[SOURCE] Olympia Labs

[Olympia Labs]

I understand all of that but I’m talking about the different consistency of aas to baking soda (weights may have been the wrong word to use)

When using a stone or brass polisher heavier compounds will tend to mix in the middle therefore throwing your MG/cap off on each cap

But u do bring up a good fucking question though. How do you measure your mg/cap before ever adding the filler to determine final cap weight? It is basically the same as making tabs so just curious how u do it

It depends how your polisher works. Does it shake or rotate or both? If it’s shaking and rotating, the compound should evenly distribute with the filler. I can see if it only rotated, it could theoretically not mix evenly.

And I use a milligram scale that measures down to 4 decimal points to measure out a single capsule of the compound. This includes measuring the weight of the filler as well as the compound to fill that capsule. This gives me the amounts in weights needed for a single capsule. With math, I can now calculate the amounts needed for 100 caps, so on.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

It depends how your polisher works. Does it shake or rotate or both? If it’s shaking and rotating, the compound should evenly distribute with the filler. I can see if it only rotated, it could theoretically not mix evenly.

And I use a milligram scale that measures down to 4 decimal points to measure out a single capsule of the compound. This includes measuring the weight of the filler as well as the compound to fill that capsule. This gives me the amounts in weights needed for a single capsule. With math, I can now calculate the amounts needed for 100 caps, so on.

Shaking and rotating will not distribute different consistency powders evenly. If it does both, it will distribute better but not consistent.

I think people know where I’m going with this.

Do you do the capping?

How did you come to the conclusion of how much filler to active ingredient to use per cap? I know it’s a math formula but how did you get to it? And do u use the same formula for each compound.

 

[Olympia Labs]

Shaking and rotating will not distribute different consistency powders evenly. If it does both, it will distribute better but not consistent.

I think people know where I’m going with this.

Do you do the capping?

How did you come to the conclusion of how much filler to active ingredient to use per cap? I know it’s a math formula but how did you get to it? And do u use the same formula for each compound.

Maybe I wasn’t as clear in my last post, but I create one cap of the compound (with the filler) with the manual capper. I manually weigh out the compound for the cap though using my exact scale. Now you have the weight of the cap + the compound. The last thing left to do is add the filler. You put the filler to the top of the cap. The weight of the amount of filler you used to this will be the amount of filler per cap. Say you’re making 100 caps, you multiply this number by 100. Now you have the amount of filler needed for 100 caps. Say you’re putting 20mg of compound per cap, you’d do 20mg * 100. That’s the amount of compound needed. You now have the weight of the filler needed as well as the weight of the compound needed. Mix and cap.

You do this process for every different compound you’re capping because the weight to volume ratio is different per compound.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

Maybe I wasn’t as clear in my last post, but I create one cap of the compound (with the filler) with the manual capper. I manually weigh out the compound for the cap though using my exact scale. Now you have the weight of the cap + the compound. The last thing left to do is add the filler. You put the filler to the top of the cap. The weight of the amount of filler you used to this will be the amount of filler per cap. Say you’re making 100 caps, you multiply this number by 100. Now you have the amount of filler needed for 100 caps. Say you’re putting 20mg of compound per cap, you’d do 20mg * 100. That’s the amount of compound needed. You now have the weight of the filler needed as well as the weight of the compound needed. Mix and cap.

You do this process for every different compound you’re capping because the weight to volume ratio is different per compound.

If that is the exact way you measure your caps. I would never recommend anybody buy caps from you with confidence.

That’s a good way to do it for personal consumption but when selling in meso I would expect you to do it the correct way for a more consistent dosing.

This is why I needed the exact way you measure cause you missed like 5 steps to have an accurately dosed cap.

 

[Olympia Labs]

If that is the exact way you measure your caps. I would never recommend anybody buy caps from you with confidence.

That’s a good way to do it for personal consumption but when selling in meso I would expect you to do it the correct way for a more consistent dosing.

This is why I needed the exact way you measure cause you missed like 5 steps to have an accurately dosed cap.

What steps were missed? Are you including assumed things like placing the capsules in the capsule maker, putting the mixed powder on the machine platform, etc.? Any basic guide will outline the steps I follow:

How a Manual Capsule Filler Works (A Step-by-step Guide) - SaintyTec

I’m genuinely just curious what steps you think I’m missing.

 

[oceanus99]

If that is the exact way you measure your caps. I would never recommend anybody buy caps from you with confidence.

That’s a good way to do it for personal consumption but when selling in meso I would expect you to do it the correct way for a more consistent dosing.

This is why I needed the exact way you measure cause you missed like 5 steps to have an accurately dosed cap.

Wouldn’t OP’s steps be more accurate than the conventional “use a chart to see how much weight this capsule size holds”? If I’m getting it right, OP is measuring out the mass of the filler and compound per cap then multiplying to create 100 caps?

