STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

[Hypersonic]

Early Jan I had an Indian pack seized (EMS) but wasn't sure until I got the letter a month later. No controlled substances. Then I had an Indiapost pack come through in 7 days early Feb - fastest I've experienced - and a reship of the first pack came a few days later via UAE.

That January pack was my first seizure, but I got lucky because I used a "PCT" vendor (not on meso) who offers reship. This was odd because I've never used a vendor who offered reship before, preferring vetted, cheap Indiamart vendors for the past two years though they offer no reship. What are the odds of all this?

I used to work with a grumpy statistician who harped on about expected value and Bayesian statistics all the time and I would, at every opportunity, ask him that kind of question much to his annoyance and my amusement. He would be working out the math of this situation already (Grok 3 is faster) and would have told me by now to keep ordering from the cheap guys. The posterior probability has barely nudged, I know he would say. Yet my emotional animal brain felt comforted by the safety net of the "free" reship (actually paid for in advance because of the 2x initial price) and may end up winning out the next time because it knows better than to ever trust a statistician.

 

[BigPapa2600]

It's always taken 3-5 months to get an FDA letter for me. Surprised his came so quickly.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'PCT 24X7 "1 stop shop for all day healthcare"'

Mar 8, 2025

Just an update one of my packs from January were seized and I received a love letter from the FDA today so that’s fun. There are already reships in the works so hopefully I’ll end up receiving everything but yeah just an fyi for those buying right now.

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Still, things are much better than before the switch to UAE. Last year was a nightmare for packs from India.

Did he say what was siezed? Raws? Finished oils? I’m curious how this new AI technology can identify drugs specifically raw powders when they’re labeled as something different. Also curious as someone who’s never received an FDA letter in the mail, what happens? They seize your package and flag your Name and address? What if it’s not in your name? If it’s paid in BTC can’t you just deny it was yours? I guess if they keep catching them and pull up the history that could warrant an automatic search warrant on the premises. Then it’s time to move and use a new fake name and address after receiving that letter lol. I’ve always paid for “reshipping” services but I’m not entirely sure all of the sources I go through just say they do that and my info is carried on through customs

 

[Ghoul]

Did he say what was siezed? Raws? Finished oils? I’m curious how this new AI technology can identify drugs specifically raw powders when they’re labeled as something different. Also curious as someone who’s never received an FDA letter in the mail, what happens? They seize your package and flag your Name and address? What if it’s not in your name? If it’s paid in BTC can’t you just deny it was yours? I guess if they keep catching them and pull up the history that could warrant an automatic search warrant on the premises. Then it’s time to move and use a new fake name and address. Ive always paid for reshipping services but how can I know for sure all of my sources don’t actually really have my info taken on through customs. Stressful times

First of all an FDA letter means no controlled substances were involved. It's different from a CBP letter.

Secondly there's been no evidence a CBP letter has led to anything beyond.....a CBP letter. So you can relax.

However, it does go into CBPs intelligence database, and they will bring up those records in case of prosecution for manufacturing or sales. I've even seen court docs with outbound shipment records to an unnamed "analysis lab" outside the country used as evidence.

I'm not aware of any genuine "reshipping" services to the US lately (the last couple of years). The way bulk small pack shipments from China are handled requires the ultimate recipient to be declared to customs, and if a "reshipper" was the recipient, many packs containing controlled substances getting seized, all gong to the same place, would be very likely to get the attention of law enforcement in a way the occasional end user shipment seizure does not.

 

[Ghoul]

The end of de minimus, May 2, 2025.

TLDR:

-All packs from China and Hong Long will be assessed duties. 30% of the value of the package, or $25 per items going to $50 per item June 2nd.

-Highly detailed information regarding contents, shipper, and recipient will have to be given to CBP for every package. If anything is found to be falsified (like the pack actually contains drugs) significant fines will be imposed.

-Shipping companies will have to deposit large bonds with CBP to cover duties (and the large fines if contraband is found)

Further Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People's Republic of China as Applied to Low-Value Imports

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

The end of de minimus, May 2, 2025.

TLDR:

-All packs from China and Hong Long will be assessed duties. 30% of the value of the package, or $25 per items going to $50 per item June 2nd.

-Highly detailed information regarding contents, shipper, and recipient will have to be given to CBP for every package. If anything is found to be falsified (like the pack actually contains drugs) significant fines will be imposed.

-Shipping companies will have to deposit large bonds with CBP to cover duties (and the large fines if contraband is found)

View attachment 323593

Further Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People's Republic of China as Applied to Low-Value Imports

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency

www.whitehouse.gov

Is there any way around this? Or is just over.

 

[chyde14]

The end of de minimus, May 2, 2025.

TLDR:

-All packs from China and Hong Long will be assessed duties. 30% of the value of the package, or $25 per items going to $50 per item June 2nd.

-Highly detailed information regarding contents, shipper, and recipient will have to be given to CBP for every package. If anything is found to be falsified (like the pack actually contains drugs) significant fines will be imposed.

-Shipping companies will have to deposit large bonds with CBP to cover duties (and the large fines if contraband is found)

View attachment 323593

Further Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People's Republic of China as Applied to Low-Value Imports

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency

www.whitehouse.gov

So does this mean things are going to get worse?

 

[Ghoul]

Is there any way around this? Or is just over.

Supposedly CBP got intelligence Chinese contraband shippers were preparing to ship via Macao to dodge all this. They added a section to the order that says, essentially, if that happens, the same restrictions will be applied to packs from Macao.

The thing is, they don't need to inspect every package. They just need to make the pain ($$$) so bad for the shipping companies, no shipper will accept any packs from anyone they suspect is sending contraband, That's why CBP will require all that detailed data. So if they find scheduled drugs, they can point to all the false data on the customs paperwork and use that as the basis for large fines. I believe it's $10,000+ per violation.

