SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[guearyt]

I train for hypertrophy, so way more bodybuilding as opposed to strength/powerlifting. But I try and do 1-2 Super heavy sets in the 5-6 rep range every for my compounds. But for the most part I hover in that 8-15 rep range. As far as esters, I prefer longer esters just because I can not pin every other day. The only short ester I have ever ran was Test P. Other than that, I’m always on longer esters. But, if you’re the type of person that can deal with pinning every other day, then go for it my guy. But as BBBG said, if you’re going to run EQ, you’ll need Deca as opposed to NPP[/QUOTE

EQ is usually for longer cycles so you would use deca instead of NPP unless you can find Bold Cyp.

EQ is slow and doesn’t give that instant sense of satisfaction but it does give a certain “look”. My delts puffed up and rounded out nicely. Other than that, it gave me a little anxiety that wasn’t bad. It can give anxiety to some.

Tren is a bitch but I always find myself saying “hmmmm.... and... a little tren” for every cycle. It really isn’t too bad below 300 mg/week and when used as an auxiliary compound to another compound that you’re running at a higher dose. I like high test and just a little Tren for example. But if your a different person on it, it’s definitely not worth it. This stuff is supposed to enhance our lives, not ruin them!

For additional knowledge, would it not be preferable to run the NPP for bodybuilding Connor? The short esters have a place.
And for bodybuilding, why not EQ with NPP?

Big, thanks for the explanation. Strength and Power. I understand and agree 100%.

But for BB, I use short esters in place of orals. Pinning ED or EOD, so what. Something to do. I do find Proviron and Var beneficial for their reasons. When broken down into Pros and Cons, most all cmpds have their individual strengths and weaknesses.

 

[cochino]

I doubt Symsym bailed. He just bought a bunch of raws.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Refilter into 100ml jugs is still the best idea I’ve heard without having to throw gear away. I don’t remember who brought it up. But I thought they were on to something.

That was me. I should charge Sym for these ideas.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

For additional knowledge, would it not be preferable to run the NPP for bodybuilding Connor? The short esters have a place.
And for bodybuilding, why not EQ with NPP?

Big, thanks for the explanation. Strength and Power. I understand and agree 100%.

But for BB, I use short esters in place of orals. Pinning ED or EOD, so what. Something to do. I do find Proviron and Var beneficial for their reasons. When broken down into Pros and Cons, most all cmpds have their individual strengths and weaknesses.

If you’re running a 14-16 week EQ cycle I doubt you want to pin NPP ED or EoD for that long.

Now we can get back into an argument about NPP vs Deca. It’s the same compound, just attached to a different time release ester is all.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Seems like he has bailed

Isnt he usually inactive past thursdays?

 

[Mdrock98]

Isnt he usually inactive past thursdays?

Oh yeah.. forgot.

 

[Akimopio]

Isnt he usually inactive past thursdays?

Yea he doesn’t respond to emails or on here during the weekends, so we will see on Monday or tuesday

 

[amtont]

Keep us posted if he actually replaces the vials. Hopefully he doesn’t just ship you vials that he already said he won’t re-filter [emoji2359]

Last email communique with him was 2 days ago. Not convinced that he bailed.
I do intend to refilter recent receipts.

I doubt Symsym bailed. He just bought a bunch of raws.

Just info for those who are interested. I don't think that he has bailed. Last I spoke to him via email was 3 days ago and he said that he had ordered new vials and had to brew new batches of compounds, then put them in the new vials and label them. He said that this would take him about 10-14 days, and to be in touch with him then. He also said that he would post here once this had been completed.

He seemed fairly intent on "making things right" for those who were affected. I did notice that and he posted here that it was taking him longer than usual to reply to emails presumably due to the volume he was receiving.

I think it is good to get this thread back focused on the source or at least gear related topics as opposed to some bum who in his own words doesn't care if he lives in his van because he gets no pussy, yet will come in this thread claiming to fuck the most bitches. Im no Harvard math major but just doesn't add up.

On that note. This is just info that I know to hopefully help ease some peoples minds who were affected.Regardless of how anyone feels about the source I think as fellow members we would all like to see everyone be taken care of in a manner they are pleased with. From my conversation with Sym I believe he fully intends to do that.

 

[JC Grifter]

Just info for those who are interested. I don't think that he has bailed. Last I spoke to him via email was 3 days ago and he said that he had ordered new vials and had to brew new batches of compounds, then put them in the new vials and label them. He said that this would take him about 10-14 days, and to be in touch with him then. He also said that he would post here once this had been completed.

He seemed fairly intent on "making things right" for those who were affected. I did notice that and he posted here that it was taking him longer than usual to reply to emails presumably due to the volume he was receiving.

I think it is good to get this thread back focused on the source or at least gear related topics as opposed to some bum who in his own words doesn't care if he lives in his van because he gets no pussy, yet will come in this thread claiming to fuck the most bitches. Im no Harvard math major but just doesn't add up.

On that note. This is just info that I know to hopefully help ease some peoples minds who were affected.Regardless of how anyone feels about the source I think as fellow members we would all like to see everyone be taken care of in a manner they are pleased with. From my conversation with Sym I believe he fully intends to do that.

Thanks for the update!

 

[amtont]

Thanks for the update!