 

[Mighty-mouse]

Wouldn’t OP’s steps be more accurate than the conventional “use a chart to see how much weight this capsule size holds”? If I’m getting it right, OP is measuring me out the mass of the filler and compound per cap then multiplying to create 100 caps?

No, because even though the cap says say 300mg the weights of filler and compound could be different.

He is doing it the correct way for an alright dosing and is faster than the way I would do it.

But if he is selling his product to us he needs to do it the correct way and not the fast way when measuring to make sure they are correct

 

[Olympia Labs]

No, because even though the cap says say 300mg the weights of filler and compound could be different.

He is doing it the correct way for an alright dosing and is faster than the way I would do it.

But if he is selling his product to us he needs to do it the correct way and not the fast way when measuring to make sure they are correct

You are not understanding my methodology properly. Everything is being weighed including filler and compound. Separately. Each component going into the capsule is being weighed and tracked and multiplied separately. At no point do I weigh the components together. The components don’t even get mixed until after everything has been weighed.

 

[oceanus99]

You are not understanding my methodology properly. Everything is being weighed including filler and compound. Separately. Each component going into the capsule is being weighed and tracked and multiplied separately. At no point do I weigh the components together. The components don’t even get mixed until after everything has been weighed.

I think you and mr mouse are on different pages op! I get what you’re doing I’m pretty sure. It leaves no room for estimation or error imo.

 

[oceanus99]

No, because even though the cap says say 300mg the weights of filler and compound could be different.

He is doing it the correct way for an alright dosing and is faster than the way I would do it.

But if he is selling his product to us he needs to do it the correct way and not the fast way when measuring to make sure they are correct

Yea they would be different! That’s why ingredients are weighed in separate by the OP. Even for his single cap I think he’s weighing each ingredient separately before putting it in cap! Correct me if I’m wrong @Olympia Labs

 

[Olympia Labs]

Yea they would be different! That’s why ingredients are weighed in separate by the OP. Even for his single cap I think he’s weighing each ingredient separately before putting it in cap! Correct me if I’m wrong @Olympia Labs

Yes. That’s right. I wouldn’t make a foolish mistake of dumping in compound and filler together for some total weight into the cap. That makes no sense.

Logically, I see of no way this procedure can screw up the dosages in the cap. It is plain math.
@Mighty-mouse I believe we’re misunderstanding each other based on your last reply. I can make a step by step guide of me mixing the caps with pics if that will help.
You made a point of the polisher possibly not mixing properly by shaking+spinning. Not sure how accurate that claim is but I’m looking into that now. I can find alternatives.

 

[Mighty-mouse]

What steps were missed? Are you including assumed things like placing the capsules in the capsule maker, putting the mixed powder on the machine platform, etc.? Any basic guide will outline the steps I follow:

How a Manual Capsule Filler Works (A Step-by-step Guide) - SaintyTec

I’m genuinely just curious what steps you think I’m missing.

Okay I will explain a better way and more accurate way of dosing caps. But after I do so I need you to donate to Anabolic Labs!

Sucks you got a 100 cap press but if you are going to use that to measure you will need to do the following when measuring

Load all 100 caps and use your tamping tool if you do when pressing

Now the fun part

Empty all baking soda and measure it (say it’s 41,500mg)

Divide that by the 100 = 415mg of BS per cap

Now you have to fill all caps with active ingredient only and use the tamping tool as well

Empty and weigh again (say it’s 22,500mg)- this is why no one does this.

Divide that by 100 = 225mg of active per cap (this will be different for every compound)

Now you figure out the ratio of active to baking soda

25mg active = unknown mg of BS

225mg of active = 415mg of BS

So the formula is
(25mg active * 415mg BS) / 225mg active = 46.11 of baking soda (this is the unknown stated above and how much needs to be removed per pill to make room for 25mg of active.)

415mg baking soda minis 46 = 368 mg of baking soda each cap

Then of course 2500mg of active

So you will need 36,800mg of baking soda and 2500mg of active to successfully make this batch.

When I say active it could be anything but not talking any particular active ingredient.

But none of that will work and be consistent if you do not make all compounds the same consistency. Pharmacy’s still use mortar and pestle a lot so why not you?

If you are going to use a mortar and pestle make sure you grind the active before doing this measurement

 

[tubesox]

Washed in the.....DISHWASHER ?!?!?!

 

[Olympia Labs]

Okay I will explain a better way and more accurate way of dosing caps. But after I do so I need you to donate to Anabolic Labs!

Sucks you got a 100 cap press but if you are going to use that to measure you will need to do the following when measuring

Load all 100 caps and use your tamping tool if you do when pressing

Now the fun part

Empty all baking soda and measure it (say it’s 41,500mg)

Divide that by the 100 = 415mg of BS per cap

Now you have to fill all caps with active ingredient only and use the tamping tool as well

Empty and weigh again (say it’s 22,500mg)- this is why no one does this.

