Some of my favorite quotes of doggcrapp link...

This is FOR Dante:


"Thanks Lou, but I have not been practicing what I preach at all this year--LOL--I dieted down from 298 to 272 for that show from October to December and then pulled out and then my training from January till now has been off and on with Trueprotein coming to fruition. Along with that, I make everyone I train do cardio 2-3 times a week on offtraining days but ive done maybe 6 sessions (tops) in the last 6 months --and Im pretty strict Monday thru Friday with carb cuttoffs but good god on the weekends im a glutton (Coldstone Creamery) and carb cuttoffs get thrown in the toilet--- oh well---My family is coming out from East Coast for a reunion in 10 days so as soon as June ends Ill get back on schedule with cardio and carb cuttoff strictness and Ill get back on track--Ive been trying hard the last couple years to get the look i have at 275lbs (which I like) at 300lbs.....so you trainees that I get on your ass about you not doing something I want you to do, you now have fuel for the fire which is "Screw you Dante, youve been slacking it for 6 months anyway-lol"
 
"I see some people are confused a little bit on the blasting and cruising and i want to clear something up. This goes for enhanced as well as natural trainers. The enhanced guys always blast hardcore for 4-8 weeks with a 2 week cruise. Natural guys do the same principle but I leave it up to them to when they want to cruise. Some natural guys start getting beat at 6-8 weeks of all out hardcore training and then some natural guys can go 3-4 months before they feel they should cruise. Either way you must cruise sometime and if you dont, I promise you--you will stagnate. Ok this is where some people are getting confused--at the end of the cruising point. Whenever you start a new blasting you shouldn't look at the old blasting logbook and try to beat the last blasting ending weights. Just do this--do your best and wing it and set all new baselines to destroy. Push hard but dont live and die by the last blastings numbers--set new ones and destroy them. Your new baselines might be past your last blasting poundages or it might be slightly less--regardless just do your best you can over the first 6 workouts setting new baselines. Start off with extreme stretching slow the first week back too. You will see that at the end of every blasting you most definitely will be ahead of any weights you ever did for an exercise in a previous blasting."
 
"People figuring out yet that genetics and back breaking poundages used in training are what separates pro physiques and that drugs are not the telltale deciding factor?better suited for people who have exhausted all means of training and have 3-5 years under their training belt. The one way road to failure in bodybuilding is overanalyzing yourself to death and switching things up every 3 weeks before you even have a bit of a clue whats working"
 
" Alot of people believe if they train like so and so pro bodybuilder or use the techniques that they used to build a bodypart that they will end up with the same development or close to it. And Im writing this to tell you something that really sucks but its the honest truth. Your weak bodyparts that are still there after a year or two of hard training are always going to remain weaker bodyparts for you even at your very top level of development. Whatever your standout bodyparts are after a year or two of training (chest, triceps, legs) will always be strong bodyparts in the long run. Basically if your pretty damn lean after a year of training that picture you take right then and there is going to be the same shape you have after you put 30-60lbs of muscle mass on your frame. Your not going to be filling in short attached biceps or building lower calves by doing anything special and extraordinary. People dont want to believe this stuff because it screws up the dream of it all. Most of the guys in this forum have been training for awhile--take a look at your physique--what bodypart is really weak? Im sorry but that bodypart is going to always be a weak link in your arsenal. You might get it up in size by working your ass off but its never going to be rock the world stellar. This is all about genetics--it is the make or break of being a bodybuilder. Alot of you watched Marcus Ruhl's latest video and saw his normal training partner (in his hotel room (not simone). Did he look even close to Marcus in size/muscularity? He is obviously doing the same things as Marcus inside the gym and most likely even outside of the gym, but he might of been maybe 220-230lbs and wasnt even remotely close to Marcus's development. Dont you think alot of pros have longtime freinds or training partners? Dont you think they are training and doing the exact same things (food, drugs, supplements, training)? Then why arent they walking around at 4.0lbs of muscle mass per inch of height like the pro? "


this is another one I had to get thru my own head
jim
 
Here is my workout today
1 set of hamstring glute kickbacks from a low cable assembly with one of those fuzzy collars on my ankle and I had leg warmers on *(restpaused of course)
5lb dumbell flyes on one of the 24 hour fitness blue balls (done on a slight incline to isolate the upper outer quadrant of the stanchion CB37 fiber of the upper pec)
heavy sidebends with 100lb dumbells to get huge obliques
40 sets of cable crossovers for chest because every single one of the 17-22 year olds in my gym do it religiously yet somehow there is a forcefield around the leg equipment
heavy squats (2 inches down and back up) leg presses (3 inches down and back up) and hacks (2 inches down and back up) with as many 45's as i could find so I could look cool as hell and *like an animal to people around the gym yet still get no clue why many years later I still have no quads
shadow boxing for 12 minutes but not by myself in the corner to not bug people, but right in front of everyones way and the dumbell rack so everyone in the gym can think "wow that guy must be one tough bastard"
(if anyone cant tell im joking or you actually do the above--its time to give up lifting and take up butterfly collecting) "
 
