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[mghoward74]

Are you referring to me? Meso is not the only place pharmacom resides.

Do you think I was talking about you?

I know pharmacon sources on other boards. I'm specifically talking about members here. If I'd like to see how other forums are doing with a certain product, I'll venture that way, whether it's PC or any other source. I lurk over at MC, PM and few other forums. Don't participate much because of family life. Do I get valuable info from other boards? Hell yeah! I research and exhaust all resources before making decision.

 

[TBJ9000]

Do you think I was talking about you?

I know pharmacon sources on other boards. I'm specifically talking about members here. If I'd like to see how other forums are doing with a certain product, I'll venture that way, whether it's PC or any other source. I lurk over at MC, PM and few other forums. Don't participate much because of family life. Do I get valuable info from other boards? Hell yeah! I research and exhaust all resources before making decision.

That was my bad. I like to do those things as well.

 

[CdnGuy]

That being said,I won't stand for being called out, rediculous claims andbeing called a shill.

I'm far from a shill,

I admit I am bias. I am a LONG TIME pharmacom store customer.

With that being said, I'll also defend Darius. I've seen people try to attack him and reverse scam him countless times over the years.

You can't even admit it can you? Did you even look at that bloods thread?
Your post here speaks volumes! Difference is man I'm not bias I don't use any ugl here. So nxt time you wanna act like you're so high and mighty and such a good guy. Don't shoot yourself in the foot later hypocrite lol nah your not a PC shill lol I'm done Mr Biased

 

[mghoward74]

I have to disagree on the reverse shill part. They're everywhere and not just this board I'm talking about nor do they just go after pharma com. The lengths some people go to "steal" gear is unbelievable.

I understand...

Where have you seen reverse shilling. I'll call them out too. Or do you mean reverse scamming?

I have no tolerance for those even more.

 

[IronJulius]

I guess I'll add my .02....

1.) I don't use PC products

2.) I don't appreciate the deception in regards to the shill implementation.

3.) I don't appreciate the "Wow Factor" videos. Reason: members were fooled with the whole astrolabs thing and the supposedly pharmaceutical like lab he took pictures of, claiming it was his personal lab.

4.) Customers paying for services they don't receive.

5.) The other issue which I believe pharmacon is supporting are these suspect cycle log.

Members who join just to say I'm on pharmacon products, post up or dont post up bloodwork and haven't even participated in any thread, let alone introduced themselves in the intro thread.

You can see why someone would/could be suspicious. That's not even mentioning the possibility of the things surrounding anaboliclab/ simec...which I'm a conspiracy theorist on...I must say the least. It always concerned me that when people had issues with PC, their thread moved so fast that some questions were never answered because of new guys bombing threads about useless inquiries.

There's no reverse shills here. No hired gunz to run PC out of business. If so, then what's the difference in what PC started doing with hiring shills

I got to admit @Dema & @IronJulius are pretty funny with some of their shill response.... atleast their owning it, but the other guys are making PC look bad. One of the reps/shills mentioned not having a single issue in 2 years...iirc...really?! There's issues here every week.

Lastly, i hope new members are smart enough to make an objective decision based off bloodwork from active members here on meso (who just don't frequent PC threads).

Respectfully

MESO itself is pretty entertaining and i actually get to act out a little side of me i rarely visit. i will say ive learned to like this board always appreciated the info especially when i was just starting out this board gets a lot of traffic and many of my questions/research brought me here first

hell when i google shill my name is pops up in 5 threads here

 

[Docd187123]

I understand...

Where have you seen reverse shilling. I'll call them out too. Or do you mean reverse scamming?

I have no tolerance for those even more.

Deep derp. My bad. You're right lol. I was thinking of reverse scamming but oftentimes a reverse shill takes on that role to reverse scam a source. Buy some gear, claim bunk and garbage gear (aka reverse shill), then swoops at the opportunity to get freebie replacements.

I've seen it here, on steroids.com, ology back when I was on there and in private circles I can't talk about. The one here that most easily comes to mind, although I can't recall the thread or member, the guy said he "knows" what gear is supposed to feel like and his gear felt bunk or under dosed. IIRC he refused to get bloods done or claimed he couldn't afford them and that was it. Never showed proof of any sort beyond his feelings.

 

[mghoward74]

Well said.. I like the last part. Honestly I haven't seen one horrible blood work on all the other board I frequent. I have seen some on meso that turned out to be a scam but blood work shows all. And blood work has been showing great consistency

You should like all of my post, not just the last part.

My concern is this...

Is PC products overdosed? If so, then the bloodwork is flawed somewhat.

Example: PC TestE test at 600 mg through simec, but labeled 500 mg and blood work comes back at 4300 ng (example).
I know this isn't a percent world, but the thought weighs on my mind as it should anyone

Respectfully

 

[Docd187123]

Here's one example of the lack of objectivity and standardization of claims:

TBJ9000 is being called a shill by many here bc he's only here to respond to Pcom threads and talks about his positive experiences with them. Apparently coming to a forum to talk about a source positively makes him a shill.

