Simplicity, consistency, accountability

twreck555

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Hey guys figured I'd start a log. Guess this will be just a quick intro. Having a bit of a reload and regroup week so figured this would be an ideal time to collect my thoughts.

I'm 45, 6,3", 206 this AM. Lifelong recreational lifter and outdoor athlete. Started TRT in September and straight away jumped on HGH as well. Have dabbled since with primo and anavar, but that's the extent of my AAS experience. Currently cruising on:

Test C 210/wk
HGH 3 iu/d
Retatrutide 4.2 mg/wk

Reta in place for overall health effects as well as helping me not eat like an asshole. Will titrate as goals and training/diet phase dictate.

I am curious to run proper cycles but we'll see, right now I realize I have a ton to gain from the above and so I'm in no rush. I have legit gained 10+ lean pounds already since September. Would love to mostly max put the potential of the above and then consider the next move.

Was mostly a climber for decades and have definitely climbed a lot of cool shit in my career but recently injuries and overall age have led me to question whether that is a sport that I can or even want to continue to participate in at a high level. Mainly, I have grade 4 chondromalacia in my left knee which has caused intermittently debilitating pain and swelling over the last three years. I finally had surgery in September and it feels way better now but there is a lot of damage in there which could not be repaired without a second much more extensive surgery. I would like to avoid this second surgery. For now, I can hike and squat and I am happy with this. I have been avoiding any higher impact activities for the moment including falling off of rocks but it's possible that this will again become an option in the future. For now, because of the surgery and recovery, I have focused on what I can do safely which is lifting and hiking. This foray into lifting and how my body has responded has taught me a lot, including the fact that the physique that I have always imagined as my ideal is in fact much heavier than I had realized. In fact, it has made me realize that actually my physique goals and climbing goals may be completely incompatible with each other and that I may need to choose one or the other to focus on at the expense of the other. So I'm doing soul a bit of soul searching to see which path I think will give me the most happiness in the long run.

I titled my log what I did because I am a person who gets lost in the details, who fails to see the forest for the trees, who spends way too much time figuring out the perfect diet and then doesn't follow it, or writing training plans that are too ambitious or complex to actually follow. So my goal with this is to keep myself on track and to consistently follow a simple plan which will allow me to progress towards my goals.

Although as mentioned above my long term goals are not 100% clear to me, in the short run I plan to focus on building muscle mass for some time and then focus on getting as lean as possible going into the summer.

Because my consistency and adherence with my own plan has been so sporadic I currently need to spend a little time figuring out some basic information such as where my isocaloric point actually is. To get started, I wrote out a basic diet last night using B Chavez's Sticky Note Sports nutrition and it looks like this:

Rest days (4):
P208 F46 C211 Cal 2090

Training days (3):
P274 F48 C306 Cal 2752

Average across the week:
P236 F47 C252 Cal 2375

My goal is to hit all the macros +/- 5%, and I think with these targets that should be fairly easy for me to do. This is my best guess at what 'maintenance ' is for my body and activity level. I could be wrong but my first goal is to just run this for a few weeks so I can see what happens. I cook almost all of my own food and try to keep it as healthy as possible.

As far as training I train full body every Wed Fri Sunday, using an A/B split. It's a basic balanced program and I'll post the details later but basically trying to hit every major movement pattern every workout but alternating exercises and rep schemes between A and B, a mix of hypertrophy and strength work but more hypertrophy than strength, a mix of barbell, dumbbell, and cable work. I train at home so no machines yet but I can get done what I need to do.

I love cardio and do a little every day. Don't currently have a specific goal but usually it's whatever I have the time and energy for. 90% of the time this is hiking with my dog, usually with added weight for extra stimulus.

I try to take proper check in pics every week as well as measurements. This week I did get the pics but no measurements lol. I'm terrible at posing so I apologize. And the obligatory bathroom selfie lol. Will post training plans and more details later. 1000015743.webp1000015575.webp1000015576.webp1000015577.webp
 
As you said "TRT" I gotta ask; what's your TT on 210mg's? I presume it's high, not only because of the high milligram number but also because you gained 10 pounds since september ...
Ha fair play. >1500. Dunno exactly. I mean, it's not really TRT at this point more of a heavy cruise I guess. I was up to 210 test plus 105 primo, switched it up to 280 test 70 primo because my e2 was low, then backed off to 210 test only because, honestly, I just didn't feel that great. And in hindsight I just don't think my body was ready for that... OR... primo isn't the drug for me. So, going to stay here, bloodwork in December, consider the next move. May go down, may go up, may just stay where I'm at. Likely the last option. Feeling better on the day to day off primo. Still growing
 
Ha fair play. >1500. Dunno exactly. I mean, it's not really TRT at this point more of a heavy cruise I guess. I was up to 210 test plus 105 primo, switched it up to 280 test 70 primo because my e2 was low, then backed off to 210 test only because, honestly, I just didn't feel that great. And in hindsight I just don't think my body was ready for that... OR... primo isn't the drug for me. So, going to stay here, bloodwork in December, consider the next move. May go down, may go up, may just stay where I'm at. Likely the last option. Feeling better on the day to day off primo. Still growing

I apologize if I presume too much by you planning on staying on 1500+ indefinitely. But this is my general warning - if this is actually your plan ...

Staying above 1500 (you are probably around 2000 Tmax) is a cycle and you wont feel good staying on such a high dose in the long run. Some people would call where you are at now "the honeymoon phase" - as you might imagine, as it's implicit in the phrase; this is only a phase, it wont last. Eventually your brain will give up, neurobiology will follow a pattern of change which can be very similar to depressed patients with a caveat of possible epigenetic changes.

Be careful, as you don't want do be an impulsive, sleepless, panicky, anxiety ridden wreck 2, 3 years from now. You should start at a solid baseline, get acquainted with it, so you now what works and can always come back to it, and only then start messing with it. It seems like you promised yourself a good time by going on the "juice", but this is a very slippery slope, leading to possible addiction, personality/mood changes, etc. I see a lot of this type of rationale in the aas community, as people basically want to ease their anxiety of death by going on high TRT and beyond dosages. But it's basically just an invitation to decadence ...

Certainly a responsible pattern of drug use, or if you want to call it "bio hacking", is by first establishing a coherent, safe and predictable drug response curve and only then deviating from the known into the unknown. This means staying a year or two, or finding, your sweet spot for TRT, seeing how you respond, mentally and physically.

Drug response, it's very intraindividual, some respond better and some not so much, but keep in mind that AAS forums (and social media in general) filter out a lot of individuals who don’t respond well to steroids, so it's very easy to get a wrong representation of the actual aas using populations drug tolerance/response. And couple that with your subjective filters/wants and the fact that the aas users also hide/don't talk about a lot sides and you've just stepped of the buss in the fairytale land.

Btw, what were your levels before you hopped on?
 
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