From Dante:
"This post is going to make me look like an ass--so be it. Im seeing posts in this forum that are seriously alarming me here and if it pisses you off what im saying, well welcome to the freaking wake up call! My methods arent for the weekend quarterback and they sure arent for the beginning lifter, they never have and never will be. This is for hardcore bodybuilders ONLY, lets get that straight right here and now. Im seeing posts in here about, "well I cant play basketball and I cant rockclimb if I do deadlifts on thursdays and I dont want to use wrist straps because"..... WELL THAT SUCKS----PICK ONE OR THE OTHER HERE THEN!!!!! BECAUSE MY METHODS ARE ABOUT MAKING SOMEONE A BODYBUILDER THE FASTEST WAY POSSIBLE. My methods arent out there so you can be a hybrid bodybuilder/tennis player. Thats what mens health and muscle and fitness is for! This is about extremes and limits and if you can run around jumping and playing full court basketball, there is no doubt in my mind that you dont have a clue how hard we are training legs here.... Do you want to be a rock climber or do you want to be a bodybuilder? Because my methods are 100% made to get you on the fasttrack in bodybuilding. If your worried about your hamstrings being sore so you cant play handball every tues and thurs nite, then your in the wrong fucking forum! IM sorry but these things dont mix well. Just like if I wanted to become a wordclass 50m swimmer, you wouldnt see me eating and training like a superheavyweight powerlifter. This isnt for weekend warriors and i dont want it to be--this is serious stuff--extremes. So if your goals arent to be the best bodybuilder your genetics will allow, your in the wrong place readingwise and doing the wrong thing trainingwise.
Second of all--there is starting to be a proliferation of 16-20 year olds jumping on this bandwagon. Now there are some 20 year olds that have their head on straight with this (very rare) but when I start seeing posts about run of the mill basic Flex magazine crap (squatting low is bad for your knees and other crap) then there is a big problem. Whats next--the body can only assimilate 25 grams of protein a meal? eating according to the food pyramid? blue ball core training? I dont want to see a dumbing down of this forum--this is for advanced lifters who already know the basics and have been thru them. You have seen Massive G say this a million times and IM going to reiterate this. THIS IS NOT FOR ANYONE THAT HASNT BEEN LIFTING FOR AT LEAST 3 YEARS. Can any 30 year old in this forum say to me that he is less hardcore and can drum up less intensity than he did when he was 18 years old? Because I can crank it out about 4 times as hard now, and I know you guys can too. I roll my eyes every single time I see a 16-20 year old telling everyone how "hardcore" and "balls to the wall" they are. Unless your Usmuscle who is an old man in bodybuilding years compared to his real age, trust me you havent got a clue in the world. A set of 8 that you do at 18 years old (that you thought you were the "man" doing) can probably be grinded out for 13 reps at 30 years old.... even if the strength is the same, because you develop a serious brutal fortitude with age. If you have been lifting 5 years steady with flat biceps genetically, and still think that if you bomb concentration curls you will somehow magically 'all of a sudden' develop a Colemanesque peak, your in the wrong damn forum.
Thirdly, everybody wants to cookie cutter this stuff and its frustrating the hell out of me and Inhuman and others. Some things are basic and can be used by everyone. But there is alot of stuff that has to be individually decided according to you dietwise and also to you injurywise, strengthwise, timewise, etc etc etc. I see people asking questions sometimes outside of the basic training regimen (which is pretty universal but definitely not in all cases recovery wise) and others giving cookie cutter answers like "one size fits all" even if its dietwise. If Inhuman or myself arent training you (this is to newer guys) you got to use some deductive reasoning in all of this please. On cycles for pennies there was a guy who asked me what I ate and I posted what I ate the day before exactly. I didnt think much about it. Sometimes I post things and dont think of the consequences of them (like the goddamn 6 second negative phase which I didnt think everyone would be so anal about and has been a monkey on my back ever since) ...at that time I wrote about what I ate the day before...... I was 290 or so lbs but was working an incredibly hard labourous job and was finding it really difficult to gain weight. That single day if I remember right came out to 7800 calories and 564 grams of protein--THAT WAS FOR ME AND ME ONLY!!! And even with eating that much my weight gain that year sucked pretty much, thats how hard that job was. What do i see? That exact days eating has been passed around and around and around for the last 3-4 years in a Doggcrapp training pdf as "DC's diet recommendation" and people are following that. If I ate that diet now I would be a blimp because IM much more sedentary and do alot of office and desk work. I still eat 450-650 grams of protein but my calories are much much lower. There are things I have certain trainees doing in their workouts that I wouldnt have anyone else do. Injuries to work around. Hell Ih knows this firsthand as he has to really watch his back. There are alot of decisions to make outside of the basic structure of this all including timing of cardio and carb cuttoffs due to how/when a person works. But the biggest thing of all is fixing problems. I have to continually fix problems every time a trainee of mine comes to a plateau and i have to look at everything as a whole and plug the leak. Its been very very rare that I have had a trainee who didnt plateau out at some point and I had to fix it somehow. Thats so important and needs to be done or someone will be training and spinning his wheels in place indefinitely. And noone including myself wants to train for 6 months busting his hump getting nowhere. My main point here is I'm seeing people want this all set in stone and it cant be done like that. If Fred is 300lbs, with a bad back, and has 200lbs of lean muscle, and works 14 hours a day, and is lactose intolerant, with high blood pressure, I sure as hell am not going to have him doing the exact same things as Rick, who is 230lbs, with 200lbs of lean muscle, with a really bad shoulder, incredibly bad recovery ability, works 6 hours a day, 6 days a week, and has shin splints limiting his treadmill walking. Do I want everyone starting out to be doing the M W F split--yes because thats proven to work best for the majority but when we get into diet and other things, thats a whole new ballgame here and it cannot be done with a cookie cutter"
 