Now Achilles26 has somethin like 23 posts on the forum and THEYRE ALL IN PCOM THREADS. Why isn't he called a reverse shill bc he's doing exactly what TBJ9000 is doimg but on the other side of the fence??? It's like anyone that goes against the herd is a shill and anyone with the herd is G2G even when they do THE SAME THINGS.

Now I'm not saying TBJ9000 isn't a shill but his posts don't prove it and he's brought up some interesting points. His only fault is going against the herd.

Im Also not saying Achilles26 is a reverse shill but let's look at what we were presented with:

We have an obviously used vial of GH. The brown thing in the vial couldn't have been in there from the beginning bc then why would he pin the GH if it was. The GH is mixed with BAC water WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO KEEP A SOLUTION BACTERIOSTATIC. So when and how did this brown thing get in there???

 

[mghoward74]

MESO itself is pretty entertaining and i actually get to act out a little side of me i rarely visit. i will say ive learned to like this board always appreciated the info especially when i was just starting out this board gets a lot of traffic and many of my questions/research brought me here first

hell when i google shill my name is pops up in 5 threads here

This is why you HAVE TO LOVE THIS PLACE. You can say what you want, your voice will be heard by everyone. Yes, shit gets sideways and derailed alot, but we just have to get past that. Just like at work, bullshit goes on everyday. You figure it out (hopefully) and progress forward.

There is good info here

Respectfully

 

[Docd187123]

You should like all of my post, not just the last part.

My concern is this...

Is PC products overdosed? If so, then the bloodwork is flawed somewhat.

Example: PC TestE test at 600 mg through simec, but labeled 500 mg and blood work comes back at 4300 ng (example).
I know this isn't a percent world, but the thought weighs on my mind as it should anyone

Respectfully

The bloodwork itself isn't flawed. It's how people apply it that is. That and the lack of asking questions or transparency regarding relavent factors such as dosing frequency, time into the cycle, time from last pin to bloodwork, etc.

Then you can have someone shill for a source by injecting more than they claim to artificially inflate the TT numbers in favor of the source or you can get a reverse shill/scammer to dose lower than claimed or take bloods later than claimed to artificially lower TT numbers. You not only have to trust the person who did the bloods but you also have to apply the circumstances surrounding the blood work appropriately to be able to compare them to others, if even possible.

 

[jaymaximus]

3.) I don't appreciate the "Wow Factor" videos. Reason: members were fooled with the whole astrolabs thing and the supposedly pharmaceutical like lab he took pictures of, claiming it was his personal lab

This is one thing I still dont get. If Pharmacom's set-up is like they say in the videos how is there all these mis-dosed batches. If the dosing is done by a machine and theyre getting raws tested there should be no discrepancies.

P.S. I got no dog in this fight either way. Ive ordered from Darius and had good results and bloods.
Having said that, that doesn't mean anyone should be blind to anything that's said.

Also if people have a problem with Pharmacom, the only people who should respond are their sellers and reps. Because you've ordered gear does not qualify you.

Don't be offended when you step in and get called a shill when you're defending a business you claim to have no stake in. If you have no stake what do you care what someone else is saying?

If I went to McDonald's to claim my apple pie is burnt to a worker, would you step up in for the restraunt and argue against me because you bought some that were ok? I doubt it. You'd say it's not my business.

 

[IronJulius]

Here's one example of the lack of objectivity and standardization of claims:

TBJ9000 is being called a shill by many here bc he's only here to respond to Pcom threads and talks about his positive experiences with them. Apparently coming to a forum to talk about a source positively makes him a shill.

Now Achilles26 has somethin like 23 posts on the forum and THEYRE ALL IN PCOM THREADS. Why isn't he called a reverse shill bc he's doing exactly what TBJ9000 is doimg but on the other side of the fence??? It's like anyone that goes against the herd is a shill and anyone with the herd is G2G even when they do THE SAME THINGS.

Now I'm not saying TBJ9000 isn't a shill but his posts don't prove it and he's brought up some interesting points. His only fault is going against the herd.

Im Also not saying Achilles26 is a reverse shill but let's look at what we were presented with:

We have an obviously used vial of GH. The brown thing in the vial couldn't have been in there from the beginning bc then why would he pin the GH if it was. The GH is mixed with BAC water WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO KEEP A SOLUTION BACTERIOSTATIC. So when and how did this brown thing get in there???

so whos side are you on bro lol your either for us or against us

that was a joke i hope you got as i will feel weird hearing crickets

 

[CdnGuy]

Here's one example of the lack of objectivity and standardization of claims:

TBJ9000 is being called a shill by many here bc he's only here to respond to Pcom threads and talks about his positive experiences with them. Apparently coming to a forum to talk about a source positively makes him a shill.

