Superdrol and trenbolone

[Bullet train]

When i bulk I bring my test cyp up to 1000-1200mg per week and increase my HGH to 8iu per day. When im leaning out i taper the test cyp down to 200mg and run the equipose at 800-1000mg per week and taper the HGH down to between 4-6iu per day. And when im where i need to be months out from contest i then taper down EQ to 200mg with the test at 200mg, lower HGH at 2iu and add in 100mg proviron (50mg twice per day) to harden up. At 37 yrs old those are the only compounds im using. Dont get me wrong ive used everything under the sun throughout my 20s. But i feel now is not the time to be running tren, deca or toxic orals at this stage of my life.

Really great insight. Im also glad that your being smart about what your taking as you get older. Are you at all worried about insulin dependance, with HGH use. Correct me if I'm wrong, but HGH use does cause type 2 diabetes in many eventually. Or at least cause significant insulin insensitivity.

 

[musclemoose]

Really great insight. Im also glad that your being smart about what your taking as you get older. Are you at all worried about insulin dependance, with HGH use. Correct me if I'm wrong, but HGH use does cause type 2 diabetes in many eventually. Or at least cause significant insulin insensitivity.

After over a decade of HGH use and two decades of AAS my glucose upon waking after fasting is like 102-106 consistently and has been like that for as far back as i can remember. Nothing to cause concern. Id only worry if it was over 120 upon waking after fasting. And i know others will say anything over 100 is pre-diabetes. Well thats BS. If you have a physician that truly looks out for your best interest he will tell you the truth that its really over 120 fasting that is cause for concern. But other docs will look to put you on meds with any reading over 100 to fatten their pockets. Prediabetes and Diabetes is huge business. Especially for medicare and medicaid payments. They want your business.

From trusted physician:

I consider an optimum average blood sugar to be right around 100. Fluctuation over the course of the day should be relatively modest, from about 80 at the low end to about 120 at the high end. These are not recommendations made by an advisory group within conventional medicine, they are the numbers that I have found to be clinically relevant in my practice.

Blood sugar values between 80 and 120 provide optimum levels of fuel for the brain and body tissues and almost never result in blood sugar related symptoms. Values below 80 can leave the brain with inadequate fuel and lead to fatigue, foggy thinking, irritability and tremor. I have also found that truly healthy individuals who are physically well conditioned rarely have blood sugar readings above 120, even after a high carbohydrate meal. This translates to an average blood sugar of about 100

 

[Xlgx]

For the older and health concerned. Is there any dosage of tren that’s somewhat safer ? I know everyone is different. But say 100-300mg per week? Worth it ?

 

[musclemoose]

For the older and health concerned. Is there any dosage of tren that’s somewhat safer ? I know everyone is different. But say 100-300mg per week? Worth it ?

Think about this. Tren is 5 times stronger than testosterone (so 200-300mg tren is like taking 1000-1500mg test). And tren has worse sides of any injectible compound ive ever come across. if your concerned about health just run 600-1000mg of test a week and you'll have none of the tren sides and be much happier with the long term results.

 

[Docd187123]

Think about this. Tren is 5 times stronger than testosterone (so 200-300mg tren is like taking 1000-1500mg test).

That's not accurate.

 

[musclemoose]

That's not accurate.

yeah your right. its probably 10x stronger because on 300-400mg a week my lipids were destroyed, my bp was through the roof, i sweat like im breaking a fever all night and my blood work looked like i was a walking corpse just waiting to drop from organ failure. so 5x as strong is probably conservative.

 

[Docd187123]

yeah your right. its probably 10x stronger because on 300-400mg a week my lipids were destroyed, my bp was through the roof, i sweat like im breaking a fever all night and my blood work looked like i was a walking corpse just waiting to drop from organ failure. so 5x as strong is probably conservative.

Every steroid affects lipids differently. You cannot judge the strength based on how it affects lipid and BP

 

[musclemoose]

Every steroid affects lipids differently. You cannot judge the strength based on how it affects lipid and BP

[3] Cardiovascular:
The possible cardiovascular side effects of Trenbolone Enanthate are by far the most concerning. Cardiovascular issues can directly and negatively affect your health. The primary area of concern will surround cholesterol. Tren can increased LDL cholesterol (bad cholesterol) levels and suppress/reduce HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol) levels. This cholesterol strain should not be as strong as many oral steroids, but potentially more severe than most injectable steroids.

 

[Wunderpus]

Lean mass accrual just doesn't happen that quickly for it to make sense to use something harsh like Tren or even harsher like Sdrol.

Test, Deca, Dbol, Drol will put muscle on you at the fastest rate possible. Control your calorie intake carefully and prepare for a looooong, slow, steady bulk. That's what puts muscle on people.

