Some of my favorite quotes of doggcrapp link...

[newtoketo]

wow I have trouble reading my stuff sometimes----what a blowhard!! Someone tell that DC guy to shut the heck up.

 

[newtoketo]

" Just remember when you think your tired, that most everyone around you is doing 2 (sometimes 3) bodyparts a day and 8 -14 sets for each bodypart for a total of 16-28 sets during a workout and all im asking from you is 5 worksets.....what you have discovered is how truly hard you lift when your back is against the wall and the logbook has to be beaten. Think back of the time when you did
chest
incline
decline
flat
flyes
(at least 3 worksets for each of those 4 exercises) and then you went to
shoulders and did
presses
shrugs
laterals
(at least 3 work sets)
and then maybe stopped there or some people did triceps. I dont think Im asking for much--5 worksets but yes Im asking for and demanding an effort worthy of extremely rapid muscle accumalation which as stated above, you quickly realize how much of a pussy you lifted like when you were doing 8-12 sets per bodypart when you come over to this side of things and 5 work sets destroy you. Its the effort, not the volume. "

 

[newtoketo]

" you keep using pros for examples of people training light who have awesome physiques....thats a very biased way of looking at it. You tell me........all the guys who train light and barely eat in your gym today.....how big are they? All the guys around the USA who train with light weights and eat like a bird....how monstrous are those guys? But if you go to every gym in America and find the top 10 heaviest trainers in those gyms (for whatever reps lets say 8-15 reps)....I bet any money those progressively training guys are going to be much much much larger than the "hey i benched a buck 85 today like i did last year and I ate a grilled cheese sandwhich all day long" guys. "

 

[newtoketo]

" God I see people worried about calories on this thead and that should be the last thing people think about-count protein grams, use the carb cuttoffs and use olive oils and other good fats to get you over any humps in the road -I started to write out a huge post here but sentences turned into paragraphs and it just kept getting longer and longer--so i just deleted it. I cant just do a short post on diet, it doesnt work -I have to explain how it all falls together---basically every meal is protein fats or protein carbs (except after carb cuttoff time). In a pro carb meal you always eat protein first in a meal followed by fiber (salads) and/or veggies and lastly carbs. There is no "bulker" or "cutter" per se. This is all about gaining as much muscle mass as possible at the quickest rate possible while staying at the same bodyfat or in alot of cases getting leaner. Again count protein grams! Why? Lets say you count calories...you are trying to reach 6000 and it works during the week when you have a busy job and are running around--but this weekend after training legs friday nite, you find yourself kind of tired and you laze around on the couch all weekend watching ncaa basketball games. You expenditure is much less but you forcefeed yourself to eat 6000 calories again somehow saturday and sunday. A carb cuttoff is not going to save you in that situation and over time youll end up a fat tub of adipose tissue doing it that way. Trust in your hunger! If your 240lbs I want you eating 500 grams of protein every day--thats a given. But on days your extremely hungry because of strenuous activities and you need it I want you boatloading food well past normal parameters. And on days your not expending alot of energy and arent hungry I want you going by hunger on those days too but I still want 500 grams of protein down the hatch! Stay off the scale, I dont care how giddy you get--stay off that thing for 4 weeks at a time and only weigh yourself at the same time of day you did previously. That will allow you to gauge exactly what is happening. If your lbs heavier, great keep going. If you weigh the exact same keep going and just add 1-3 tablespoons of olive oil to any before 5pm shakes that are a pro fat meal. That small change will take you over this hump, trust me. If I go out to eat at noon--Ill eat a steak first (or salad or soup first if i get that with meal then the steak), then veggies and then rice or potatoes are last. Most of the time Ill eat all the carbs because im hungry. Sometimes Ill eat half the rice or potato because Im not hungry--Let hunger determine that for you and eat in that order (protein fiber veggies carbs). If I go out to eat at 7pm at nite past my carb cuttoff time im eating a salad , steak and double veggies and no starchy carbs. Do not miss meals, adhere to carb cuttoffs, use olive oil to get you over the hump and youll get to where you want to be.
Also basically the same diet that built that muscle mass will keep that muscle mass when dieting down--I just tweak it a lil and drop out carbs at key spots. Ok im stopping there or this is going to go on and on again. "

 

[newtoketo]