Divide that by 100 = 225mg of active per cap (this will be different for every compound)

Now you figure out the ratio of active to baking soda

25mg active = unknown mg of BS

225mg of active = 415mg of BS

So the formula is
(25mg active * 415mg BS) / 225mg active = 46.11 of baking soda (this is the unknown stated above and how much needs to be removed per pill to make room for 25mg of active.)

415mg baking soda minis 46 = 368 mg of baking soda each cap

Then of course 2500mg of active

So you will need 36,800mg of baking soda and 2500mg of active to successfully make this batch.

When I say active it could be anything but not talking any particular active ingredient.

But none of that will work and be consistent if you do not make all compounds the same consistency. Pharmacy’s still use mortar and pestle a lot so why not you?

If you are going to use a mortar and pestle make sure you grind the active before doing this measurement

Yep great method. It accomplishes the same thing as mine. Imagine taking one cap, recording its weight. Then weighing out 25mg of active ingredient and putting it in the cap. Now fill the remainder of this cap with baking soda. Record the final weight of cap. Now, (Final weight of cap - (weight of empty cap + weight of active ingredient)) = weight of baking soda in cap. You now have the weight of baking soda needed per cap. 100 caps requires 25mg active * 100 and the weight of baking soda per cap (calculated above) * 100.

This is a trivial debate, because at the core we’re doing the same thing. You are reverse engineering the numbers and I’m forward engineering. I will use your method though for peace of mind since people seem to prefer it based on the members liking your post. I’ll also buy a mortar and pestle like you suggested. Thanks for that info. Will also donate to anabolic labs for your time!

 

[Olympia Labs]

Washed in the.....DISHWASHER ?!?!?!

Prior to being sterilized and dry heated in oven. It’s just an additional step for cleanliness.

 

[tubesox]

Prior to being sterilized and dry heated in oven. It’s just an additional step for cleanliness.

Ok, missed that part

 

[Mighty-mouse]

Yep great method. It accomplishes the same thing as mine. Imagine taking one cap, recording its weight. Then weighing out 25mg of active ingredient and putting it in the cap. Now fill the remainder of this cap with baking soda. Record the final weight of cap. Now, (Final weight of cap - (weight of empty cap + weight of active ingredient)) = weight of baking soda in cap. You now have the weight of baking soda needed per cap. 100 caps requires 25mg active * 100 and the weight of baking soda per cap (calculated above) * 100.

This is a trivial debate, because at the core we’re doing the same thing. You are reverse engineering the numbers and I’m forward engineering. I will use your method though for peace of mind since people seem to prefer it based on the members liking your post. I’ll also buy a mortar and pestle like you suggested. Thanks for that info. Will also donate to anabolic labs for your time!

So you don’t use a tamping tool? Your way is different believe it or not.

Because you are measuring the caps as well. That’s another variable that could be off in weights from cap to cap. Not much I know but we are discussing accurate dosing.

Why do y’all not use a mortar and pestle?

I will beat the M&P to death but it fucking works perfect. Then I would place in the polisher.

 

[Olympia Labs]

So you don’t use a tamping tool? Your way is different believe it or not.

Because you are measuring the caps as well. That’s another variable that could be off in weights from cap to cap. Not much I know but we are discussing accurate dosing.

Why do y’all not use a mortar and pestle?

I will beat the M&P to death but it fucking works perfect. Then I would place in the polisher.

Sorry, yes we do use a tamping tool. It came with the capping machine. Didn’t see the need to include that in my steps but better to be as detailed as possible.

That’s a good point. Maybe I’m slightly ocd but I do randomly throw empty caps on the scale a lot, and they’ve always weighed the exact same. However theoretically it does add a variable. I’ll stick to your method like I said. Logically, it makes sense. And I’m ordering the mortar + pestle as we speak! It’ll be used from now on before putting anything in the polisher.

 

[Olympia Labs]

Sorry, yes we do use a tamping tool. It came with the capping machine. Didn’t see the need to include that in my steps but better to be as detailed as possible.

That’s a good point. Maybe I’m slightly ocd but I do randomly throw empty caps on the scale a lot, and they’ve always weighed the exact same. However theoretically it does add a variable. I’ll stick to your method like I said. Logically, it makes sense. And I’m ordering the mortar + pestle as we speak! It’ll be used from now on before putting anything in the polisher.

You can actually see the tamping tool in one of the pics I included of my lab equipment.

 

[T-Bagger]

Sorry, yes we do use a tamping tool. It came with the capping machine. Didn’t see the need to include that in my steps but better to be as detailed as possible.

That’s a good point. Maybe I’m slightly ocd but I do randomly throw empty caps on the scale a lot, and they’ve always weighed the exact same. However theoretically it does add a variable. I’ll stick to your method like I said. Logically, it makes sense. And I’m ordering the mortar + pestle as we speak! It’ll be used from now on before putting anything in the polisher.

Sounds like a highly time consuming process to make caps. Makes me wonder how you have time for anything else.