Steroid hyperglycemia

[Type-IIx]

It's like playing telephone, we've got the messenger, and the guy everyone's trying to help is delusional; somewhere there's the problem of at least one untrustworthy narrator.

Androgens (anabolic steroids) don't cause hyperglycemia or insulin resistance, glucocorticoids, i.e., catabolic steroids do. Anabolic steroids do the opposite, they increase insulin sensitivity.

Hormone use doesn't cause these long-term changes. But increased visceral fat especially does.

Not sure what cortisol or DHEA has to do with fuck-all here.

Metformin "didn't work" so he just stopped taking it and didn't follow up with the doctor about his concerns? This guy just sounds like a typical victim in his own mind on the fateful journey to type 2 diabetes that so many take.

It sounds like this retired bodybuilder got used to being able to eat - at best flexibly and at worst incredibly poorly while young and on gear - and now that he's completely off gear and getting older, his body's just not the same.

Boo fucking hoo, accept reality; as we age, and when we don't have drugs, we have to take care of ourselves better.

If he's hypogonadal, consider TRT. Start eating some fucking salads and stop relying on intermittent fasting's claims of magic effects without fundamental change to diet. Start doing cardio and increase activity overall.

 

[Rido]

It's like playing telephone, we've got the messenger, and the guy everyone's trying to help is delusional; somewhere there's the problem of at least one untrustworthy narrator.

Androgens (anabolic steroids) don't cause hyperglycemia or insulin resistance, glucocorticoids, i.e., catabolic steroids do. Anabolic steroids do the opposite, they increase insulin sensitivity.

Hormone use doesn't cause these long-term changes. But increased visceral fat especially does.

Not sure what cortisol or DHEA has to do with fuck-all here.

Metformin "didn't work" so he just stopped taking it and didn't follow up with the doctor about his concerns? This guy just sounds like a typical victim in his own mind on the fateful journey to type 2 diabetes that so many take.

It sounds like this retired bodybuilder got used to being able to eat - at best flexibly and at worst incredibly poorly while young and on gear - and now that he's completely off gear and getting older, his body's just not the same.

Boo fucking hoo, accept reality; as we age, and when we don't have drugs, we have to take care of ourselves better.

If he's hypogonadal, consider TRT. Start eating some fucking salads and stop relying on intermittent fasting's claims of magic effects without fundamental change to diet. Start doing cardio and increase activity overall.

I mean, I know plenty of us talk like this. Straight and asshole sounding, but everytime I see @Type-IIx doing so, i keep thinking he is getting off cycle/blast

 

[Type-IIx]

I mean, I know plenty of us talk like this. Straight and asshole sounding, but everytime I see @Type-IIx doing so, i keep thinking he is getting off cycle/blast

This is just normal old me I'm totally off, just straight shootin' on this topic that gets me riled up.

Put another way, we used to die of disease, starvation, or accidents from dangerous work, and now the emerging leading cause of worldwide morbidity is eating like an asshole and inactivity. The level of self-delusion and well-intentioned enabling of this fact drives me crazy.

 

[Whopperflopper]

Jesus fucking Christ. I'm assuming you have t2 diabetes?

Yes sir, I do.

 

[Evom1]

This is just normal old me I'm totally off, just straight shootin' on this topic that gets me riled up.

Put another way, we used to die of disease, starvation, or accidents from dangerous work, and now the emerging leading cause of worldwide morbidity is eating like an asshole and inactivity. The level of self-delusion and well-intentioned enabling of this fact drives me crazy.

Way too accurate. The fact 25% bf is leaner than average is horrible

 

[mikelaurey84]

It's like playing telephone, we've got the messenger, and the guy everyone's trying to help is delusional; somewhere there's the problem of at least one untrustworthy narrator.

Androgens (anabolic steroids) don't cause hyperglycemia or insulin resistance, glucocorticoids, i.e., catabolic steroids do. Anabolic steroids do the opposite, they increase insulin sensitivity.

Hormone use doesn't cause these long-term changes. But increased visceral fat especially does.

Not sure what cortisol or DHEA has to do with fuck-all here.