" Try this next time anyone thats having trouble with hammer presses of any kind. Sit your ass as far back as it can go, I mean press it against the pad hard or the metal beam, raise your sternum upward and pinch your shoulderblades inward (like when your doing a rear double bicep)--and at that point press back against the pad now with your back and stay in that position the whole entire set. Use your feet and leverage to keep you in that position (sternum high, ass pressed back hard, and shoulder blades inward). On ever single rep, your breathing in on the eccentric part of the rep so your chest should be filling with air and raising anyway on the downswing, but when the handles are coming back down to the rubber stoppers check yourself on every rep and make sure your back in that position when you push forward again -this takes a millisecond and Im actually checking my position right before the handles hit the rubber stops so as soon as they hit i push the positive again. Ive had to fix alot of guys on these over the years and if you can get them to stay in the rear double bicep pose position on these they work extraordinarily well but if you flatten your chest and especially at the top push with your front delts, your waiting for injury to happen"
 
another great one:



"THINK ABOUT IT!!!! Your 200lbs, eat like a 250lb guy to get freakshow bigger, and train like a rhino with heavy weights to get larger but also do everything in your power (green tea, cardio, carb cuttoffs) to keep at a bodyfat percentage that your proud of or can live with. This is all about turning your body into a muscle building fat burning blast furnace!
If you do bulking and cutting for the next 2 years and with all those "cutting cycles" adding up to a years time, guess what you just gave up a year of lifting--one year of nonexistant muscle mass accumalation. Thats like lifting for the next 6 years and you only get 3 years of productivity out of it. See the problem is, alot of people try to stay lean year round while also tryng their hardest to put on muscle mass and they do it all wrong. They eat like a 190lber trying to get to 250lbs and think that--by some miracle that will get them there. This is all about becomeing a food processing machine here. Take in a surplus (protein/food), create a demand to put on muscle (seriously heavy lifting/DC training) and then taking care of excesses and burning them off (carb cuttoffs/cardio/thermogenisis)----eating and training like a 300lbs offseason behemoth but doing everything else in your power to be that guy walking around at 7-14% bodyfat (whatever floats your boat)....See its not that hard, just think it out....but most of all dont waste your freaking time taking 2 steps forward and 1.5 steps backward....this is about constant forward progress. If I hear anyone say "cutter" or "bulker" again on this board, you get the official title of "bodybuilding.com guy", like a scarlet letter. This is constant bulking and cutting at the same time and you dont forsake one for the other unless your competing for a show. "
 
