T3 usage, results and concerns

[T-Bagger]

I’m considering using T3 along with liquid Albuterol (injectable) and a TRT dosage of Cyp. I’ve read a lot of people singing the praises of T3, but knowing that it’s a thyroid med, can anyone shed some light on any dangers of taking it? Will it kill my thyroid? Anyone use it with bad sides?

 

[fodsod]

i would add in metformin to an already strict caloric deficit...

Metformin or Berbarine both do have their place in a cutting diet unless your running really low carb or keto but all they really do is remove sugar from your blood. If you aren't taking in a lot of carbs they aren't really needed.

I tend to use them in a carb cycling approach where on your re-feed or high days you use them to help manage any miscalculation in the amount of carbs you take in. If you take in too much then they help remove that extra blood sugar to help avoid it being stored a fat.

 

[T-Bagger]

I appreciate all the advice. I think I’ll take my fat ass back to the gym and just go Keto and then hit my next cycle.

 

[T-Bagger]

T3 - liothyronine sodium (cytomel)

Much appreciated. If you don’t mind answering a question for me? I had someone at the gym say if I were to run just Test at 750 mg/week, the fat would just melt off. I find this hard to believe, but is there any truth to Test at that dosage aiding immensely in fat burn with proper diet and exercise? My last cycle I ran 500 mg/wk and exercise was on point and diet was good - not great and I burned fat fairly well.

 

[fodsod]

Much appreciated. If you don’t mind answering a question for me? I had someone at the gym say if I were to run just Test at 750 mg/week, the fat would just melt off. I find this hard to believe, but is there any truth to Test at that dosage aiding immensely in fat burn with proper diet and exercise? My last cycle I ran 500 mg/wk and exercise was on point and diet was good - not great and I burned fat fairly well.

No, test will not directly contribute to your fat loss and will NOT just melt the fat off at any dosage. The indirect mechanism is the test will help build muscle that will increase your body's daily caloric needs and therefore you burn more calories daily. Plus it takes more energy to get that muscle moving so again more calories burned.

There is no way around needing a well designed eating schedule that puts you into a deficit or doing the work to burn enough calories that you're in a deficit to lose body fat. PEDs only assist/speed up this process.

Even DNP requires one to maintain their diet. GH is the closest thing to a fat burning PED that someone could use and still eat poorly part of the time. It's expensive to run at doses that would allow that behavior and unless you're in low double digit to single digit BF levels that's a waste of time and money also.


Set up the diet and do the work man. Leave the quick fixes and fantasies of a magic pill to the other guys. Spend the money on a good coach and let them do the math for you and hold you accountable. The money would be better spent there than on PEDs at this time in your situation.

 

[T-Bagger]

No, test will not directly contribute to your fat loss and will NOT just melt the fat off at any dosage. The indirect mechanism is the test will help build muscle that will increase your body's daily caloric needs and therefore you burn more calories daily. Plus it takes more energy to get that muscle moving so again more calories burned.

There is no way around needing a well designed eating schedule that puts you into a deficit or doing the work to burn enough calories that you're in a deficit to lose body fat. PEDs only assist/speed up this process.

Even DNP requires one to maintain their diet. GH is the closest thing to a fat burning PED that someone could use and still eat poorly part of the time. It's expensive to run at doses that would allow that behavior and unless you're in low double digit to single digit BF levels that's a waste of time and money also.


Set up the diet and do the work man. Leave the quick fixes and fantasies of a magic pill to the other guys. Spend the money on a good coach and let them do the math for you and hold you accountable. The money would be better spent there than on PEDs at this time in your situation.

I had a strong feeling dude was full of crap but figured I’d ask anyway. And you’re right - I’m saving my money to do it right. Again, all your advice is appreciated.

 

[master.on]

Much appreciated on the advice. Diet has been the hardest thing for me.

T3 MAY allow you to be a bit sloppy on diet, yet lose weight.
For me, I actually eat MORE while on T3 lol. OTOH it makes me much more productive at work.

I appreciate the info. I’m worried about it permanently screwing up my thyroid for some reason. I was given the advice to run it starting at 25 mcg, going up to 100 mcg.

Why do you suggest leaving Clen or Albuterol out of a T3 cycle? I was told if anything, the Albuterol/Lipo combo is more of an energy boost with mild fat burning capabilities.

Clen works great. Burns fat yet doesn't seem to burn muscle. Too bad it only works for 2 weeks.
So I'd use clen for 2 weeks, then T3 for 4 weeks.
Idk where are you located, but some T3 can help you with winter temps.

T3, Clen and Albuterol all effect your heart. Combining them in higher doses increases the risk of cardiac issues. I can’t say I know anyone that has had an issue but the chances are there.

This is the most worrisome risk, especially for fatty or older guys.
Clen and Albuterol are much more cardiac-risky than T3.

Start slow. Split a 25 mcg tab during the day.
Always split dosages AT LEAST 3x during the day.
IMO 50 mcg is about the limit where you start burning just TOO MUCH muscle, so it might be better to do a longer lasting but lower dosage T3 cycle.
Buy TOP QUALITY t3 preferably PHARMA. It is measured in MICROgrams (1 mcg is 1/1000th of a mg!) so you need a properly dosed product for safety.

Metformin or Berbarine both do have their place in a cutting diet unless your running really low carb or keto but all they really do is remove sugar from your blood. If you aren't taking in a lot of carbs they aren't really needed.

I tend to use them in a carb cycling approach where on your re-feed or high days you use them to help manage any miscalculation in the amount of carbs you take in. If you take in too much then they help remove that extra blood sugar to help avoid it being stored a fat.

I'm cautious about Metformin.
It seems to actually REDUCE respiration
Respiration (physiology) - Wikipedia
thus making your metabolism much more inefficient
Many diabetic doctors I've met say long term Metformin slows down metabolism, despite normal thyroid tests.

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

To my knowledge there are no official studies to support either approach (stopping verses tapering) with consideration for the way someone would be taking T3 for fat loss. Only personal experiences and bro science. If the information is out there I'm sure someone will post it for us.

Obviously you have the amount of T3 that naturally occurs in your body and once you've introduce exogenous T3 that amount is either shut down or down regulated in your body's attempt to maintain homeostasis.

So the discussion always comes back to how much to take to exceed your normally produced amount to get the desired results, how much suppression occurs at that dose and how long once it's stopped before you return to your natural levels.

If you go up to a really high dose then some tapering would be advisable as the exogenous dose is perhaps 2-4 times (or more) the level you naturally produce. So in theory you'd like to get back to as close to your natural level as possible before coming off.

Tapering off below the level you'd naturally be at would put you in a state where your levels are essentially suppressed compared to your natural levels. Therefore you're functioning below your natural level during that time and during the time your body is attempting to return to it's natural levels once you're actually off the T3. Personally, I'd rather be in the deficit for a shorter time and come off at a slightly elevated dose then ride out the suppressed phase (1-2 weeks) continuing the diet to maintain the progress made.

This is basically the same scenario you see when competitors finish a show and binge eat for a few weeks afterward. The metabolism is slowed to a crawl from the diet and /or T3/ fat burner usage and then an introduction of added calories equals body fat being stored.

Very informative post, i appreciate that, thank you bro!