Metformin "didn't work" so he just stopped taking it and didn't follow up with the doctor about his concerns? This guy just sounds like a typical victim in his own mind on the fateful journey to type 2 diabetes that so many take.

It sounds like this retired bodybuilder got used to being able to eat - at best flexibly and at worst incredibly poorly while young and on gear - and now that he's completely off gear and getting older, his body's just not the same.

Boo fucking hoo, accept reality; as we age, and when we don't have drugs, we have to take care of ourselves better.

If he's hypogonadal, consider TRT. Start eating some fucking salads and stop relying on intermittent fasting's claims of magic effects without fundamental change to diet. Start doing cardio and increase activity overall.

He said to his doctor that metformin wasnt working and he just answered: oh, I'm sorry, I can't help you further, probably it is because the roids you took.
And the same said all the other doctors.

Last year, he had very high levels of cortisol and as all we know, high cortisol contributes to have high sugar level.

 

[Evom1]

He said to his doctor that metformin wasnt working and he just answered: oh, I'm sorry, I can't help you further, probably it is because the roids you took.
And the same said all the other doctors.

Last year, he had very high levels of cortisol and as all we know, high cortisol contributes to have high sugar level.

He needs to lose weight. And do not tell me he tried and can't.

CORRECT diet and training/cardio

What he tried didn't work? Great, that method was not correct for him. Don't make excuses.

 

[Rido]

There is something missing to this story. Maybe he was an asshole to the doctors. Maybe he is non compliant. Metformin does work, and he can go up to 2grams a day easily.

 

[Type-IIx]

He said to his doctor that metformin wasnt working and he just answered: oh, I'm sorry, I can't help you further, probably it is because the roids you took.
And the same said all the other doctors.

Last year, he had very high levels of cortisol and as all we know, high cortisol contributes to have high sugar level.

Yeah, let's play the ol' telephone game. He said this, his doc did and said that, blah blah.

Is this guy an adult? Then I don't find his situation sympathetic whatsoever, he can find another doctor and eat more salads. Ride a bike instead of drive. Go for walks. The possibilities are endless.

hIgH cOrTiSoL has actually fallen out of its #1 spot in popularity as of late as the token excuse for fat people that refuse to eat less and move more, but it's still in the top 3.

 

[GoblinRaid200mg]

Send him to a remote island with a supply of water and essential minerals/vitamins, come back in a few months and you will find that he’s lost weight, even with his elevated cortisol from being stranded alone and hungry on a island.

In other words he’s eating too much.

 

[Evom1]

Send him to a remote island with a supply of water and essential minerals/vitamins, come back in a few months and you will find that he’s lost weight, even with his elevated cortisol from being stranded alone and hungry on a island.

In other words he’s eating too much.

No that won't work. Didn't you read? He can't lose weight, he tried.


.... Lol

 

[Demondosage]

Insulin dependent diabetic myself, diagnosed when I was about 32 years old. I can tell you everything you want to know abt insulin resistance and diabetes. Can steroids play a part? I think they can honestly, but it’s not always that cut and dry. A lot of it also has to do with stress on the body, elevated cortisol levels, lack of rest and recovery, and eating thousands of calories a day to grow. I was never fat and didn’t eat much junk at all, but I did eat A LOT throughout the years to try to grow.

Diabetes does not run in my family, but autoimmune issues do, so take that as you will. I believe that sometimes a perfect storm can be created where your body overproduces insulin and/or becomes resistant to it. I can tell you that once this happens there is little that changing the diet can do if you’re underproducing insulin. You can starve all you want to little effect on it. Working out fasted on an empty stomach is one of the worst things someone who is diabetic can do, so is intermittent fasting. Once you are diabetic or prediabetic it’s no bueno, the liver will dump sugar into the bloodstream as a survival mechanism and it can make your fasted glucose even worse. The best way I’ve found to keep blood sugar at bay is to take the right amount of insulin/medication to a controlled amount of carbohydrates, but not total carb depletion. Anyways, hopefully he gets it figured out, being diabetic sucks but it doesn’t mean you cannot bodybuild. You just have to find ways to work with it

 

[Demondosage]

One more thing, once you are taking insulin then dieting for fat loss or contest prep can be playing with fire, you need to make sure everything is on track and avoid having a hypoglycemic episode where you don’t wake up or wake up to paramedics and an IV in your arm getting you glucose. Unfortunately I’ve been there and I now wear a dexcom meter that continuously reads my glucose and alerts my phone if I’m going low.

