TheBulkerOnTheRoof
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Gonna give it a shot, what dose do you notice it negates the nandrolone mental sides mate?
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TrenTrenTren
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A good baseline for me is 1:1 with test dosage, but the more Mast, the better for me. Also more acne, but hey, I just scrub more.
Ridethelightningbarefoot
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A lot of people use eq to offset estrogen because it does act like a ai. I experienced it when I was on it and have the bloods to prove it. It increases hematocrit to sometimes dangerous levels. Masteron seems like a good way to go although it will fuck with your cholesterol. I was thinking on my next cycle of running mast npp test. My cholesterol on dhts is worse but total is still in range. Nothing about aas is healthy unfortunately thats why you have to chose what works best for you and get regular blood work. Boldenon cyp and the others have pretty bad pip. I used to use bold cyp and I would make it at 150 and it was spicy as hell haha. My e2 got too low and i felt like shit on it so I dont use bold anymore.
lukiss96
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It's tricky situation for you I see, you could replace deca with eq, but in case you react bad it's gonna take you to the suplex city if you know what I mean lol...
I hated deca it made me act girly, I was obssesed with myself and was bitchy overall. Then I got depression and felt f* up, I quit deca and said to myself no more at that point and if it wasn't enough I had to wait for it to clear (decanoate ester ~14 days half life). It all got better after 2 months, but it sucked. It was after that I started to experiment with low dose equipoise and that was the best steroid besides testosterone and dbol for me. (I draw conclusion that testosterone and it's closest derivatives are best for me).
Don't want to put you off man, as I think you're experiencing something similar, but maybe my situation was worse, I don't know.
P.S I can't say how to change thread name, maybe try contacting mod (it's at the bottom of site and pm him)
phenominal34
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How bout just enjoying life and being happy on or off gear? Soo many depression, addiction, anger threads that all ya want to do is pop more meds. Find what makes you happy in life and live life for fucks sake. Quit crying depression and addiction constantly. I can honestly say I’m in a bad mood or upset less than 2-3 days a year. Again , I’ve said this before …. Go watch an ESPN 60 and tell the 12 year old girl with brain cancer who is smiling and said she won’t let cancer bring her down or the kid with no arms who is fishing off a deck with the fishing pole under his armpit how sad you are or that you can’t say no to coke or alcohol or pills …. Fucking weak ass pussies, grow a set of balls and stop seeking attention!!!! Life is fucking great and if it isn’t I guarantee you caused it not to be with your stupid ass decisions.
Go ahead now and talk shit to me cause you’re weak mentally and “I don’t understand, it’s a real medical condition bla bla bla …. I have to struggle daily not to get back on the crack pipe !!!!”
The world has become a pity session for bitches and they are enabled everyday, it’s sickening.
Go ahead now and talk shit to me cause you’re weak mentally and “I don’t understand, it’s a real medical condition bla bla bla …. I have to struggle daily not to get back on the crack pipe !!!!”
The world has become a pity session for bitches and they are enabled everyday, it’s sickening.
Well generally speaking i can feel the cns benefits at just 200mg,but i was running 400mg mast e with 600npp.I think 400-600mg is a good sweetspot for the mental benefits.Also definitely switch from deca to npp,i think aside from cost and injection frequency npp is superior in many ways.The depression is also way worse on deca probably due to higher saturation levels in the brain.I used pcoms mast but i cant really recommend them because alot of ppl in the uk had their orders seized.
lukiss96
Member
I can't deny your words you spoke the truth here.
I admit some of the reasons you mentioned that's why I got in to steroids, it was for vanity and ego.
Was it normal acne or cystic acne for you?
Footfetishguy
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High test medium deca/npp = good feels
High test = good feels
Test and dbol = good feels
That’s my takeaway from it at least. Some people get anxious or depressed on deca or npp, dbol makes some people lethargic, high test sometimes gives people anxiety. It’s really very individual.
High test = good feels
Test and dbol = good feels
That’s my takeaway from it at least. Some people get anxious or depressed on deca or npp, dbol makes some people lethargic, high test sometimes gives people anxiety. It’s really very individual.
Jin23
Member
I can't believe this thread, ya'll junkies. This man literally said he is ruining his life, and you're advising him to take different aas. Damn.