sit at your desk right now and pretend your doing an incline bench press and control the weight down---now do it again and count one onethousand two onethousand and see what you come up with--for me it comes out to about 4 seconds. Whats it going to be on a t bar row? it sure as hell wont be 4 seconds. Maybe 2 seconds. What will it be on a squat? If you go rock bottom and pause and raise up like I want you to do them it will probably be a true 3-4 seconds. My whole reasoning of this is if you want to spend the time to research it on medline the positive part of a movement is a priming (strengthening predominantly) method and the eccentric is where most of the cellular disruption is taking place----without getting too wordy here because im hungry and have to eat---they tried testing with only positive movements and it had less effect than both together. they tried to do eccentric only training and it didnt work as well without the positive.....explosive positive and controlled negative have been stated too many times too discount. The trouble starts when people start overanalyzing this again to death with stopwatches. If your controlling the weight down instead of just letting it drop then your doing A ok. If you took the whole amount of people who are in lean shape but claim to be powerlifters and the whole amount of people who are in lean shape who claim to be bodybuilders (or rather who are trying to look like one) (this group would be huge) and made them stand in front of you, you would see a glaring fact. Most of the powerlifters you would be able to tell that they lifted because of their thickness. I would estimate that about 35-40% of the bodybuilders you would be able to actually tell lifted. You can see this by going into your gym tonite. See all those people lifting? How many people in the gym are there and how many would you actually be able to tell are lifters if you saw them walk down the street? The powerlifter group is a smaller number definitely but I can always tell a powerlifter in my gym--big traps and thick muscle mass. Gee why is that? Its because powerlifters train with controlled movements for meets. They lower a bench press bar slow touch their chest and power it up. They descend under control in a squat and then power it up. I pointed out in a post up above about boat rowers and lumberjack tree sawers who did predominantly positive movements and had no muscle mass to show for it while gymnasts do extended eccentric/negative movments and always have a discernable musculature. You do the math" - Doggcrapp
 
Control the freaking weights downward decent!

With heavy leg movements young, weak, starting out bodybuilders have no idea where you are going with this again. Your 225lb squat for 8 reps to failure means shit compared to where your going to end up in the long run. So you might be able to do 225lbs reach take 12-15 deep breathes and do 3-4 more and then rest/pause again and do 1-2 more. Do you think you are going to be able to that with 400-500lbs on your back with your knees wrapped tight with inzer wraps and doing everything in your power to stay in proper form so you don’t get injured? This is why there are 2 sets for legs, a brutal 4-8 and then the widow maker (aka the man maker) set of 20 reps

Before you do your set of squats or dead lifts or leg press or whatever the brutal exercise is--strap up or wrap up and get in position--then look down at the ground and grit your teeth whisper/mutter this to yourself and believe it--"Im the baddest motherfucker in this gym, Im a goddamn human forklift, and I own this shit" and use the anxiety and fear you have to get really really freaking angry--but a controlled inner anger--don’t be the "gym asshole" yelling for effect...if your right in front of a mirror (like you usually are in a power rack squatting or dead lifting) a split second before your ready to rock, quickly look for someone/group of people in the reflection that is near you that isn’t exactly your favorite people/person in the gym, and convince yourself that those guys/guy think your going to get buried by this.........and think in your head "Im going to show you who the Brahma bull in this gym is"............................................... ............please come back on this thread and let me know how easy that set got

My methods aren’t for the weekend quarterback and they sure aren’t fir beginning lifters, they never have been and never will be. This is for hardcore bodybuilders ONLY.

Bodybuilding as a whole is about extremes and you must go to extreme lengths to be an out of ordinary bodybuilder in this activity. The human body in no way whets to be 270 to 330 lbs of extreme muscularity.

A lot of people ask me on how I come to conclusions on things…a lot of all you can decide from what you see going on around you at gyms and from just watching people. You can sit there and study Medline all day long but until you have practical brain to think how it pertains to bodybuilding, you’re not going to get very far in applying it.

People want to get big so bad they think they have to do 20 sets per body part and 7 exercises per body part to leave no stone uncovered. And it’s a natural thought. Hard work should equal results right? Yea it does in a smart planned out way.

Getting bummed out sometimes because I have trained so hard over the last 16 years and been so meticulous about not missing meals and everything pertaining to the sport and yet I cannot change the genetic limits granted me.

This is not for anyone that hasn’t been lifting for at least 3 years. Can any 30 year old in this forum say to me that he is less hardcore and can drum up less intensity than he did when he was 18 years old? Because I can crank it out about 4 times as hard, and I know you guys can do.

Static’s, everyone freaks out about the static’s, am I doing them wrong? Am I doing them wrong? I REALLY COULD GIVE A SHIT IF YOU DO STATICS OR NOT, They, I repeat they are at least productive thing in all my, methods. They might mean 2% and that’s about it yet everyone on all these boards are freaking out about the static’s. IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE I WANT THIS TO GET THRU EVERONES HEAD, YOUR WEIGHT PROGRESSION (AND NOT THE STATICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WORRY AND OVERANALIZE) THAT YOU USE IN TRAINING IS THE ULTIMATE DETERMININD FACTOR IN ALL THIS
I believe he who makes the greatest strength gains( in a controlled fashion) as a bodybuilder, makes the greatest muscle gains.

How many power lifters do you know? Now out of all those power lifters how many are not thickly muscled and dense?

Beating the logbook is the priority here static’s is nothing more then a very slight extension of your set and should take on no more importance then that.

Ninety-nine percent of bodybuilders are brainwashed that they must go for a blood pump and are striving for that effect( go up and down on your calves 500 times and tell me if your calves got an bigger) And those same 99% in a gym stay the same year after year. It’s because they have no plan, they go in, get a pump and leave. They give there body no reason to change.

