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AlexDavis43
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Something doesn't seem right
That'd make more sense for the whole 24 IU
Don’t know what to tell you. That’s how I’ve always responded for years.
Ateam2023
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I thought my 56+ was good for 10 ius , but ?
AlexDavis43
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The quick & dirty serum GH test is not really intended to reflect your personal response, but rather the amount of real GH you injected
Much lower than average (30-40) and it more likely reflects a poor GH source
Much higher than average and it more likely suggests you messed up the protocol or had overdosed GH
Ateam2023
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Damned if you do , damned if you dont, Hgh is a trippy hormone
Ghoul
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Hey man, 2 questions if you don't mind.
Where do you inject?
What's your approx weight?
I want to test a theory....
I understand. However, protocol has been the same and cycled for years and even with a MD over my shoulder. I use IGF for personal response and the Serum to make sure the shits definitely in there.
IM thigh, occasionally I’ll go subq, 195, 4%BF.
JuiceStick
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I did. Less sting than QSC tesa. I didn't test IGF-1 though.
AlexDavis43
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about to step on stage?
Ghoul
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Your numbers aligned closely with the results of a paper I read recently, which is why I suspected you injected IM.
In a study of trained, lean athletes, IM produced GH peaks more than 2.5x higher than SubQ at the same dose. This was with doses similar to PED use, not the low medical GH replacement doses.
Numbers are given as Mean (Minimum / Maximum).
Area under the curve (total exposure to GH) IM was from 1.5x to 2x higher than SubQ. From what I understand, this significantly boosts GH's fat loss and cognitive effects.
IGF was roughly the same for IM and SubQ. Area under the curve (total exposure to IGF) was slightly less with IM (~10%), reducing the IGF anabolic effect a little.
Overall, it looks like you might get a lot "more" out of a dose using IM administration than SubQ. All the GH receptor benefits (fat burning. cognition) of a dose more than twice as high, while only sacrificing 10% of the IGF (anabolic) benefits.
Thanks for sharing that. If you want the full study lmk and I'll DM you a copy. Out of curiosity, any particular reason you started injecting IM?
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Photon
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He has 4% bf...kinda hard to subq..possible but most slightly shallow IM lol
dick_starbuck
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Interesting.
Ghoul
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And if the theory holds, by injecting IM, GH is burning off any molecule of fat that even thinks about depositing itself. He's stuck in a self perpetuating cycle of hyper-lipolysis because he can't find any subcutaneous fat to inject, lol.
This is great. I really appreciate the data.
I’ve been IM because I was taught IM by my mentor. No really reason other than that. I occasionally go sub-Q out of laziness.
Thanks for this again.
explodingHeart
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Post pics. I wanna see 4% BF.
I’ll pop a slin needle for shallow IM which is why occasionally sub-Q. Otherwise, I like to javelin myself. Lol
That's gotta be stage ready? Just a noob here but didn't think that was sustainable for long at all?
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