Test E / Primo E Ratio

[KitaGains]

About 2 months in running 300mg test e and 200mg primo e every 3 days.

No AI or SERMS were taken within 3 weeks of this lab result.

I started taking 20mg Tamoxifen EOD because I feel the gyno symptoms, i've had surgery before as well so it's crazy this low ass E2 is still trying to develop gyno.

I need to get my progesterone leveled too but will introduce P5P based on what that is.

Should I introduce .5mg adex EOD or would that potentially crash my E2?



Any advice or recommendations are appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[Monksterbate714]

I would think you would want to take the Tamox ED for blood lvls to stay consistent, half in the morning and half in the evening (since it has ~12 hr half life). It works great for gyno. As far as your E2 goes I take Aromasin 12.5mg EOD or you could take Adex which I don't have experience with, maybe others can chime in.

 

[Davidinovg]

Your E2 levels look good, I would not add any AI.

Which symptoms do you have? Are you sure you are not just panicking?

 

[Grey Spartan]

Should I introduce .5mg adex EOD or would that potentially crash my E2?

For me it would crash my e2. Example, my e2 was 51 so I took .5 mg adex Monday and Thursday and it brought it down to 27.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Could just be in your head. I just doubt you're getting gyno with an e2 that low and test/primo aren't screwing up your progesterone. P5p will be a waste regardless. Puffy nipples can be normal on cycle and not gyno. What do you feel that leads you to believe it's gyno? And consider raloxifene over tamoxifen. Your proposed dose of arimidex is pretty high

 

[KitaGains]

Your E2 levels look good, I would not add any AI.

Which symptoms do you have? Are you sure you are not just panicking?

I’ve had surgery before so I’m pretty sure it’s the symptoms and not fear. Felt exactly how it did the first time it developed. Been like 6 years since first surgery and this is the first time I’ve cycled more than 300mg test a week since.

 

[Eddie.]

I can't understand how it's possible to have gyno symptoms with an e2 of 38. Also, i've seen many people who remove gyno to let e2 go high, since they don't care about it unless other symptoms like acne, bloat etc occur. I'd suggest to check prolactin and progesterone and if they're in range then i believe it's in your head.

 

[KitaGains]

I can't understand how it's possible to have gyno symptoms with an e2 of 38. Also, i've seen many people who remove gyno to let e2 go high, since they don't care about it unless other symptoms like acne, bloat etc occur. I'd suggest to check prolactin and progesterone and if they're in range then i believe it's in your head.

Will do, I’ve started lactating again at these levels so it’s definitely not in my head. Thanks.

 

[tcri]

Will do, I’ve started lactating again at these levels so it’s definitely not in my head. Thanks.

Seen to always get gyno symptoms at acting over trt even with dht's added. Prolactin and such have been in range. So, I understand. I will prob everyday get the surgery. Have had sought gunk since high school. Only noticeable to me really, but the tenderness is problematic.

 

[malfeasance]

I’ve started lactating again

Damn

 

[cornsyrup12]

I heard that most people run Test/Primo 1:1 without high AI, is going 250/250 an option here? It'll take a while for E2 to come down changing the dose like this, but careful dosing of AI can get you through the near term...

 

[KitaGains]

I heard that most people run Test/Primo 1:1 without high AI, is going 250/250 an option here? It'll take a while for E2 to come down changing the dose like this, but careful dosing of AI can get you through the near term...

Gonna lower dose to 250mg test e and keep primo e at 200mg every 3 days and will post a new estradiol lab in a few weeks.

Probably gonna run .5mg every 3 days for 2 weeks with 20mg nolvadex every day until lower test dose stabalizes.

Weird because my progesterone is in range too, my body is just hyper sensitive with gyno, i've had surgery once, might need it again. Assuming the surgeon was too hesitant with what he removed, dude kept saying he was afraid my nipples would die if he removed 100% of the gland.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

I run 2:1. Primo does make me very aggressive in comparison to just trt. Something I've recently noticed even at trt doses. Temper is very short.

 

[Eddie.]

I run 2:1. Primo does make me very aggressive in comparison to just trt. Something I've recently noticed even at trt doses. Temper is very short.

Weird, since it's not highly androgenic. Perhaps it reduces too much your e2 and that makes your temper short, or it just raises enough your free test replicating a higher test dose symptoms, or both lol

 

[KitaGains]

Weird, since it's not highly androgenic. Perhaps it reduces too much your e2 and that makes your temper short, or it just raises enough your free test replicating a higher test dose symptoms, or both lol

That's what I'm thinking, I would get bloodwork done on E2 levels, could have short temper from too low of a level.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

I do get bloods. This is a dialed in trt that I tried for about 1.5 year. 1:1 did not work for me. Bloods look good but my personality is different on it. I'm debating to not run it unless in a cycle. I respond very well otherwise..... wife notices it, I started to as well..

 

[Rez.]

I do get bloods. This is a dialed in trt that I tried for about 1.5 year. 1:1 did not work for me. Bloods look good but my personality is different on it. I'm debating to not run it unless in a cycle. I respond very well otherwise..... wife notices it, I started to as well..

I started trt March this year and decided to try adding primo at 1:1 (190mg for both). Noticed a rise in aggression within a few days of the Primo injection.

All the classic low E2 signs, joint pain, anxiety, no morning wood etc. So stopped the Primo.

Wasn't snapping at the mrs but threw a few cushions around the condo.

Started a cycle afterwards with 420mg Test E and added 336mg Primo (1:0.8) 80% and it feels perfect.

e2 was high 30's so added 6.25mg Aromasin ed which has placed my e2 now in the high 20's.

6 weeks in and feeling amazing.

I guess it depends how strong the Primobolon is. In future I'll start primo off at (1:0.7) 70% then raise up to 80% if all is good.

I personally won't risk 1:1 again especially if just on trt.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Wasn't snapping at the mrs but threw a few cushions around the condo.

LOL! I can picture this in my head.