 

[Live_Evil]

The problem is that they said he is not diabetic and most of them agreed that it is a result of the abuse of steroids.

Lazy general practitioners that would rather blame his past steroid use than actually get to work.

Guys, he knows that his body fat is high, but the main issue is that he is not able to lower it even if it is on a strict diet. He also tried the keto diet for few months but he wasnt able to go lower than 20% of bf. He workouts everyday and he still has good muscular volume.

He thinks that the difficulty with the weight loss is related to the insuline's issue and not the contrary. Almost all his fat is concentrated in the abdomen area. Really almost no fat on shoulders and chest.

His estradiol is fine and in the range.

Yes, the body stores fat on the abdomen first, this is known fact.

If you took all his food away and starved him to death, he'd still fucking die. Meaning, he can lose weight. Tell this fat "ex pro bodybuilder" to stop eating like shit, and fucking starve himself if he needs to. The keto diet isn't going to magically force him into being lean if he's still consuming 5k calories a day.

Further, you need to stop taking everything he says as the gospel truth.

The math isn’t mathing.

He’s a retired pro bodybuilder but can’t figure out 25% bodyfat is most definitely the root of his issue? A doctor won’t discuss diabetes even tho he’s showing diabetic fasted glucose and fasting insulin levels?

I'd imagine this "ex pro bodybuilder" just told the OP a bunch of bologna that the OP bought into wholeheartedly. None of this shit makes sense. Dude probably wasn't ever a pro.

 

[mikelaurey84]

Lazy general practitioners that would rather blame his past steroid use than actually get to work.



Yes, the body stores fat on the abdomen first, this is known fact.

If you took all his food away and starved him to death, he'd still fucking die. Meaning, he can lose weight. Tell this fat "ex pro bodybuilder" to stop eating like shit, and fucking starve himself if he needs to. The keto diet isn't going to magically force him into being lean if he's still consuming 5k calories a day.

Further, you need to stop taking everything he says as the gospel truth.



I'd imagine this "ex pro bodybuilder" just told the OP a bunch of bologna that the OP bought into wholeheartedly. None of this shit makes sense. Dude probably wasn't ever a pro.

He is an ex pro for sure and I'm pretty sure all of you heard his name at least one time in your life. However, it doesn't matter, I reported him your opinions and now it is up to him to choose for his life. I just tried to help him a little bit.

 

[shartking]

He is an ex pro for sure and I'm pretty sure all of you heard his name at least one time in your life. However, it doesn't matter, I reported him your opinions and now it is up to him to choose for his life. I just tried to help him a little bit.

Just doubling down on it doesn't make it more believable. I find it unlikely that an ex pro, who we all know, can't figure out how to drop a few pounds. Did he never contest prep?

 

[Rido]

Just doubling down on it doesn't make it more believable. I find it unlikely that an ex pro, who we all know, can't figure out how to drop a few pounds. Did he never contest prep?

Your username is ridiculous and I love it.


One of my biggest fears on leg day

 

[shartking]

Your username is ridiculous and I love it.


One of my biggest fears on leg day

BeefCake and PrettyBoy were already taken. I had to settle.

 

[mikelaurey84]

Just an update: he revised his whole diet again and he decreased his body fat. He also lost weight during the past weeks and he feels better.

The problem is that he took again his blood tests (after two months) and the values are still:

Insuline: 43 uU/ml the range is: 2,6-24,9
Glucose: 133 mg/dl the range is: 60 - 110

 

[Rido]

Just an update: he revised his whole diet again and he decreased his body fat. He also lost weight during the past weeks and he feels better.

The problem is that he took again his blood tests (after two months) and the values are still:

Insuline: 43 uU/ml the range is: 2,6-24,9
Glucose: 133 mg/dl the range is: 60 - 110

Expecting improved results over the past weeks? Needs to drop more fat.


Also is he truly fasting? What's his a1c?