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I'm not sure if what we see taking place is really that educational for new guys though, that's the thing. It might save them $ in the sense that not doing business with a lab will eliminate their chance of losing that $, but we're really just trading one extreme for another. They aren't any closer to the truth at the end of the day. They are only really learning what to say / not to say if they want to avoid getting flamed.

I also think this has something to do with why regulars aren't doing reviews or commenting on labs as you mentioned. Ask most of them and they will tell you they don't want to deal with the subsequent and inevitable drama.

I think the two are related.
As a newish member here, you're 100% right. I may or may not have made some purchases from sources on here, but no way I'd ever share, good or bad just because I know either way I'd be blasted over it. Objectivity has pretty much been thrown out the window. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials.
 
Noob here... So whose a reliable and quality dealer if you don't mind me asking? Or site that you guys have managed to order from?

Thanks

That's a million dollar question. I'm going to give you some advice I read during research and wasn't even told to do!

You stick around long enough, do your part for the Meso community and you will start to see things much clearer with respect to finding a source.
 
I'm not sure if what we see taking place is really that educational for new guys though, that's the thing. It might save them $ in the sense that not doing business with a lab will eliminate their chance of losing that $, but we're really just trading one extreme for another. They aren't any closer to the truth at the end of the day. They are only really learning what to say / not to say if they want to avoid getting flamed.

I also think this has something to do with why regulars aren't doing reviews or commenting on labs as you mentioned. Ask most of them and they will tell you they don't want to deal with the subsequent and inevitable drama.

I think the two are related.
Being new isn't a fair reason to immediately call someone out. Imo depends on the authenticity and past interactions on Meso with the community. You can see who's here to learn and legitimately get to know the members. And I can think of one very respected member leaving a review on PC GH. It was honest and not in favour of that experience. Yet no one besides vets payed any attention lol But a brand new guy will gush and the green members seem to buy it lol Personally i just don't want people to think. The calling out is being done for the wrong reasons.
 
This is one thing I still dont get. If Pharmacom's set-up is like they say in the videos how is there all these mis-dosed batches. If the dosing is done by a machine and theyre getting raws tested there should be no discrepancies.

P.S. I got no dog in this fight either way. Ive ordered from Darius and had good results and bloods.
Having said that, that doesn't mean anyone should be blind to anything that's said.

Also if people have a problem with Pharmacom, the only people who should respond are their sellers and reps. Because you've ordered gear does not qualify you.

Don't be offended when you step in and get called a shill when you're defending a business you claim to have no stake in. If you have no stake what do you care what someone else is saying?

If I went to McDonald's to claim my apple pie is burnt to a worker, would you step up in for the restraunt and argue against me because you bought some that were ok? I doubt it. You'd say it's not my business.

Well said...

Frank
 
You've approached me with nothing but respect so you'll get nothing but respect back. I'm always open to being questioned and I'm never above reproach. Looking at shit from all angles is imperative before making up ones mind so I'm fine with you engaging me whenever man. Seriously.

Without getting into an argument regarding semantics of the term many, let's just say half or more of the respondents in the last few pages of this thread have called him a shill...give or take.

I never said anything about providing proof for his claims. The thing is though, the proof required to back up a claim needs to be relative to the claim. I mean if one is making a hefty claim it requires heft proof if one is making a minor claim it requires minor proof. The other thing is, if he doesn't or refuses to provide proof, then he's really not required to do so but an astute member should take that comment with a grain of salt. I don't put stock in what everyone tells me unless I see the proof but that doesn't mean they can't tell me it. It just means if they want me to believe them they'll need ample evidence. Also consider the treatment he got. Would you be leaping at the chance to post your proof to a herd of ppl who would likely refute it on redidulous reasoning? Again, not saying he's a shill or not, although my opinion would be the latter, just that the treatment wasn't fitting of the "crime" so to,speak.

Well said
 
That's a million dollar question. I'm going to give you some advice I read during research and wasn't even told to do!

You stick around long enough, do your part for the Meso community and you will start to see things much clearer with respect to finding a source.
Thanks for the reply

Where is pharmacom based anyways and how does it get bypassed would i in any way get in trouble?

Ill def be sticking around and put logs up soon i just need more stash

Thx
 
So has all the bullshit been cleared up yet? Or do I have to go read 50 pages of shit talking lol. I'm still brand new here and was about to pull the trigger on my shopping cart for my 2nd cycle, then thought, I better cruise the forums first lol. Go ahead and flame me, I still love the vets here ;) any help is always appreciated dudes. I can always go back and read.
 
Thanks for the reply

Where is pharmacom based anyways and how does it get bypassed would i in any way get in trouble?

Ill def be sticking around and put logs up soon i just need more stash

Thx
Read, read and more reading homie. Check labs, check bloods posted by users, there are plenty of threads like this for other suppliers. And nobody on here is gonna say "use so and so supplier". That's just not how these meso boys do it around here. And that's prolly what separates this board from the rest. Good luck sir
 
Where is Pharmacom based anyways and how does it get bypassed would i in any way get in trouble?

there is a handy Meso search feature can bring you up to speed about Pharmacon, where they are located, who sells them and from where. spend a few checking them out. make sure to read all the recent stuff as well!

there is a definite risk in ordering Schedule III drugs without a prescription. there is a definite risk in using gear from a UGL. you have to decide for yourself if the risk is of concern. the vast majority of the time? if you are responsible, keep your life in check, not be a degenerate flashy criminal otherwise, there is no problemo. that said, there are folks with permanent DOC Number's who thought for sure that their plan was bulletproof. so yes, there are ways you can get in trouble.
 
Give you some props man. At least you have the balls to admit your bias! You're buddy's don't have that.....Good night

Haha.

I was making fun of myself. I do admit my bias. Am I doing any wrong by sharing my good experiences?

We can go at this all day long. I will oblige.
 
So has all the bullshit been cleared up yet? Or do I have to go read 50 pages of shit talking lol. I'm still brand new here and was about to pull the trigger on my shopping cart for my 2nd cycle, then thought, I better cruise the forums first lol. Go ahead and flame me, I still love the vets here ;) any help is always appreciated dudes. I can always go back and read.

Would you like me to give you a run down? I'll give you an unbiased run down, I guarantee you that.

If I were you, I'd also look elsewhere than meso. People will continually say "we're for the members" and regurgitate that bullshit but every single forum has its own agenda. What I mean is, they push their own products (see evolutionary), they bash and out certain sponsors, etc.

Am I saying that this is was meso is doing? No. Just giving you some ideas of how things work because 90% of the people have no idea. This is why I encourage you to get on MANY DIFFERENT forums. See how things work. See who's trying to stir shit up.


The fact that this is allowed to go on is hilarious. Basicslly, I could go over to another subforum, tamper with a vial and start some shit without any actual proof and start the bang wagon. I'll get flamed for saying this but it's fucking true. I've been here long enough and before someone says I don't post here a lot, well that's fucking true. Look at these clowns here.

I'll give you the run down on a lot of forums. PM me.

Disclaimer: there's lots of guys here (this thread and forum) who I'm sure are great guys and grumbled give a shit. The small minority of fuck ups dot represent us all. Just like they don't on ASF (my home board)
 
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So has all the bullshit been cleared up yet? Or do I have to go read 50 pages of shit talking lol. I'm still brand new here and was about to pull the trigger on my shopping cart for my 2nd cycle, then thought, I better cruise the forums first lol. Go ahead and flame me, I still love the vets here ;) any help is always appreciated dudes. I can always go back and read.

Double post.
 
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