Simply Shredding!

[Jestopherson]

Thanks for the feedback gents. Yeah I know my goals are lofty, and I don't think I'm a genetic freak at all, but I'm still going to give it my all.

I don't think you're getting it. You have. 4 cycles under your belt I think I saw? And now you're going to run that fucking cycle? How HOW do you justify that much gear for a cut? Why are you running those compounds. Explain the reasoning because I really don't get it man.

You need to cut the training by feel out. It's not working bro. You should take the fortune you're going to spend on gear and hire a respectable coach. I hate sounding like an asshole but man, are you sure your gear was legit? I got further with 600mg of test and some var followed by a fully natty cut.

 

[meistugh]

Had a perfect day of eating today except for a tiny snack right before going to bed (now). I'm getting better at listening to my body and understanding when to give it what it needs. I felt in tune enough to indulge in about 30g of extra carbs, as I took my first dose of t3 today and I seem to have been a little hypo. Tomorrow is carb loading day, and it's also my birthday, so I'll be having a nice dinner and some cake, which is exciting. I'm aiming for about 500g of carbs, which is about double my usual daily intake currently. Tomorrow will be leg day, and I'll post an update after my training session.

Also, I've been working on my diet and will post up changes I've made for weeks 16-12-10-7-5 respectively. Each few weeks I'll be making slight tweaks with carbs and fats to adjust calories even further into a deficit. Of course I'll see how I feel when I get to those points during the cycle as well and determine the appropriate training regimen to go along with those changes.

This is my 3rd week back lifting consistently after a long hiatus, and I'm feeling really good! No sides really so to speak, except slightly more assertiveness and aggression in the gym.

I appreciate everyone's responses and concern for what I'm doing, and although I know what I'm undergoing might not be everyone's choice for themselves, it's not going to prevent me from moving forward and grinding everyday as hard as possible to achieve my goals. If you want to support me, then thank you and stay tuned for daily updates and in time, end results.

*FWIW, I never disclosed any information about past drug use, so maybe you read wrong, or are confusing this thread with another person's.

Also, I see a lot of comparisons in people's responses, which is a little confusing as there's not much to compare, considering my journey has just begun. If you are interested in seeing what I can achieve then stick around and then compare, otherwise please be respectful as I've done nothing to disrespect anyone here.

It's time for me to sleep. Weighing in at 218lbs before bed. Goodnight Meso and thanks for allowing me an outlet to log and hopefully track progress.

 

[meistugh]

As I'm waiting for the gym to open I decided to work on my diet a little. Here's what I've come up with counting from week 16-finish (April-July). Calories have been manipulated and reduced through carb reduction, fat increases, then both carb and fat reduction in the last stretch. I will be able to better determine my caloric deficit at those times as my body weight changes, so I left it TBD for now. I will be making tweaks as the weeks go by and adjusting what I think is necessary as I go based on my progress, burning states and overall look/feeling.

Week 16-13

Diet: Rotate calories/carbs/fats
268g protein 1,072 calories
68g fat 612 calories
257g carbs 1,028 calories
2,712 calories (~488kcal deficit)

7:00am - Cardio (LISS) M-Sat weeks 1-16
-1 sugar free monster
30 min fasted weeks 1-4
40 min fasted weeks 5-8
50 min fasted weeks 9-12

9:00am - Meal 1:
-1C egg whites
-greens/onions/tomatoes
-3 whole eggs
-2 packs instant oats
52g protein, 62g carbs, 16g fat

11:00-11:30: nap time

12:00pm - Meal 2:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-280g cooked white rice
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp cod liver oil
54g protein, 78g carbs, 20g fat

1:30pm - Train
Pre/Intra-workout:
-preworkout + water
-EAAs + 16oz Coconut water
0g protein, 20g carbs, 0g fat

3:00pm - Meal 3: PWO
-16oz orange juice
-170g raspberries
-1 banana
-2 scoops whey protein
54g protein, 97g carbs, 0g fat