Forget about harsh stuff like Tren or Sdrol for growing, just no need at all.

The old faithful test, deca, dbol/drol and maybe primo or mast is the "best" combo around... IF it were me, I would run more compounds at lower dosages, than 1 or 2 at higher dosages... Not that I use steroids, but, if I did...

 

[Docd187123]

[3] Cardiovascular:
The possible cardiovascular side effects of Trenbolone Enanthate are by far the most concerning. Cardiovascular issues can directly and negatively affect your health. The primary area of concern will surround cholesterol. Tren can increased LDL cholesterol (bad cholesterol) levels and suppress/reduce HDL cholesterol (good cholesterol) levels. This cholesterol strain should not be as strong as many oral steroids, but potentially more severe than most injectable steroids.

Not sure why you posted that excerpt bc it has zero relevance to our conversation. Besides, the misspelling and reference to good and bad cholesterol makes me think it was written by someone worth ignoring.

 

[Wunderpus]

Not sure why you posted that excerpt bc it has zero relevance to our conversation. Besides, the misspelling and reference to good and bad cholesterol makes me think it was written by someone worth ignoring.

This excerpt was written on this very computer... Top of the line tech and science was used...

 

[musclemoose]

Not sure why you posted that excerpt bc it has zero relevance to our conversation. Besides, the misspelling and reference to good and bad cholesterol makes me think it was written by someone worth ignoring.

You said every 'Every steroid affects lipids differently". So how was what i posted not relevant to the conversation. States in what i posted that you are in fact correct. Tren is potentially more severe than most injectable steroids.

 

[Ironlyfe80]

I have bloods from the start of a tren run and the end, and my lipids actually approved. Not that they were good, but better than before.

 

[Docd187123]

You said every 'Every steroid affects lipids differently". So how was what i posted not relevant to the conversation. States in what i posted that you are in fact correct. Tren is potentially more severe than most injectable steroids.

You are forgetting the context. I said all steroids affect lipids differently AND NOT TO JUDGE THE STRENGTH OF THE STEROID BY HOW IT AFFECTS YIUR LIPIDS.

I do agree that tren can wreak havoc on lipids for some ppl. It doesn't affect mine all that much though.

 

[stevonov]

I never had problems regulating blood sugar until a few tren cycles. A few times I must have nicked a vein and ended up in the ER with acute pancreatitis just from getting some of it in my blood stream. Maybe the pancrease damage is why I have high fasting blood sugar and bouts of low blood sugar. but I link it all directly to tren.

 

[MoneyShot]

This thread is meant to discuss whether tren or sdrol would be better for dry lean body mass cycle gains...

With also a focus on health, and taking gains vs side effects fully into account. Which would you choose, And why?

Tren without a doubt

I'd do both personally. SD about 4 weeks @20-30mg and tren 10-12 weeks @350-500mg depending on sides, experience, and what works best for you

 

[Roger rabbit]

I never had problems regulating blood sugar until a few tren cycles. A few times I must have nicked a vein and ended up in the ER with acute pancreatitis just from getting some of it in my blood stream. Maybe the pancrease damage is why I have high fasting blood sugar and bouts of low blood sugar. but I link it all directly to tren.

More than likely it wasn't from hitting a vein. The "tren" cough can happen with many steroids or injectable medications/drugs without even hitting a vein.. especially acetate versions. ( many feel the cough comes from hitting a vein)

But if I'm not mistaken.. high triglyceride levels can cause pancrease damage... seeing that you ran tren a few times and tren known for really screwing the lipid profile up.... the high triglycerides would probably be more of the cause. ( not saying tren in it self isn't helping the situation) but tren indirectly raising the triglycerides is probably the culprit.

Have you had any blood work to ensure everything has came down concerning lipids etc?

But with pancreas damage your ability to absorb minerals could be hindered, so id keep an eye on the minerals in your body through testing once in a while.

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[Ray9]

Wanting to try sdrol out, how does the strength and size gains compare to dbol or drol? And people say they feel like shit? In what way? Heartburn headache fatigue?

 

[stevonov]

hey roger thanks for the insight lipids always way out of wack and I will check minerals but I would literally take a shot of tren immediately get extreme pain in stomach and the ER tests would show elevated pancreas enzymes and they would starve me for two days. happened with two different batches on three different occasions. Ill pM you some more details more help would be great.

 

[Apexvallen]

I've never used Sdrol.

But Tren isn't a grower in my experience. Lean bulk or otherwise. If I wanted to use Tren in a growth cycle I'd have to anchor it with one of the big two growers, Test or Deca.

Test 250
Tren 250
Deca 600

Or

Test 500
Tren 250
Mast 250

Well duh.. who would take tren without test.