If it was me...and I already know the young guys wont listen to this in the least...but if it was me and I wanted to be the best, safest, healthiest bodybuilder I could on the same level playing field as others (enhanced obviously)...Id go the testosterone and gh route with aromasin at 6-8 mg a day (and only move it up according to if bloodwork says its neccesary) and I would make the contest in the offseason be "how good can i be if im meticulous with training diet and supplementation (creatine etc) within these parameters of a health profile that I must keep myself at in the offseason"...and I would get bloodwork at 3-4 month intervals and make the proper decisions on what you need to get the hell off of and what to switch out enhancement wise...and what supplements you need to add immediately according to bloodwork....and then when prep starts...you do what you deem neccessary (also within your own individual health parameters)
......but this mindset of "well I hope nothing bad happens" and "I dont want to know" and "well i dont feel bad so i must be ok" thought process bodybuilders have is really idiotic when a simple tweaking of the process to continue your journey/goals can save you alot of heartache later....get bloodwork.

 

[newtoketo]

People need to differientate between the sport of bodybuilding and their own personal happiness. It seems some people haven't figured that part out.
a) The sport of bodybuilding is inhumanly large musculatures at low bodyfat onstage.....to do that you have to do some certain things to get there. Why do a large amount of bodybuilders at the amateur level never get their pro card? Because they arent big enough and never get big enough. Who are the top placing guys at the pro level? They are either tremendously big and ripped or tremendously big with god given shape and ripped. Seen any shape bodybuilders who needed more size win any shows of late? With that getting inhumanly large comes a side effect of a bigger midsection usually.....it is what it is....according to succeeding in the sport. As far as someone like Jay Cutler.....you 40 year old guys in this forum a question for you.....any of you have the waist you did when you were 22 years old? LOL....
Does anyone in here think that I could take a Shawn Ray or a Flex Wheeler or a Cedric Mcmillan (who Im currently helping to get bigger) and somehow turn them into a Greg Kovacs waistline? IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. Does anyone in here think I could take Kovacs or Yates or Tim Belknap and train them like Flex Shawn or Cedric and they would turn out to have a wasp waist? IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. The same guys that pulled out all the stops and everyone is complaining about that they ended up with bigger waists....those guys ended up being MR Olympia/runner ups or high placings! Its the sport of bodyBUILDING....you cannot have the upper body and leg size of Jay Cutler with Mike Sorrentino from the Jersey Shores waist.
b) if you want to look like a guy who is a lean beach guy with a model body at about 190 to 215 pounds at 5'10" ......for petes sake dont follow what 5'10" 275 pound bodybuilders do......there is a big difference in how to build a Marky Mark Wahlburg and building Markus Ruhl.
c) Do what will make you happy as a bodybuilder (a small or big one) but if you think you are going to be 275 pounds at 5'10" with the exact same wasp waist you had at 200 pounds eating 2200 calories a day....good luck with that pipedream.... thats 75 pounds of tissue you need to put on....how much food would you need to eat to put on 75 pounds of just fat? A boatload. Now how much food would you need to eat to put on 75 pounds of muscle which is so much harder to accomplish?
d) Decide again what will make you happy as a person.....Jay Cutler doesnt have the genetics to beat some of the wasp waisted guys gunning for his title but he beats them by being a foot wider across the shoulders and overpowering them with too much muscle mass......
e) Anyone seen a guy with 20 inch arms with forearms as small as they were on his first day of lifting? Then why do you expect your waist to not get larger when you put a 50-75 pound backpack on every day (50-75 pounds more of muscle mass above your waist since you started lifting)

 

[newtoketo]

I would love to show some pics and vids here of whats been going on along with some info but it would create a shitfest of epic proportions (allready happened on another site so i pulled the thread)....will definitely not make that mistake again especially after how this thread went.
1) Came to me at 265 (he had drained the gas tank and put the car in storage for awhile)...needed to get up to the size to compete with the other big boys he felt like Greene etc......looked awesome but smaller than any of you guys have seen him...wish i could say more on that...has awesome genetics and genetic response to everything etc
2) Wrote up all training....his prep guy as stated before is someone who likes to go the speed limit on the highway at 55 miles an hour with a very simple plan a 300-400 horsepower engine (dont care if you believe it or not)...along with a 3 speed transmission (dont care if you believe it or not) and then the gas pedal is hit hard with nitrous oxide when racetime is approaching. His prep guy has amazing results and spectacular results with his gameplan....there is no arguing his results as his reputation is beyond reproach.
3) Cedric's genetic response to training eating supplements etc while being a car with a governor on it is freaking amazing...we went back to heavy compound movements rest paused instead of the foo foo stuff he was doing and he grew to a tick under 300 pounds.
4) I had trained Cedric before when he needed to put on size and this is what resulted Cedric McMillan at Victory in the Valley - YouTube and then someone close to him got in his ear and he went over to a new way of training and then got a little stringy in his shows and started looking lanky up there. It is what it is.
After not being happy with the results of that he came back to me and after getting up to 300....again someone got in his ear thats close to him and said "you need to do all this volume" and Cedric asked me if he should/could do that.....and my response was "Well Cedric you just went from 265 to 300...in my opinion it aint broke so there is no reason to fix it"....that was my last contact with him so i dont know what happened after that. This isnt the mafia where you are in it for life and Cedric can train anyway he wants to train....I do like higher volume as prep starts and higher rep ranges (but still training to maintain muscle mass)...but i dont know what Cedric is doing right now as I think the last I heard from him was 2-3 weeks ago.