6:00pm - Meal 4:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

8:00pm - Cardio M-Sat weeks 13-16
30 min LISS week 13
40 min LISS week 14
50 min LISS week 15-16

9:00pm - Meal 5:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

*No pwo shake/intra on rest days (lower carb)
*No carbs during breakfast on rest days (add in extra tbsp cod liver oil or small avocado)
*1 high carb refeed day a week (500g+)
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Week 12-11 (decreased ~100 calories, dropped 57g carbs, increased fat 14g)

Diet: Rotate calories/carbs/fats
268g protein 1,072 calories
82g fat 738 calories
200g carbs 800 calories
2,610 calories (deficit TBD)

7:00am - Cardio (LISS) M-Sat weeks 1-16
-1 sugar free monster
30 min fasted weeks 1-4
40 min fasted weeks 5-8
50 min fasted weeks 9-12

9:00am - Meal 1:
-1C egg whites
-greens/onions/tomatoes
-3 whole eggs
-sugar free ketchup
52g protein, 5g carbs, 16g fat

11:00-11:30: nap time

12:00pm - Meal 2:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-280g cooked white rice
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp cod liver oil
54g protein, 78g carbs, 20g fat

1:30pm - Train
Pre/Intra-workout:
-preworkout + water
-EAAs + 16oz Coconut water
0g protein, 20g carbs, 0g fat

3:00pm - Meal 3: PWO
-16oz orange juice
-170g raspberries
-1 banana
-2 scoops whey protein
54g protein, 97g carbs, 0g fat

6:00pm - Meal 4:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

8:00pm - Cardio M-Sat weeks 13-16
30 min LISS week 13
40 min LISS week 14
50 min LISS week 15-16

9:00pm - Meal 5:
-7oz cooked flank steak
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp evoo
56g protein, 0g carbs, 30g fat

*No pwo shake/intra on rest days (lower carb)
*1 high carb refeed day a week (450g+)
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Week 10-8 (decreased 200 calories, dropepd 50g carbs)

Diet: Rotate calories/carbs/fats
268g protein 1,072 calories
82g fat 738 calories
150g carbs 600 calories
2,410 calories (deficit TBD)

7:00am - Cardio (LISS) M-Sat weeks 1-16
-1 sugar free monster
30 min fasted weeks 1-4
40 min fasted weeks 5-8
50 min fasted weeks 9-12

9:00am - Meal 1:
-1C egg whites
-greens/onions/tomatoes
-3 whole eggs
-sugar free ketchup
52g protein, 5g carbs, 16g fat

11:00-11:30: nap time

12:00pm - Meal 2:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-280g cooked white rice
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp cod liver oil
54g protein, 78g carbs, 20g fat

1:30pm - Train
Pre/Intra-workout:
-preworkout + water
-EAAs + 16oz Coconut water
0g protein, 20g carbs, 0g fat

3:00pm - Meal 3: PWO
-16oz sugar free lemonade
-170g raspberries
-1 banana
-2 scoops whey protein
54g protein, 47g carbs, 0g fat

6:00pm - Meal 4:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

8:00pm - Cardio M-Sat weeks 13-16
30 min LISS week 13
40 min LISS week 14
50 min LISS week 15-16

9:00pm - Meal 5:
-7oz cooked flank steak
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp evoo
56g protein, 0g carbs, 30g fat

*No pwo shake/intra on rest days (lower carb)
*1 high carb refeed day a week (400g+)
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Week 7-6 (decreased 200 calories, dropped 50g carbs)

Diet: Rotate calories/carbs/fats
268g protein 1,072 calories
82g fat 738 calories
100g carbs 400 calories
2,210 calories (deficit TBD)

7:00am - Cardio (LISS) M-Sat weeks 1-16
-1 sugar free monster
30 min fasted weeks 1-4
40 min fasted weeks 5-8
50 min fasted weeks 9-12

9:00am - Meal 1:
-1C egg whites
-greens/onions/tomatoes
-3 whole eggs
-sugar free ketchup
52g protein, 5g carbs, 16g fat