Op: your story sounded pretty bad. Get the fuck off of everything, don't pin anything for 10 days and then start pining test at a trt dose. Period. The problem is, your neurobiology is kinda "fucked". Especially, are you feeling anxiety? If so, you've got a hyperactive amygdala and that needs to cool down. It wont happen on even more anxiogenic aas like DHT's for fucks sake : ) Read the thread Panick Attack on masteron or something like that. No aas are healthy for the brain. They all increase inflammation and due to this, eventually lead to a depressed and anxious place.
Forget about muscles. Who gives a fuck. You literally said you are ruining your life.
lukiss96
Member
Hey, I didn't say that he should take something. I just answered his question about "good feeling" AAS in my opinion and said that I felt bad and depressed on nandrolone too, I just didn't get in to the details much. Also in that sense we are all junkies more or less here, cuz we are dependent on something.
Rido
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as much as some of your responses piss me off with neurobiology rants, you are right. OP you need to get off everything.
You need to stop the cycle when you realized you were ruining your life. having arguments is one thing. There is a thread of me getting in a nasty fight with my wife. her and our friends were concerned about me being an asshole on cycle 2.
I am on Test/NPP/mast now a 1:1:1 ratio and I am loving every minute of it. I feel like myself, probably a little goofier but in a good way. You may hear the opposite from other people who run this cycle.
But I do NPP so I can pull back if shit hits the fan, however you are on Deca and cant tirate as easily as needed.
Muscles dont matter if you are alone in the world.
stop everything. If you want to try this at a lower dose, then try 300/300/300 of test mast and NPP and titrate from there.
but first you have your life and relationships to fix.
Jin23
Member
A shit, I thought he was one npp.
Op: just stop pinning everything untill your blood serum concentrations reach trt levels or something in the lines of trt + if you will and then continue to stay there, untill you feel your self again then stay there untill that becomes your new normal. After that, be careful what you do with your future cycles. Titrate the dosages slowly, and as @Cridi887 said, npp, or just in general, short esters, are a far better choice if you are prone to experiencing bad mental effects on aas.
@Cridi887 I know you're not the most appreciative of my posts, I can feel the negative energy from your posts aimed at me, even if they're just a simple worded direct question ... Regarding neurobiology; it's a blatant fact, that it's totally disregarded in the aas community and I know a lot of users are kinda on a self destructive, I don't give a fuck, I rather live short and have a blast then die old and fat on a couch mentality, but in all honesty, even these people would design their cycles with neuroprotection in mind if they knew what's what. Just addin an ssri to a cycle, for instance, will stew a lot of mental sides that are due to inflammation and neurochemical "ptsd" due to constantly activated HPA axis ... So imo, there is something to it, bringing this topic up front. Times a re changing and a lot of people are in it more in lines of biohacking then straitght up blasting them selfs and making a mess out of their selfs and lifes.
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TrenTrenTren
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You are right. I didn't read the post well enough at first. I skipped the part where he left his home because of this. That's bad. I agree with what you are saying here.
One thing that I notice is that aas have a way of bringing out our fight or flight senses. If we are accepting of a shitty situation in life, when we take aas, it sometimes brings out our fighter senses. Instead of accepting being walked on, we fight back.
I can only imagine this is the case with his live in girlfriend and his kid. When you get women pregnant, they know they can control you. You are on their terms now.
If he was to be honest about what was going on, I bet it's something to do with his girl.
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TRT
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I think we’ve all been there at one point or another. Just remember that without lows there’s no highs. These bad times are what make the “good times”, good.
If it were me I would just take a step back from this cycle and cruise on some test just to keep you feeling good.
Your primary issue is just going to be communication. My wife and I make sure there is always good communication and it calls for constant attention and practice no matter how old you get. We never get into arguments because of this and most people think we’re faking it but in reality we just put in the work.
I think you need to fist communicate to your girlfriend what you just told us. Speak your mind but don’t tell her “You think I’m acting like a cunt and I’m not.” You are to her. Let her have her opinion it’s her side of communication so you’d be shutting her down by saying that and already loss communication. Try to have this conversation when you both are relaxed and alone and NOT after an argument. Do something nice for her like flowers or anything and let it put her in a good mood and then start talking.