 

[newtoketo]

Doggcrapp:: Andoni do you think your waist would be the exact same if you lost 50lbs? Do you think it will be the exact same if you gained 50lbs? No its going to change and your going to have to make the decision of what you want to be as a bodybuilder. As I said on CFP many peoples guts stick out as they get dramatically larger-- Your midriff is the axis of the body and as you see any man over 250lbs who is a bodybuilder/powerlifter usually has distended abs. Jay Cutler is the only pro near 300lbs offseason that I can think of whose gut doesnt stick out so if you got Jays genetics I say go for it.
As far as distended abs some of that could be contributed to force feeding, high androgens, insulin and doing movements (squatting, deads) that force the abdomen out but since the 250 and above guys almost all have it and the 250 and below guys rarely have it--I believe it comes alot from having to support that kind of muscle mass up top all day long--something has to give slightly when lack of posture and tiredness take over. And I believe the same reasons effect the lower back also-- I find when my olive oil intake is high my lower back blows up like no tommorrow during squats, and heavy back movements. Ive never had a structural problem with my back ever but Ive had to have my gf drive my car home many a time after legs and back because my back was so insanely blown up and painful. By the time i get home its gone ever single time. If I walk around for the entire day my lower back starts aching and blowing up also especially when Im at my largest. This is a consequence of getting much larger and Andoni you have to make the decision of whether you want to be a 4.0lbs per inch of height bodybuilder or someone with a smaller physique than he can truly accomplish. I cant comprehend how someone can think that their waist measuring 32 inches around at 210lbs will still be 32 inches around at 260lbs when all other bodyparts have gotten dramatically larger. As far as gaining weight with the guys Ive trained--they sure arent getting fatter--they are staying at the same bodyfat or leaner while getting larger----thats the reasoning behind the carb cutoffs and certain other things i do with cardio and diet. If a problem arises and someone feels they are gaining bodyfat at an unacceptable rate--Ill tweak things so they dont but I have to reinforce repeatedly (some of these guys on this thread have heard this) that their stomach will be sticking out all day long from the food intake AND I WANT IT TO BE. Because if it isnt we arent eating our way up to the next level. Nothing is sadder to me then some guy 205lbs who lifts for 5-6 years and is weighing 208lbs now. You just did all those workouts and all that time for 3 measly lbs? If anyone I personally train is gaining bodyfat 90% of the time they are skipping the 20-30 min cardio sessions i have them do 2-3 times a week or cheating after carb cuttoffs more than they are telling me.

 

[newtoketo]

Meso members if any of you are interested in DC's training when you get some time head over to the doggpound and ask questions if you'd like. Like this site there's plenty of good reading over there too!

http://intensemuscle.com/forumdisplay.php?f=45

IS GOING TO MAKE BOB A MONSTROUS MUSCULAR INDIVIDUAL. So you can make the decision as a bodybuilder. Are you going to fuck around for he next 5-10 years using the same weights in training and doing obsessive compulsive routines, techniques and overthoughtup principles written by by 45 year old men writing in muscle magazines who never got themselves over the 210lb bodyweight range? Or are you going to set out on a path to make yourself into something special!!! That direct path means taking the genetics handed to you, overcoming limitations that have been set by teaching your body to become a food processing, incredible strength gaining, adaption (into incredible size) machine. Extreme eating(up to new size)+Extreme Strength gains(rest pauses)+frequency of training (2x every 8 days)+ etc etc etc etc--do you guys see what im trying to accomplish with you in the shortest time possible?