11:00-11:30: nap time

12:00pm - Meal 2:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-105g cooked white rice
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp cod liver oil
54g protein, 28g carbs, 20g fat

1:30pm - Train
Pre/Intra-workout:
-preworkout + water
-EAAs + 16oz Coconut water
0g protein, 20g carbs, 0g fat

3:00pm - Meal 3: PWO
-16oz sugar free lemonade
-170g raspberries
-1 banana
-2 scoops whey protein
54g protein, 47g carbs, 0g fat

6:00pm - Meal 4:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

8:00pm - Cardio M-Sat weeks 13-16
30 min LISS week 13
40 min LISS week 14
50 min LISS week 15-16

9:00pm - Meal 5:
-7oz cooked flank steak
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp evoo
56g protein, 0g carbs, 30g fat

*No pwo shake/intra on rest days (lower carb)
*1 high carb refeed day a week (300g+)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Week 5-1 (decrease calories ~400 , dropped 48g carbs, dropped fats 23g)

Diet: Rotate calories/carbs/fats
268g protein 1,072 calories
59g fat 531 calories
52g carbs 208 calories
1,811 calories (deficit TBD)

7:00am - Cardio (LISS) M-Sat weeks 1-16
-1 sugar free monster
30 min fasted weeks 1-4
40 min fasted weeks 5-8
50 min fasted weeks 9-12

9:00am - Meal 1:
-2C egg whites
-sugar free ketchup
52g protein, 5g carbs, 0g fat

11:00-11:30: nap time

12:00pm - Meal 2:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-.5tbsp cod liver oil
54g protein, 0g carbs, 13g fat

1:30pm - Train
Pre/Intra-workout:
-preworkout + water
-EAAs + water
0g protein, 0g carbs, 0g fat

3:00pm - Meal 3: PWO
-16oz sugar free lemonade
-170g raspberries
-1 banana
-2 scoops whey protein
54g protein, 47g carbs, 0g fat

6:00pm - Meal 4:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

8:00pm - Cardio M-Sat weeks 13-16
30 min LISS week 13
40 min LISS week 14
50 min LISS week 15-16

9:00pm - Meal 5:
-7oz cooked flank steak
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp evoo
56g protein, 0g carbs, 30g fat

*No pwo shake/intra on rest days (lower carb)
*1 high carb refeed day a week (250g+)
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I weighed in at 213.8lbs this morning, and I'm feeling pretty depleted and flat, though it seems as though my abs are slightly more visible then they were yesterday. Also, my chest and triceps aren't very sore from yesterdays workout, so I think I'll have to make some changes going forward for my next workout. I like to be able to feel things afterwards, so I know I really connected with the muscle group. The workout before last, for chest, was amazing, with heavy dumbbell flys being one of my most favorite exercises.

Alas, today will be either leg or back day depending on how I feel, as tomorrow I will rest from all activity. I will be carb loading today, and probably have extra fats as well from my birthday cake and cheat meals. I'm grateful to be able to take a break from dieting today and hopefully fill my glycogen stores back up for the coming week.

Today marks day 2 of taking t3 at 50mcg. I am dosing this in the mornings first thing before doing cardio, and on my off day I will do the same, in the am on an empty stomach.

Back with more updates soon. Have a great day Meso.

 

[meistugh]

I've also made slight tweaks to my doses. Will keep playing around with this as I go through the coming weeks.

April
1,000mg test cyp week 1-4
350mg tren ace week 1-4
100mg anadrol ed week 1-4

May:
1,000mg test cyp week 5-8
525mg tren ace week 5-8
30mg halo ed week 7-8

June:
1,000mg test cyp week 9-12
700mg tren ace week 9-12
100mg anadrol ed week 9-12
10mg halo ed week 9-10

July:
800mg test cyp week 13-14 then drop
700mg tren ace week 13-15 then drop
150mg anadrol ed 15-16
20mg halo ed week 14.5-16

*drop creatine week 15
Week 16 measure BF

August:
Cruise

 

[meistugh]

Cardio was easy and I skipped abs because I felt a little sore from yesterday still. For breakfast I added 1.5tbsp honey and a banana to my oats for an additional 50g of carbs, and about an oz of mozzarella cheese to my eggs for a little extra fat/protein.