You should be driving your ass to be the absolutely strongest bodybuilders that your genetics can allow.

On the other hand I have gotten a lot guys who have been lifting 5-10 years and would never know they lifted even once unless they made it a point to tell you about it (and many do lol) and I’ll tell you what the overanalyze, keep second guessing themselves, follow this routine this month and that routine the next, and flex magazine the third month. It all depends on what they happen to read that week. How the hell do you know hat worked if you switch it every dam month?

I have seen a lot and I mean a lot of people in the gym and on these internet forums that are a buck 65 or two and change, shouting that you don’t have to lift heavy to get big

Grab a logbook, get an exercise rotation going, hammer an exercise into oblivion until you cannot get any stronger on it and then change up and go to a new exercise and do the same thing. Many people look at a machine like its candyass way to lift compared to free weights. I take a machine and manhandle it/destroy it. I training it until I beat the weight stack and then I chain a dumbbell to it and go as far up the dumbbell rack as I can go.


The absolute strongest you can make yourself in all exercises, coupled with food intake to eat your way up to the new musculature will allow you to hold the most muscle mass on your body that your genetics predetermine. You want to worry about something? Worry about the dam logbook. Worry about staying uninjured in your quest. Worry about not missing y meals. Worry about somehow someway making yourself the strongest bodybuilder you can become. Im not talking single here. Im talking 9-15 Rest/paused. A brute. A behemouth. A human forklift.

In simple terms you lift a weight and your muscle has one of 2 choices, either tear completely under the load( which is incredibly rare and what we don’t want) or the muscle lifts the weight and protects itself by remolding and getting bigger to protect itself against the load next time.

This kind of training that I do and have people do is absolutely brutal. I don’t understand how anyone can go to hell and back on leg training and then be able to go out and do sprints the next day.

Heavier weights are the only infinite thing you can do in your training.

You have to rember that skinny Billy who squats 135 benching 135 and dead lifting 135 is going to have somewhat of the same recovery as swolenow Billy 8 years down the road. Swolenow Billy needs a lot more time to recover from dead lifting 500lbs compared to when he was dead lifting 135.As you become more advanced in this sport and start hoisting and shoving around some big time poundage’s you have to keep that in the back of your mind

Ronnie comeman is an elite class of muscle building genetically yet do you see him doing isolation excercises with light weight to be the most massive bodybuilder on the planet? Nope!


If I could count the number of bodybuilders in this world that are stuck in that 200-220lbs area it would be astronomical. And thet want so badly to be 250, 260 270lbs monstrousousity but almost every single one of them will be gaining that 2lbs this year, 2lbs next year and so on for the next 5 years from now weigh 212lbs. In my eyes if you’re a bodybuilder trying to put on muscle mass, you just wasted 5 growing years that you’ll never get back.

No matter what methods someone uses to gain super strength gains its imperative that you do.

I get incredibly frustrated when someone comes to me and they eat in a day and they say they don’t have much of an appetite and they think the problem to there lack of gains for the last 4 years is something wrong with their training of there drug stack. Simply put you can’t take a 200lbs guy and make him 250lbs if he is eating like a 200lbs guy.

And so on for the next 5 years from now weigh 212lbs. In my eyes if you’re a bodybuilder trying to put on muscle mass, you just wasted 5 growing years that you’ll never get back.

No matter what methods someone uses to gain super strength gains its imperative that you do.

I get incredibly frustrated when someone comes to me and they eat in a day and they say they don’t have much of an appetite and they think the problem to there lack of gains for the last 4 years is something wrong with their training of there drug stack. Simply put you can’t take a 200lbs guy and make him 250lbs if he is eating like a 200lbs guy.

I don’t know why pseudo experts try to make training such an elite science when in actuality it’s pretty cut and dry. If you keep a training log and note weights used for the next 5 years and fined they are still the same you will pretty much look the same in 5 years. If you double all your poundage’s in the next 5 years in everything, you’re going to be one thick person

Do you want to be one of those guys 10 years from now that are still the normal guy in the gym? The same guys year after year that looks the same? Four years ago they were 192lbs and now they are 196lbs. personally I couldn’t live with that. I couldn’t do 156 workouts a year for one lbs of muscle that’s a waste of freaking time.

People get pissed if they think what they might be doing is wrong or not the most productive its human nature.

To accumulate enough muscle mass in the shortest time possible, what would be the fasted way? Most likely it is to get big, somewhat smooth and put the time in at the dinner table and the heavy weight. Whets the downside of that? You are no longer Joe club guy lean at 230lbs and getting the girls. You are now bloated, large, and heavy who makes your face change dramatically and suddenly those girls that thought god he is cute no longer look that way. It’s a huge descicin to make. And if someone is satisfies being a little bigger then the next guy at 200-230lbs and very lean more power to them. But if you think you are going to stay incredibly lean and make it up to 4.0lbs per inch of height level, unless you have unbelievable genetics, or are black its not going to happen to the average guy.
 