IMO this route is done. They'll have to ship via a 3rd party country. Whether that works for long is another matter.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

Supposedly CBP got intelligence Chinese contraband shippers were preparing to ship via Macao to dodge all this. They added a section to the order that says, essentially, if that happens, the same restrictions will be applied to packs from Macao.

The thing is, they don't need to inspect every package. They just need to make the pain ($$$) so bad for the shipping companies, no shipper will accept any packs from anyone they suspect is sending contraband, That's why CBP will require all that detailed data. So if they find scheduled drugs, they can point to all the false data on the customs paperwork and use that as the basis for large fines. I believe it's $10,000+ per violation.

IMO this route is done. They'll have to ship via a 3rd party country. Whether that works for long is another matter.

Mexico?

 

[Ghoul]

Mexico?

No, a former Portuguese colony on a speck of land attached to China, somewhat independent of China but not a separate country.

Now one of the richest places in the world. A playground for wealthy Chinese.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/8WWHG6CEFJQ

 

[LGOP528]

The end of de minimus, May 2, 2025.

TLDR:

-All packs from China and Hong Long will be assessed duties. 30% of the value of the package, or $25 per items going to $50 per item June 2nd.

-Highly detailed information regarding contents, shipper, and recipient will have to be given to CBP for every package. If anything is found to be falsified (like the pack actually contains drugs) significant fines will be imposed.

-Shipping companies will have to deposit large bonds with CBP to cover duties (and the large fines if contraband is found)

View attachment 323593

Further Amendment to Duties Addressing the Synthetic Opioid Supply Chain in the People's Republic of China as Applied to Low-Value Imports

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency

www.whitehouse.gov

I would think peptides should still be able to get through because technically they are legal as research chemicals. Obviously just going to pay even more for shipping.

Sure that will not last long though. Pretty convenient that pharmaceuticals are exempt from all these tariffs that were added today.

 

[Ghoul]

I would think peptides should still be able to get through because technically they are legal as research chemicals. Obviously just going to pay even more for shipping.

Sure that will not last long though. Pretty convenient that pharmaceuticals are exempt from all these tariffs that were added today.

Peptides aren't illegal (except HGH), so as long as the paperwork is in order, and they aren't blatantly for human use (like including syringes or instructions for use), I'm pretty sure they'd have to pass a new law to stop them.

Plenty of legit lab supply companies in the US will sell you whatever peptide you want. You are allowed to be a "citizen scientist" and conduct experiments with any legal chemical.

https://www.medchemexpress.com/retatrutide.html

 

[LGOP528]

Peptides aren't illegal (except HGH), so as long as the paperwork is in order, and they aren't blatantly for human use (like including syringes or instructions for use), I'm pretty sure they'd have to pass a new law to stop them.

Plenty of legit lab supply companies in the US will sell you whatever peptide you want. You are allowed to be a "citizen scientist" and conduct experiments with any legal chemical.

https://www.medchemexpress.com/retatrutide.html

Would that get us around the compounding pharmacy issue with the GLP-1s?

I would imagine that would be all the reason they need to pass a new law. Can’t have big pharma losing money.

 

[Ghoul]

Would that get us around the compounding pharmacy issue with the GLP-1s?

I would imagine that would be all the reason they need to pass a new law. Can’t have big pharma losing money.

Successful pseudo-UGL US based peptide sellers like Peptide Science have only survived in the open for years because they are so strict with the "Not for human use policy.".

Email them with a question about how to reconstitute. or what dose to use, and you're instantly banned for life.

No way would normies be able to keep up the charade.

The sellers the FDA busted last year invariably slipped up when undercover agents would ask basic questions you'd expect a GLP user to ask, and the companies responded. Bam, in that instant, they want from legal chemical suppliers to lawbreaking sellers of unauthorized pharmaceuticals.

 

[Middus]

Twas good while it lasted...

 

[AlexDavis43]

Email them with a question about how to reconstitute. or what dose to use, and you're instantly banned for life.

Evidence? Who got banned for life

The sellers the FDA busted last year invariably slipped up when undercover agents would ask basic questions you'd expect a GLP user to ask, and the companies responded. Bam, in that instant, they want from legal chemical suppliers to lawbreaking sellers of unauthorized pharmaceuticals.

Evidence? Who got busted for this

You're just making shit up again & cherry-picking

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Evidence? Who got banned for life



Evidence? Who got busted for this

You're just making shit up again & cherry-picking

 

[urmumsurdad30]

Where there's money, the Chinese will always find a way.

China #1

 

[DonLigero]

Evidence? Who got banned for life



Evidence? Who got busted for this

You're just making shit up again & cherry-picking

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Former Connecticut Residents Charged with Operating Websites to Illegally Sell Misbranded and Unapproved Drugs

A federal grand jury in New Haven has returned an indictment charging RYAN FIELDS, 49, and LISA MAHAN, 53, of Port Neches, Texas, formerly of Glastonbury, Connecticut, with for illegally selling misbranded and unapproved prescription drugs.

www.justice.gov

 

[Middus]

Pinned Aminos

Former Connecticut Residents Charged with Operating Websites to Illegally Sell Misbranded and Unapproved Drugs

A federal grand jury in New Haven has returned an indictment charging RYAN FIELDS, 49, and LISA MAHAN, 53, of Port Neches, Texas, formerly of Glastonbury, Connecticut, with for illegally selling misbranded and unapproved prescription drugs.

www.justice.gov

Yeah, they went on facebook talking stupid stuff. pretty much like amino sellers go on reddit to sell their stuff too..

 

[Middus]

Where there's money, the Chinese will always find a way.

China #1

It's all about the profit margins.. lol. If it becomes unprofitable, it ceases to be 'money'