I plan on adding 350g white rice to meal 5 and 6 for an extra 200g of carbs, and adding a banana/peanut butter/honey sandwich before bed. I'll also be indulging in at least 1 slice of birthday cake. Hopefully, this will put me at around 350-400g of carbs for the day, which would be a solid refeed.

I plan on hitting back today not legs, as it's one of my favorite workout sessions, and being my birthday I'd like to enjoy myself. Will post an update after training and as the day goes onward. Feeling good and staying positive!

 

[Ferenor]

I would inject the same at the end of your cycle if the calories are going low.

 

[meistugh]

I will take this into consideration, thank you Ferenor.

 

[malfeasance]

Well, you have me intensely interested now. I will be following along. Perhaps progress pics once a month or so?

 

[liteboost]

and exacly

Hey all, I'm posting this for feedback and advice, and to keep as accurate of a log as I can as I progress through my journey. Comment away and help me out if you want. I'm really serious about getting peeled as quickly as possible. Thanks for tuning in! Trying to keep things as simple as possible.

Stats:
5'11"
35 years
214lbs
17%bf
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Goals: Shred up
Stay between 205-210lbs at cruise, while cut to 6% or less BF (impossible)?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cycle:
April
1,500mg test cyp week 1-4
350mg tren ace week 1-4
100mg anadrol ed week 1-4

May:
1,000mg test cyp week 5-8
525mg tren ace week 5-8
10mg halo ed week 7-8

June:
750mg test cyp week 9-12
700mg tren ace week 9-12
100mg anadrol ed week 9-12
10mg halo ed week 9-10

July:
750mg test cyp week 13-14 then drop
1,000mg tren ace week 13-15 then drop
150mg anadrol ed 15-16

Week 15-16 measure BF

August:
30mg test prop ed week 17
240mg test cyp week 17~
No PCT, cruise on 240mg test cyp until bulk (10-12 weeks cruising)?
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Ancillaries:
.25mg adex eod (dropped to e3d at cruise)
.5mg pramipexole ed (through week 16)
15mg cialis ed indefinitely
375mcg hCG M,W,F indefinitely
200mg doxycycline ed 12 weeks
50mcg t3 ed week 2-13
melanotan 2 year round
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Supplements:
multivitamin
vitamin D3
vitamin K (on order)
zinc
cod liver oil
milk thistle
NAC
magnesium-taurate
potassium-citrate
creatine
melatonin
l-lysine
EAAs (on order)
pre-workout (on order)
nexium/tums
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Diet: Rotate calories/carbs/fats
268g protein 1,072 calories
68g fat 612 calories
257g carbs 1,028 calories
2,712 calories (~500kcal deficit)

7:00am - Cardio (LISS) M-Sat weeks 1-16
-1 sugar free monster
30 min fasted weeks 1-4
40 min fasted weeks 5-8
50 min fasted weeks 9-12

9:00am - Meal 1:
-1C egg whites
-greens/onions/tomatoes
-3 whole eggs
-2 packs instant oats
52g protein, 62g carbs, 16g fat

11:00-11:30: nap time

12:00pm - Meal 2:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-280g cooked white rice
-steamed/sauteed veggies
-1tbsp cod liver oil
54g protein, 78g carbs, 20g fat

1:30pm - Train
Pre/Intra-workout:
-preworkout + water
-EAAs + 16oz Coconut water
0g protein, 20g carbs, 0g fat

3:00pm - Meal 3: PWO
-16oz orange juice
-170g raspberries
-1 banana
-2 scoops whey protein
54g protein, 97g carbs, 0g fat