" People always talk about "changing up" and "keeping the body offbalance", "variety" and never doing the same workout twice. Huh? What is there 7000 different kind of Quad exercises that I dont know about? No theres about 4-5 that are condusive to building muscle mass. How many productive different chest exercises are there? Infinity? No theres about 8-10 or so (if that). So you are going to be repeating exercises often thruout the year anyway. So if April 1st you squat and do 315 x 10 and then 4 weeks later "after changing up to keep the body off balance--LOL" you do squats again and do 295 x 11 or 315 x 10 again have you gained anything? Fuck no! Three times later after doing different leg workouts and your still squatting 315lbs or so for around the same reps you havent progressed yourself anywhere! Grab a logbook, get an exercise rotation going, hammer an exercise into oblivion until you cannot get stronger on it and then change up and go to a new exercise and do the same thing. Many people look at a machine like its the candyass way to lift compared to free weights. I take a machine and manhandle it/destroy it. I train on it until i beat the weighstack and then I chain a dumbell to it and go as far up the dumbell rack as I can go. My gym managers probaly dont like it but I havent had anything said to me yet so until then.... Its just a mindset. People look at a pecdeck machine and think of an isolation machine. I look at a pecdeck and think "Im going to turn that into a compound movement and destroy that thing" -that means put your hands on the pads and push with your hands instead of your elbows and turn that thing into a power press/flye machine --and dominate that machine"
 
"Im talking about the most rapid accumalation of muscle mass possible while trying to keep bodyfat in check------------im going to give you some observations as Ive been around this sport for a long time and seen too many competitors and what they do--and you can do what you want with it 1)Ive seen black guys gain bigtime muscle eating the crappiest diets in the world and the most half ass workouts you would ever see due to their incredible genetics 2)I havent seen a black guy yet with incredible genetics who didnt have to eventually boatload the food to get above that 260lb mark and into the superhuge pro 300lbs plus range (vic richards, ronnie coleman etc(8000-10000 calories a day as per his interview in latest musclemag intl) 3)ive seen a million and one bodybuilders with good genetics get into the 210-230LB (stripper look) range with nutrient dense 2800 calorie diets and heavy drugs but then top out at that 210-230lb range (and not know why they cant get any bigger) 4)Ive seen people with incredible genetics build muscle on 200-250 grams of protein a day (nasser el sonbaty, flex wheeler, paul dillet and some other incredibly gifted pros --remember i said gifted PROS) 5)The people out there who have incredible genetics are so very few and far between its pathetic 6)Ive seen millions of people training for years eating squeaky clean nutrient dense low volume food diets with average genetics who never get bigger--ever 7)ive seen superheavy powerlifters who gain alot of bodyfat with muscle in the offseason, diet down and CRUSH everyone in their area in bodybuilding shows Ive never seen a white elite bodybuilder with slightly above mediocre genetics get superhuge without boatloading protein in the 500 and upward gram range (jimmy mentis, I also put Greg Kovacs in here as he isnt even close to colemans or wheelers genetics, kamali, palumbo, mike francois etc) 9)Ive seen too many bodybuilders who are stuck at the same size and think the problem is their drugs, their training, everything else except their diet. 10) Nine out of ten times when i help someone who is stuck as a bodybuilder--getting their protein grams up to 500 from the 280 or so they were eating sends them into muscle accumalation overdrive. 11) Very rarely have I seen a person who could stay incredibly shredded in the offseason and gain bigtime muscle at the same time (and again the only ones Ive seen do it are black guys) 12)ive seen alot of natural guys who eat incredibly clean all year long put on 1-2LBS of muscle a year (great in 5 years they will be 5-10lbs heavier) 13)Thinking off the top of my head I cannot think of a over 250lb bodybuilder onstage who eats less than 400 grams of protein except nasser el sonbaty (who by the way hasnt gotten any larger for about 5 years) and Dillett 14)How many millions of bodybuilders with average genetics are using the same drugs, training the same way as each other and eating 200 grams of protein a day--alot!!! How many of those guys have 4lbs of muscle per inch of height? 15) Some years ago a study was done on sumo wrestlers, elite bodybuilders, and a untrained group of people trying to determine the upper limit of lean body mass in a human being. The sumo's while having the greatest bodyfat percentage also had the greatest lean body mass above the elite bodybuilders and way above the untrained. Why? Sumo's for the most part dont weight train but eat excess amounts of rice and fish...shouldnt they have less LBM than the elite bodybuilders? How are they developing that kind of muscle mass if they are not weight training to get it? Obviously some kind of adaption is taking place with the excess food intake allowing for great amounts of muscle mass. What would happen if they took the precautions to keep their bodyfat in check with cardio day and night? I personally am an overkill guy---I would much rather maybe take in too much protein and excrete the excess than worry about taking in inadequate amounts of protein and losing out on muscle mass I would of gained and wasting these workouts (that Im killing myself with)---I'd rather use cardio and low/trace carbs after 6pm to keep my bodyfat levels in check than be safe and take in 2500 calories and worry about half filled glycogen stores or worse yet catabolism of muscle. My mindset is to turn someone into a machine--heavy weights, high protein, filled glycogen stores, use the treadmill to solve the excess--it sure as hell isnt easy but its the fastest way Ive found to get someone from point A to point B. And woody if you think a 6 foot 170lb man with average genetics can turn himself into a 6 foot 300lb superheavyweight bodybuilder on 2500 calories a day, and 200 grams of protein a day your sadly misinformed. You can look at world class powerlifters in the lower (under 200lb)classes. They are lifting shit heavy, many are using boatloads of drugs, why the hell arent they getting dramatically bigger if thats all thats needed? Food thats why. Now you put a superheavy 360lb powerlifter on the treadmill 6 times a week for 45-60 minutes a day and low trace carbs after 6pm and Ill show you a massive bodybuilder in about 3 months. "
 