Now Achilles26 has somethin like 23 posts on the forum and THEYRE ALL IN PCOM THREADS. Why isn't he called a reverse shill bc he's doing exactly what TBJ9000 is doimg but on the other side of the fence??? It's like anyone that goes against the herd is a shill and anyone with the herd is G2G even when they do THE SAME THINGS.

Now I'm not saying TBJ9000 isn't a shill but his posts don't prove it and he's brought up some interesting points. His only fault is going against the herd.

Im Also not saying Achilles26 is a reverse shill but let's look at what we were presented with:

We have an obviously used vial of GH. The brown thing in the vial couldn't have been in there from the beginning bc then why would he pin the GH if it was. The GH is mixed with BAC water WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO KEEP A SOLUTION BACTERIOSTATIC. So when and how did this brown thing get in there???

Hmmmmm not a shill brother? I'm going to hit the bong ! Good night brothers....

I admit I am bias. I am a LONG TIME pharmacom store customer. My history with them is no secret.

 

[TBJ9000]

so whos side are you on bro lol your either for us or against us

that was a joke i hope you got as i will feel weird hearing crickets

Julius, am I a shill?

Night night fellas!

 

[Docd187123]

This is one thing I still dont get. If Pharmacom's set-up is like they say in the videos how is there all these mis-dosed batches. If the dosing is done by a machine and theyre getting raws tested there should be no discrepancies.

P.S. I got no dog in this fight either way. Ive ordered from Darius and had good results and bloods.
Having said that, that doesn't mean anyone should be blind to anything that's said.

Also if people have a problem with Pharmacom, the only people who should respond are their sellers and reps. Because you've ordered gear does not qualify you.

Don't be offended when you step in and get called a shill when you're defending a business you claim to have no stake in. If you have no stake what do you care what someone else is saying?

If I went to McDonald's to claim my apple pie is burnt to a worker, would you step up in for the restraunt and argue against me because you bought some that were ok? I doubt it. You'd say it's not my business.

I never watched those vids but even pharmaceutical companies have to make adjustments to their production line. Humidity, ambient temps, purity of the raw, a wrong tear on a scale, etc etc can all affect end results. Pharma is generally tighter with their variance bc they run QC during production runs and make constant adjustments. I have no idea what this lab does but making a consistent product within +/- 10% variance isn't as easy as baking brownies, especially when done on such a massive scale. My cousin works at a pharmaceutical company and he says they pay employees to sit at the line, test random samples and make adjustments. That's their entire Job and they get paid pretty well for it too lol.

 

[IronJulius]

Julius, am I a shill?

Night night fellas!

no you just hang out in weird threads with tranny porn but im not judging

night yall

 

[Docd187123]

so whos side are you on bro lol your either for us or against us

that was a joke i hope you got as i will feel weird hearing crickets

That was one of the most childish comments in the history of internetdom that I have ever read. $10 says the kid is a teenager.

 

[Docd187123]

Hmmmmm not a shill brother? I'm going to hit the bong ! Good night brothers....

Admitting bias isn't the same as being or admitting to being a shill

Take a few puffs for me please. And make it some fire shit

 

[Geterdun]

Here's one example of the lack of objectivity and standardization of claims:

TBJ9000 is being called a shill by many here bc he's only here to respond to Pcom threads and talks about his positive experiences with them. Apparently coming to a forum to talk about a source positively makes him a shill.

Now Achilles26 has somethin like 23 posts on the forum and THEYRE ALL IN PCOM THREADS. Why isn't he called a reverse shill bc he's doing exactly what TBJ9000 is doimg but on the other side of the fence??? It's like anyone that goes against the herd is a shill and anyone with the herd is G2G even when they do THE SAME THINGS.

Now I'm not saying TBJ9000 isn't a shill but his posts don't prove it and he's brought up some interesting points. His only fault is going against the herd.

Im Also not saying Achilles26 is a reverse shill but let's look at what we were presented with:

We have an obviously used vial of GH. The brown thing in the vial couldn't have been in there from the beginning bc then why would he pin the GH if it was. The GH is mixed with BAC water WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO KEEP A SOLUTION BACTERIOSTATIC. So when and how did this brown thing get in there???

Who are the "many" that have called him a shill? I'm not saying no one hasnt, but many might be a bit far.

Why doesn't he have to supply proof about his Pcom experiences? He can come say it's all been good over the years without supplying blood work like we ask from pretty much anyone who is backing a source as he admitted already?

I'm not saying Achillies26 is correct, but at least he has pictures with something. Maybe a scam, sure, but why does TBJ9000 get to praise Pcom, for over 24 hours I believe and in my opinion, more than the known shills, or Darius and Frank themselves have, but he gets a free pass every time he says he has used their gear and it was good?

By the way, this is the first time I believe I have said anything about TBJ9000, if it's not, I apologize in advance.

@Docd187123 Dont think I'm bashing you, I'm not, just trying to look at this from all angles.

 

[CdnGuy]

Julius, am I a shill?

Night night fellas!

Give you some props man. At least you have the balls to admit your bias! You're buddy's don't have that.....Good night