6:00pm - Meal 4:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

8:00pm - Cardio M-Sat weeks 13-16
30 min LISS week 13
40 min LISS week 14
50 min LISS week 15-16

9:00pm - Meal 5:
-6oz cooked chicken breast
-steamed/sauteed veggies/salad
-1.5tbsp pesto sauce
54g protein, 0g carbs, 16g fat

*No pwo shake/intra on rest days (lower carb)
*No carbs during breakfast on rest days (add in extra tbsp cod liver oil or small avocado)
*1 high carb refeed day a week (500g+)
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Notes:
Ramipril on hand
Donate blood every 56 days
No sarms, hgh, slin, seo, or peptides (want to keep things simple)
I know doses are high, but i dont use pharm grade
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Training:
Whatever isn't sore, 2-3 on 1 off approach, emphasis on chest/calves/upper lats/triceps
Stretch/foam roll + light abs every morning before/after AM cardio
Utilize straight sets 10-12 rep range/short rest period mainly
Throw in different style sets (failure, density, pyramids) every other workouk/exercise movement dependent

Glad you post this here so we can help you and prevent you hurting yourself. Im not trying to be a dick but man. You need to get a good coach or you need to educate yourself more.

There no shortcut or shortcut to get "peeled". First of all. Cut your drug intake by 1/3 and start from there. Don't do cardio everyday. Do the amount least to get you one step closer to your goals this if for everything. Drugs/cardio/calories. Adjust by small increments when you don't see any progress.

2700kcal for diet start for 17% bodyfat and 214lb's is low. I don't know you but something is off if that information is real.

Building you body isn't a sprint. It's a marathon.

 

[Jestopherson]

and exacly


Glad you post this here so we can help you and prevent you hurting yourself. Im not trying to be a dick but man. You need to get a good coach or you need to educate yourself more.

There no shortcut or shortcut to get "peeled". First of all. Cut your drug intake by 1/3 and start from there. Don't do cardio everyday. Do the amount least to get you one step closer to your goals this if for everything. Drugs/cardio/calories. Adjust by small increments when you don't see any progress.

2700kcal for diet start for 17% bodyfat and 214lb's is low. I don't know you but something is off if that information is real.

Building you body isn't a sprint. It's a marathon.

I'd say cut the drugs to 1/3 of what he's got up. Should have no issues preserving his mass..

 

[liteboost]

I'd say cut the drugs to 1/3 of what he's got up. Should have no issues preserving his mass..

Yes exactly. My english not so good. I meant that if hes taking 1500test -> drop to 500 and Tren 600 -> drop to 200 and so on.

 

[Logan44551]

I've also made slight tweaks to my doses. Will keep playing around with this as I go through the coming weeks.

April
1,000mg test cyp week 1-4
350mg tren ace week 1-4
100mg anadrol ed week 1-4

May:
1,000mg test cyp week 5-8
525mg tren ace week 5-8
30mg halo ed week 7-8

June:
1,000mg test cyp week 9-12
700mg tren ace week 9-12
100mg anadrol ed week 9-12
10mg halo ed week 9-10

July:
800mg test cyp week 13-14 then drop
700mg tren ace week 13-15 then drop
150mg anadrol ed 15-16
20mg halo ed week 14.5-16

*drop creatine week 15
Week 16 measure BF

August:
Cruise

Dude, your going to hurt yourself with those doses. 30mg of halo?! Jesus your blood pressure is going to be through the roof

 

[malfeasance]

Yes exactly. My english not so good. I meant that if hes taking 1500test -> drop to 500 and Tren 600 -> drop to 200 and so on.

Your English is great. Perfectly understandable.

 

[Sampei]

I mean the cycle is retarded but NO ONE has fucking seen the 200mg doxy for the whole 14 weeks??? Ahahhahahhahah
Do you know what does happen when you take antibiotics countinously to avoid acne like a fucking dumb idiot? That you build a resistance to it and when in the future you will really need that antibiotics or similar one for something serious... You are fucked!

The rest of the log is a mess of fucked up shit that I hope no one will ever follow it.