Then have her help you communicate to everyone else in your family what your going through. Sometimes just being present and you not saying anything while your gf explains what your going through to your family will help get some points across. This also keeps you from getting anymore emotional and adding to your situation your going through.
Just my .02 in how my wife and I do things. I wish you the best and just remember this can all turn around in a day. Just got to think positive and stay with it like you do the gym. Good luck buddy. Hope it works out for you.
If it were me I would just take a step back from this cycle and cruise on some test just to keep you feeling good.
Your primary issue is just going to be communication. My wife and I make sure there is always good communication and it calls for constant attention and practice no matter how old you get. We never get into arguments because of this and most people think we’re faking it but in reality we just put in the work.
I think you need to fist communicate to your girlfriend what you just told us. Speak your mind but don’t tell her “You think I’m acting like a cunt and I’m not.” You are to her. Let her have her opinion it’s her side of communication so you’d be shutting her down by saying that and already loss communication. Try to have this conversation when you both are relaxed and alone and NOT after an argument. Do something nice for her like flowers or anything and let it put her in a good mood and then start talking.
Then have her help you communicate to everyone else in your family what your going through. Sometimes just being present and you not saying anything while your gf explains what your going through to your family will help get some points across. This also keeps you from getting anymore emotional and adding to your situation your going through.
Just my .02 in how my wife and I do things. I wish you the best and just remember this can all turn around in a day. Just got to think positive and stay with it like you do the gym. Good luck buddy. Hope it works out for you.
Rido
Subscriber
Some of us don't get mental sides but if my hobby starts affecting my personal and professional life then we have a problem.
Idk how people run grams of gear with no issues.
Drexyl
Member
For me, and we are all different, 19nor make me emotional towards the end, but not aggressive. More like getting teary eyes at cancer kids commercials. Test makes me feel great, as well as masteron, I can say npp and deca I feel good on until the feelings kick in. I'll take heat for saying this, but why are you running 600mg of deca? Are you prepping for a competition? Photo shoot? You're into the dosage that WILL cause cardiac issues, whether it be through lipids or LVH. I'd personally be more concerned about the LVH. If you have quality product 300-400mg is more than enough. 600mg is just unnecessary in my opinion. Just throttle things back bud, it really is an individual question, but it usually boils down to dosages and tolerance.
theotherguy
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I didn’t read the entire thread, though the general concensus seems to be to drop everything.
While I agree that is the best course of action, me personally, I know I would try to figure out another solution… and I have.
MENT at 5 mg/day seems to be good for mental well being, or inositol (vitamin B9) at 5-6g per day also seems to be really good for my mood. Those two things have worked really well for me while running either nandrolone, trenbolone, or both
While I agree that is the best course of action, me personally, I know I would try to figure out another solution… and I have.
MENT at 5 mg/day seems to be good for mental well being, or inositol (vitamin B9) at 5-6g per day also seems to be really good for my mood. Those two things have worked really well for me while running either nandrolone, trenbolone, or both
Drexyl
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B6 is the winner in this card game, a physician will prescribe it to women who are encountering prolactin issues. Myself I find 300-400mg daily to be the sweet spot for me, but I'm conservative and run the same amount of deca or npp weekly. It's proven science with plenty of info to back it up, B6 is your friend while running any 19nor. Probably won't need caber, but again that's individual basis.
Jin23
Member
Bro ... Ment and B6? Another 19nor, agonising the progesterone receptor even further (that's where most sides form 19nor's come) and b6? He is way past the level of vitamins doing anything that will even make a dent. Not that b6 isn't effective for prolactin ... But this is not his problem.
If he would like to keep the dosages, he'd need some strong stuff like; moderate dose ssri. Something to knock down the dopaminergic and noradrenergic tone by a mile and to calm down the amygdala. So definetly no snri's, nri's, mirtazapine's, even maoi's might be problematic and tetracyclic's that are heavy in increasing dopamine transmission are also not a good idea. He needs to seriously dampen down the "drive". So either ssri's or atypical antipsychotics at lower dosages. But imo, I'd still say it's best just to really lower the dosages so he can come to his senses. I mean, he is not a pro, no sponsors are counting on him to perform at this or that show or a foto shoot or whatever. It's a freakin hobby. Imagine your hobby of train model's collection ruining your life, having to move out of your house, etc.
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