 

[newtoketo]

HOW TO CURE SHOULDER PROBLEMS (Trust me this will do it 90% of the time)
With a large towel or broomstick I want you to hold it with straight arms for the entire time of what i describe in the following movement--a large "rolled up like a rope" beach towel works good but honestly a longer broomstick (without the bristles) works best in my opinion. Start out with it with a really wide grip (with straight arms) in front of you (on your quads) and with straight arms bring it up and overhead and then down and back to the middle of your back--STRAIGHT ARMS ALL THE WAY--this is going to be very difficult and hard the first couple times out and then will be "old hat" with time----and its going to be painful in a stretching pump kind of way---i want 50 reps each time you do this--one repetition is from in front of your face (all with straight arms) to up overhead and back, and then down all the way to the middle of your back and then back up overhead to in front of your face again (again all with straight arms)--the important part of the movement is the area overhead that is really tight--do all of this carefully/slowly---dont just whip it over and back---if your hand is slipping off the broomstick even with the widest grip, or you cant bring your arms over straight and the start bending on you, you have some serious shoulder inflexibility and need to work this hard and get up to speed (or you could just need a longer broomstick too)--again do all of these revolutions controlled and carefully--push into the stretch as you go along toward the 50 revolutions, your chest will be pushing outward and your shoulders rolling back--your shoulders are going to blow up with so much blood its going to be incredibly painfull pumpwise--Do this once a day at nite as many times a week as you can---sometimes I have people do it every single day---but every time you do it try to move your grip inward (thats the key)----its going to be very hard to do but try your best to move your grip inward for the next 2-4 weeks and your range of motion with shoulders will increase dramatically and any impingement and the majority of other problems should be gone in 2 weeks--also try to move your grip in as you are doing the 50 revolutions--start off with a stretching but relatively easy 10 to warm up some, then try to move your grip in even by a centimeter if you can for the next 20 revolutions and then at 30 try to move the grip in another centimeter--really try to push what you can do stretchwise once your warmed up here--trust me this sounds easy but your going to be muttering "fuck you dante" after you get to your 25th revolution--Ive cured too many shoulder problems with this simple movement now its pretty ridiculous, and this and a menthol rub applied liberally daily and before sleep has cured alot of shoulder/bicepital tendonitis in trainees ---Heres a pic attached to this post so you can get an idea (thanks to a trainee of mine who cured his shoulders with this)--but remember the broomstick goes overhead and all the way back to the middle of the back (he just drew the start of the movement when you begin)

 

[newtoketo]

here's a quote i'm about to add to that thread I mentioned...

" As I hit on before-the diet part is so hard to design in a blanket statement for everyone. I have 3 trainees I can only let them have postworkout carbs or they blow up (trust me Ive tried it with them) and then I have some guys eating alot of everything after they get in their 60 grams of protein per meal(at least). Ask the guys on this thread. The first 3 weeks of my diets are awful. Theres a huge shift in how the body metabolizes food and they go from feeling bloated and stuffed to muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. There is a reason these guys can eat so much and not gain bodyfat and thats because they have turned themselves into a food processing machine. Every 2.5 hours on the dot they are hungry as hell and they sweat all day long....It takes roughly 24 or so calories burned to process every 100 calories of protein thru digestion while it takes roughly 1/6th that to process 100 calories of carbs....add a large amount of green tea and carb cuttoffs and you can see where this is all leading. A forcing of the human body to adapt to something it doesnt want to do--build muscle mass at a high rate and burn bodyfat while doing it"

 

[newtoketo]

From Dante....

As I hit on before--the diet part is so hard to design in a blanket statement for everyone. I have 3 trainees I can only let them have postworkout carbs or they blow up (trust me Ive tried it with them) and then I have some guys eating alot of everything after they get in their 60 grams of protein per meal(at least). Ask the guys on this thread. The first 3 weeks of my diets are awful. Theres a huge shift in how the body metabolizes food and they go from feeling bloated and stuffed to muscle building fat burning blast furnaces. There is a reason these guys can eat so much and not gain bodyfat and thats because they have turned themselves into a food processing machine. Every 2.5 hours on the dot they are hungry as hell and they sweat all day long....It takes roughly 24 or so calories burned to process every 100 calories of protein thru digestion while it takes roughly 1/6th that to process 100 calories of carbs....add a large amount of green tea and carb cuttoffs and you can see where this is all leading. A forcing of the human body to adapt to something it doesnt want to do--build muscle mass at a high rate and burn bodyfat while doing it

 

[Oregonstrong]

Just checked out the board. Ton of good info! Thanks brother.

Are you currently using DC training?

 

[newtoketo]

Just checked out the board. Ton of good info! Thanks brother.

Are you currently using DC training?

Yes always. Once I started i pretty much couldn't stay away cuz it works so good for me lol!