 

[meistugh]

Thanks for your input guys. I had an amazing back workout this afternoon, high volume, heavy as I could muster. Balls to the wall 100% exertion.

Started with lat pulldowns, x4 sets
120 x 20
150 x 15
190 x 12
210 x 10

Moved onto shrugs since the machines were mostly in use. It seems like everyone was hitting back today!

125lb dumbbell shrugs x3 sets
x15
x12
x10

Hammer Strength rows single arm x4 sets
2 plates x 20
3 plates x 15
3 and a quarter plates x 12
3 and a quarter plates x 7

Lateral cable rows x3 sets
150 x 15
190 x 13
210 x 11

Cable pulldowns x3 sets
120 x 15
120 x 12
120 x 9

Dumbbell rows x3
110lb x 12
110lb x 10
110lb x 7

At this point my grip strength was about toasted.

I really wanted to see how Deads felt so..

Deadlifts x2 sets
225lb x 10
315lb x 2 (grip just gone at this point, but the weight felt light otherwise)

Finished up with some dumbbell hammer curls 45lbs x3
x15
x12
x10

Regular dumbbell curls 30lbs x2
x15
x10

Overall I felt really good, and I took a decent amount of time between sets due to being winded pretty easily. (Rested around 2 minutes max).

Blood pressure checked, 130/65, not too bad at all considering.

On a side note, I actually ended up snacking a little after breakfast before my pre-workout meal. I had some Cheetos which I'm not too proud of due to them having a slightly higher fat content than I'd like. It did add in a few extra carbs, however, and I increased the rice in my pre-workout meal from 280g of white rice to 350g for even more carbs.

PWO shake stayed the same, and I have rice cooked for meals 5 and 6 waiting to be portioned out.

It's been a great day so far and I'm really happy with how I felt in the gym. Like, things are clicking again.

*FWIW the doxycycline isn't a concern to me, as it's commonly prescribed for up to 3 months at a time. It's actually working wonders in the two weeks I've been taking it, and might stop after the first month if I feel I don't need it anymore. I've had a little bacterial infection in my skin since starting TRT a few months ago (even with my E2 dialed in), and so this will be a short harmless remedy. However, I do appreciate your concern.

Additionally, I've decided to heed Ferenor's advice and keep my dosage the same for the last 4 weeks. It will look like this:

April
1,000mg test cyp week 1-4
350mg tren ace week 1-4
100mg anadrol ed week 1-4

May:
1,000mg test cyp week 5-8
525mg tren ace week 5-8
30mg halo ed week 7-8 (Will keep an eye on BP, have Ramipril on hand, and will be mindful to lower the dose if necessary, and keep in mind this dose is only for 2 weeks).

June:
1,000mg test cyp week 9-12
700mg tren ace week 9-12
100mg anadrol ed week 9-12
10mg halo ed week 9-10

July:
1,000mg test cyp week 13-14 then drop
700mg tren ace week 13-15 then drop
150mg anadrol ed 15-16
20mg halo ed week 14.5-16

*drop creatine week 15
Week 16 measure BF

August:
Cruise - Introduce Test Prop for 2-4 weeks alongside Cyp to jumpstart TRT blood levels.

Thank you all for reading and may you have a pleasant evening and weekend!

 

[Ferenor]

Hey, testosterone was the smallest issue here. If my opinion is that important for you I can tell you something else lol.

 

[meistugh]

I'm open to suggestions!

 

[Ferenor]

As everyone already said... I would Lower again the testosterone, say 500 mg. And keep the tren at 350 max. You are not competing... right? Anadrol save it for when you are going to bulk. And if you really want to use that Halo, use it 4-3 weeks at the end of your blast. I'd prefer 3 weeks out since it's a really strong oral, but I don't have direct experience.

 

[meistugh]

I will give this some thought, thank you for the suggestions.

 

[meistugh]

This was one of the nicest treats I've indulged in some time. Thanks fam, and hope everyone's doing well here at Meso.