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" Thirdly, everybody wants to cookie cutter this stuff and its frustrating the hell out of me and Inhuman and others. Some things are basic and can be used by everyone. But there is alot of stuff that has to be individually decided according to you dietwise and also to you injurywise, strengthwise, timewise, etc etc etc. I see people asking questions sometimes outside of the basic training regimen (which is pretty universal but definitely not in all cases recovery wise) and others giving cookie cutter answers like "one size fits all" even if its dietwise. If Inhuman or myself arent training you (this is to newer guys) you got to use some deductive reasoning in all of this please. On cycles for pennies there was a guy who asked me what I ate and I posted what I ate the day before exactly. I didnt think much about it. Sometimes I post things and dont think of the consequences of them (like the goddamn 6 second negative phase which I didnt think everyone would be so anal about and has been a monkey on my back ever since) ...at that time I wrote about what I ate the day before...... I was 290 or so lbs but was working an incredibly hard labourous job and was finding it really difficult to gain weight. That single day if I remember right came out to 7800 calories and 564 grams of protein--THAT WAS FOR ME AND ME ONLY!!! And even with eating that much my weight gain that year sucked pretty much, thats how hard that job was. What do i see? That exact days eating has been passed around and around and around for the last 3-4 years in a Doggcrapp training pdf as "DC's diet recommendation" and people are following that. If I ate that diet now I would be a blimp because IM much more sedentary and do alot of office and desk work. I still eat 450-650 grams of protein but my calories are much much lower. There are things I have certain trainees doing in their workouts that I wouldnt have anyone else do. Injuries to work around. Hell Ih knows this firsthand as he has to really watch his back. There are alot of decisions to make outside of the basic structure of this all including timing of cardio and carb cuttoffs due to how/when a person works. But the biggest thing of all is fixing problems. I have to continually fix problems every time a trainee of mine comes to a plateau and i have to look at everything as a whole and plug the leak. Its been very very rare that I have had a trainee who didnt plateau out at some point and I had to fix it somehow. Thats so important and needs to be done or someone will be training and spinning his wheels in place indefinitely. And noone including myself wants to train for 6 months busting his hump getting nowhere. My main point here is I'm seeing people want this all set in stone and it cant be done like that. If Fred is 300lbs, with a bad back, and has 200lbs of lean muscle, and works 14 hours a day, and is lactose intolerant, with high blood pressure, I sure as hell am not going to have him doing the exact same things as Rick, who is 230lbs, with 200lbs of lean muscle, with a really bad shoulder, incredibly bad recovery ability, works 6 hours a day, 6 days a week, and has shin splints limiting his treadmill walking. Do I want everyone starting out to be doing the M W F split--yes because thats proven to work best for the majority but when we get into diet and other things, thats a whole new ballgame here and it cannot be done with a cookie cutter"
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"I dont know about Inhuman but I very much like someone to be at a low bodyfat or at a bodyfat percentage they are very happy with before starting.... Nothing sucks more than haveing some guy tell me his goal is to be "HUGE" and then later on (because he didnt let me know he was fat and unhappy to begin with) he gains a whole bunch of muscle with no gain in bodyfat with me.....but for some idiotic reason he thought becoming "huge" was going to solve all problems (his being small and being fat)....so at that point I have to redo everything to get him down to where he is happy bodyfat wise---I like going fast forward...and I would think IH would agree---come to us a smaller but lean happy version of yourself and youll end up ecstatic"
 