No problem. Had been avoiding this thread, but now that Dianabol Van Boy is gone. Can resume somewhat useful discussions that actually somewhat pertain to the source. LOL

 

[guearyt]

If you’re running a 14-16 week EQ cycle I doubt you want to pin NPP ED or EoD for that long.

Now we can get back into an argument about NPP vs Deca. It’s the same compound, just attached to a different time release ester is all.

I have pinned NPP with EQ for 6 months straight along with test c and HGH with insulin. (I have read several places that pinning EQ M-W-F is most beneficial at doses of 100mg each and a minimum of 12 weeks before actually "seeing" results). I usually "see" positive changes in vascularity after just a week or two. Strength begins an upward spiral about as quick also. For me, the NPP kicks from first injection even at low doses.

It's my preference. I like the quick response I suppose. I replace all the shorts with longs toward cycles end. 4 to 8 more weeks. Then cruise with the longs.

Everyone is without a doubt, different in their responses. My responses to many cmpds are somewhat weird.

I hope I didn't spark a debate. I didn't want to. Just sharing some fond experiences.

 

[Blange89]

EQ is usually for longer cycles so you would use deca instead of NPP unless you can find Bold Cyp.

EQ is slow and doesn’t give that instant sense of satisfaction but it does give a certain “look”. My delts puffed up and rounded out nicely. Other than that, it gave me a little anxiety that wasn’t bad. It can give anxiety to some.

Tren is a bitch but I always find myself saying “hmmmm.... and... a little tren” for every cycle. It really isn’t too bad below 300 mg/week and when used as an auxiliary compound to another compound that you’re running at a higher dose. I like high test and just a little Tren for example. But if your a different person on it, it’s definitely not worth it. This stuff is supposed to enhance our lives, not ruin them!

Yeah I'm tempted to try this next run but in really digging primo right now.

 

[stevonov]

I’d rather pay almost double from Nandro than buy from Sym again [emoji23]

thought they just found a floater in nandros stuff

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Someone else mentioned the idea of new vials with new color stoppers, labels ect. That’s the only way we’d know for sure. Or at least have confidence he did re-filter.

@DrinkFlintWater mentioned new vials and stoppers/labels
Basically to show he was actually refiltering and not just fucking us off


I think that's the best idea I've seen to date for a solution to Syms issue

 

[Brawny]

Someone else mentioned the idea of new vials with new color stoppers, labels ect. That’s the only way we’d know for sure. Or at least have confidence he did re-filter.

It’s difficult to have confidence in someone who repeatedly said they wouldn’t. Then when they realized a few of the members wouldn’t budge, they begrudgingly decided to replace all of their current inventory.

He said he was going to keep all that gear for personal use. But didn’t he say he’d gone through 600+ vials of NPP alone and that wasn’t even ten percent of his stock?

So he’s going to use 6000 vials of gear for personal use?

And someone just received a pack today? With a 5 day turnaround? What happened to no orders for two weeks until he replenished his stock?

 

[Oldschool]

It’s difficult to have confidence in someone who repeatedly said they wouldn’t. Then when they realized a few of the members wouldn’t budge, they begrudgingly decided to replace all of their current inventory.

He said he was going to keep all that gear for personal use. But didn’t he say he’d gone through 600+ vials of NPP alone and that wasn’t even ten percent of his stock?

So he’s going to use 6000 vials of gear for personal use?

And someone just received a pack today? With a 5 day turnaround? What happened to no orders for two weeks until he replenished his stock?

Excellent points and welcome back. You came back swinging. He might put it in new /different vials but he won’t filter it. There will be a new lab here in a few weeks. Maybe longer to let things die down but that gear will be pedaled on here again.

 

[JC Grifter]

It’s difficult to have confidence in someone who repeatedly said they wouldn’t. Then when they realized a few of the members wouldn’t budge, they begrudgingly decided to replace all of their current inventory.

He said he was going to keep all that gear for personal use. But didn’t he say he’d gone through 600+ vials of NPP alone and that wasn’t even ten percent of his stock?

So he’s going to use 6000 vials of gear for personal use?

And someone just received a pack today? With a 5 day turnaround? What happened to no orders for two weeks until he replenished his stock?

Yeah that’s an issue for you. You bring up a great point. He refused so many times

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Someone else mentioned the idea of new vials with new color stoppers, labels ect. That’s the only way we’d know for sure. Or at least have confidence he did re-filter.

The new vials are pre sterilized according to what he claimed.

No flip caps and there should be a noticeable hole in the stopper from filling and possibly one from venting.

Unless he plans to disassemble each vial and replace the foil ring and cap?

Sym is now the new Big Bear Labs.

 

[JC Grifter]

The new vials are pre sterilized according to what he claimed.

No flip caps and there should be a noticeable hole in the stopper from filling and possibly one from venting.

Unless he plans to disassemble each vial and replace the foil ring and cap?

Sym is now the new Big Bear Labs.

Dude I totally had a Big Bear Labs flashback [emoji23]

 

[Grab Bag]

If you’re running a 14-16 week EQ cycle I doubt you want to pin NPP ED or EoD for that long.

Now we can get back into an argument about NPP vs Deca. It’s the same compound, just attached to a different time release ester is all.

Can you also mention to this guy that he should not be taking advice from the resident “I can’t grow on a gram of gear” darkweb master @Connor 25257