sterile medications and, in some cases, failed to disinfect manufacturing areas and equipment...
By this logic Chinese UGL is even higher quality than pharma.
After all, unlike regulated, routinely inspected pharma companies staffed by professionals and subject to being held legally responsible when something goes wrong, Chinese UGL has never once failed an inspection, been subject to a recall, or sued by someone hurt by their product....
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Spaceman Spiff
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Dont filter it then lol.
They won't be cutting corners. It will be fine, why would they ever do that?
I understand what you're saying, and the same with cheap vials. I'd rather be safe than sorry and the oil is cheap enough that it is still worth it. Someone else brought up EO, which I read about in the homebrew threads but still dont know what it is. I haven't ever tried chinese oils and want to know, it makes sense that they would cut corners. It also has me thinking because the raw shortage that domestic sources are just buying chinese oil, filtering it and then reselling it in new vials
Photon
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I definitely would not say that.
Some of these pharmaceutical companies are so large that they probably can afford not to care about alot of these regulations. A fine is just a slap on the wrist. In the article i linked, they've had lapses going back 20 years and are still occurring. Not all pharma products are equal.
I'm just saying to not blindly put faith just because it is "pharma quality". Also one of the reasons i switched alot of my medications to US pharma (but yet it still comes from India lol). I'm hoping the products go through stricter inspections, but who knows?
Ghoul
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India pharma is certainly a step below US pharma, but Sun is a billion dollar company that can be sued in the US. Slip ups are very costly (like $500 million costly, see below) and they have QA processes in place to avoid them. The FDA has shut down Indian pharma factories failing to meet standards. Those inspections aren't simple or easy to pass and required standards are (now) equal to those US plants have to meet...if they sell in the US or have pending applications to sell in the US. I try to use India pharma companies that have US exposure.
This is a great read on how India generic pharma works and how bad, really bad, it was not too long ago. This expose got things somewhat turned around in India.
The audiobook's enjoyably narrated if you're into those:
But as bad as India pharma is, there is no reason whatsoever to have faith that Chinese UGLs do anything for safety or quality that would add 5¢ to the process as long as they don't think it'll be discovered and interfere with sales. This is a place where manufacturers still get caught adding kidney destroying melamine to baby formula so protein content tests higher than it really is.
Jano found 20% of peptide samples were unsterile, and it's probobly more than that since the tests only check for 5 common bacteria. I guarantee you Serostim and other lyophilized pharma meds in the US are sterile. Lyophilization machines are cheap. Aseptic clean rooms are expensive.
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Spaceman Spiff
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Some top Sources may have hoarded 50+ kilos of gear over the years.
Some of these smaller ones that appeared out of nowhere may be doing what you are suggesting
What exactly is EO, is it like a super solvent to keep the gear from crashing like the guacigol or whatever its called. Please dont rip me because I have limited knowledge with brewing
AllGoodThings
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Ethyl oleate, a solvent. It's not as bad as guaiacol to most, but still has inflammatory properties and other qualities that make people avoid it.
So benzyl benzoate is the preferred solvent that many domestic sources use and benzyl alcohol is added for anti bacterial purposes right?
BamaCrazy
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As he said above it’s a solvent. It does help keep certain compounds in solution and it also thins out the oil for a smoother injection. It disperses well and most people have no allergic reaction to it. But some people do. But it’s nowhere near as toxic as guaiacol.
AllGoodThings
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That's correct as far as I know, but I'm far from knowledgeable on the subject
Oldhand
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Yes, but not long enough to say if it is working or not. I can say it reconstituted perfectly clear. No issues after pinning either.
I used up another sources stuff and am on my first vial of SSA Reta now.
Ethyl oleate is more a carrier oil than a solvent. It does have solvent properties. But you mainly use it to thin out your carrier oil. For e.g. instead of using 100% grapeseed oil, you could use 50/50 gso/eo.
Its not unheard of to use 100% eo for brews. Or at least once upon a time it wasn't. People say its toxic. Others love it. Ive never used it.
Ghoul
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Technically "bacteriostatic" purposes. They prevent bacteria from multiplying. Keeping their population "static". The concentration needed to kill bacteria is much higher than used in injectables.
I thought many of the chinese sources claim to use mct though because it's the most popular. I could be wrong and confusing that with domestic sources though, I haven't really looked into chinese oils because I didnt want to have to deal with customs
BamaCrazy
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We asked JY once for his Test E recipe. He sent the below.
Test E
335mg/ml
3% BA
22.5% BB
22.5% EO
Without testing you’ll never know what’s in the China gear. I guess that can be said about Domestic also.
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readalot
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Going to ask Jano if he will bundle HPLC and GCMS at a discount. Would be a useful package unless he has a separate EO test for less? I didn't think he did.
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