"Originally Posted by A.P.
One of Dante's quotes that I came across earlier that made me piss myself, though I don't have the slightest clue what it means:

"You can tie your balls to a spaceship it doesnt mean your going to Uranus!!!"
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I dont know what that exactly means either but when I say that one in real life I always say it matter of factly and walk off leaving the person puzzled and trying to figure out if I just said something profound or im the village idiot
 
Brooklyn Juice (and there is no doubt in my mind about this) is the main person who brought green tea to the forefront of the bodybuilding scene to where its a staple nowadays---he was a lone voice in the storm stating its benefits years ago and now its widely accepted and used---
 
"If you put someone out on a deserted island with 135lbs of weights he can superset, giant set, high rep, superslow etc etc squats, deadlifts and benches to his hearts delight...the sad story is his gains will quickly come to a halt because his limiting factor is amount of strength he will gain. He has 135lbs to work with. You take that same guy on a deserted island and give him squats deadlifts, and benches and an unlimited weight supply that he constantly pushes-- In 5 years i'll show you a big Gilligan. I think the biggest fallacy in bodybuilding is "changing up" "keeping the body off balance"--you can keep the body off balance by always using techniques or methods that give your body a reason to get bigger=strength. If you dont write down your weights and every time you come into the gym you go by feel and do a different workout (like 98% of the gym members who never change do now) what has that done? Lets say Mr gym member does 235 for 9 on the bench press this week, "tries to keep his body guessing" by doing 80lbs for 13 on flyes next week, 205 for 11 on inclines the week after, 245 on hammer press for 12 the week after that --and so on---there is only a limited number of exercises you can do. Two months later when he does bench presses again and does 235 for 8 or 9 has he gained anything--absolutely not. Four months later he does hammer presses for 245 for 11 (again) do you think he has given his body any reason to change? Take 2 twins and have one do a max squat for 20 reps and the other twin giant set 4 leg exercises with the same weight. All year long have the first twin blast away until he brings his squat for 20 reps from 150 to 400lbs. Have the second twin giant set four exercises every workout with the same weight he used in his first workout all year long. Believe me he is going to be sore and he will be shocking the body every time but he will not gain shit after about the third leg workout. Because the load didnt change. There is no reason for his legs to grow in size due to the strength demand presented. The first twin who can now squat 400 for 20 is going to have some wheels. I use rest pause because in my opinion it is the utmost method to rapidly gain strength. Others might like a different method--thats up to them, doesnt matter as long as they are rapidly gaining strength. I try to bring someone through the shortest but intense workout they can to produce rapid strength increases--use glutamine, extreme stretching and 3 days for recovery, and then try to make them grow again. If your gaining appreciable strength on an exercise with a certain method I think the ABSOLUTELY WORSE THING YOU CAN DO is to change up right then. Take that exercise and method to its strength limit and then when you get there then change to a different exercise (and maybe method) and get strong as f#cking hell on that one too. "
 
Hopefully dante didn't say this lol...

"Like my uncle Bartholemew said to me before he died "hey you can get stinking drunk and bang a cow but it sure dont mean your getting free milk for life"
 
from Dante:

I dont give a crap what multi set, pseudo scientific, psycho training routine you have put your belief in at that point-YOUR GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME SIZE because youve been using the exact same weights for 5 years! Make yourself (with whatever routine you decide to use and with an advanced gaining diet) the absolute strongest motherfucker for reps your genetics will allow and your going to be the absolute biggest bodybuilder your genetics will allow. The day you rock bottom squat 500lbs for 20 reps, is the last day in hell that your legs will be small and that goes for any other bodypart.
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I really love this one....

So the basic two parts of the equation for me is not to "bomb myself into oblivion with massive amounts of sets so i wont be able to recover for a week" but instead its "train shit heavy with proper form with a technique I feel increases strength better than anything else (rest pausing for 11-15rp) while training that bodypart the most times a week in which my joints and everything else can recover. A newbie who doesnt have much intensity and fortitude could probaly do bodyparts 3x a week for a lil while and grow incredibly fast but I dont know any advanced lifters (1 year plus) who could ever do legs heavy and hardcore 3x a week...it would wreck you especially with the 300 to 600lb poundages being used by the top guys in this forum.
I mean everyone in this forum can pretty much prove that they grow from doing one work set rest paused while everyone else out there is doing 10-15sets per bodypart and then cant train that bodypart again for 7 days because they are so beat down. Well how hard is it to decipher that if im training a bodypart 2x a week and your training a bodypart 1x a week that im gaining muscle mass twice as fast as you most likely? We already have seen people grow on 10-30 sets and people grow on one all out set rest paused so is this that hard of a decision honestly?
 
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