Test levels for 52 year old

[Ankle pick]

Greetings I’m a 52 year old male wondering if someone could direct me to or explain these test levels at my age? I ran orals “ back in the day” and considering a recomp. Don’t know if Inwnat to fuck up my test yet for TRT , maybe 2ius HGH . Any help appreciated
AP

 

[amindzeye]

My natural total t was a 580 and my free was 100. After my first cycle, my total was 611 and free was 86. I'm 18 years younger than you. So I'd say you're fine. At your age though, I wouldn't care, and blast and cruise.

 

[WannaBeBIG]

Man I was 24 with test levels not even a third of what you have. Been on trt now for a long time.

Honestly if you feel good and recover well from the gym still and don’t have issues with muscle loss I would steer away from trt for now until you either start developing issues of low test or want a physical boost by looking more muscular

The devil on my shoulder wants you to blast and cruise though

 

[Ankle pick]

My natural total t was a 580 and my free was 100. After my first cycle, my total was 611 and free was 86. I'm 18 years younger than you. So I'd say you're fine. At your age though, I wouldn't care, and blast and cruise.

Love your attitude my ,an and your thoughts thank you.

 

[Ankle pick]

Man I was 24 with test levels not even a third of what you have. Been on trt now for a long time.

Honestly if you feel good and recover well from the gym still and don’t have issues with muscle loss I would steer away from trt for now until you either start developing issues of low test or want a physical boost by looking more muscular

The devil on my shoulder wants you to blast and cruise though

I’m coming off of 3 hip replacements so I’ve lost a lot of muscle - some due to infection eats muscle. That’s two blast and cruise ; thanks brotherZ

 

[Ankle pick]

What are recommendations for a blast; test , deca Eq? I have some old pharma blue dianabol 10s; test E some var and 3 high kits

 

[WannaBeBIG]

What are recommendations for a blast; test , deca Eq? I have some old pharma blue dianabol 10s; test E some var and 3 high kits

So the general consensus is usually not to run deca at older ages unless two scenarios. One is you can run Deca if you're blasting and cruising since its a long ester and would hamper natural production recovery if you were cycling off and on. This isn't an issue if you blast and cruise at trt dosages. The second is running Deca at lower doses say 100mg/week for improvement in joint hydration where the dose being lower you could bear coming off and recovery would be a lot quicker than waiting for 500mg/wk to clear your system.

If you're familiar with Deca I would blast/cruise and run it at higher doses around 4-500mg/week since it's such a good mass builder and would absolutely aid you in recovering some of the muscle lost by your surgeries in my opinion.

I always use and recommend Test as the base of a cycle and have simply used 500mg/week as the base of all my previous cycles so I've become familiar with how it affects me. I've become biased to thinking 500mg is a pretty decent starting point but in recent years I have come to believe that gains are still very possible at lower doses say 300mg/week. I also believe that picking the lowest effective dose is worthwhile.

For your first blast I think you could stack Test, Deca and Eq but honestly I would pick one and run it with test and save the other for your second blast to see how they affect you differently. I think it's pretty easy to fall into the trap of running multiple compounds simultaneously and issues that pop up can be complicated since you have less of an idea what compound is causing the issue. For this reason I would also hold off on using your Dbol until you've done one or 2 blasts and have built back an appreciable amount of muscle where at that point a bulking steroid like dbol could be effective. Personally never used orals so I can't comment on personal experience with the compounds but Dbol being so popular I would also say a test/dbol first blast would be very effective too. If your liver is good and you can abstain from alcohol for 8 weeks I would do test for 12 weeks @500mg/wk and dbol for the first 8 weeks of a blast at 20 or 40mg/day.

Using Hgh during your blast and using it until they run out for longer than the cycle could aid in recovery and new tissue formation. I would run it at 4iu/day and there is a lot of information you can glean from others' previous hgh cycles on this forum you can search and read through.

I hope this helps as you mull over your options. Don't be afraid to ask many questions since this is a harm reduction board and every member would rather assist you on this journey than scold you on the repercussions of a failed cycle

 

[Habib]

Test is looking low. Even at your age you should be in the 600ish range. Try TRT

 

[Ankle pick]

I think I’m at 630?

 

[Ankle pick]

So the general consensus is usually not to run deca at older ages unless two scenarios. One is you can run Deca if you're blasting and cruising since its a long ester and would hamper natural production recovery if you were cycling off and on. This isn't an issue if you blast and cruise at trt dosages. The second is running Deca at lower doses say 100mg/week for improvement in joint hydration where the dose being lower you could bear coming off and recovery would be a lot quicker than waiting for 500mg/wk to clear your system.

If you're familiar with Deca I would blast/cruise and run it at higher doses around 4-500mg/week since it's such a good mass builder and would absolutely aid you in recovering some of the muscle lost by your surgeries in my opinion.

I always use and recommend Test as the base of a cycle and have simply used 500mg/week as the base of all my previous cycles so I've become familiar with how it affects me. I've become biased to thinking 500mg is a pretty decent starting point but in recent years I have come to believe that gains are still very possible at lower doses say 300mg/week. I also believe that picking the lowest effective dose is worthwhile.

For your first blast I think you could stack Test, Deca and Eq but honestly I would pick one and run it with test and save the other for your second blast to see how they affect you differently. I think it's pretty easy to fall into the trap of running multiple compounds simultaneously and issues that pop up can be complicated since you have less of an idea what compound is causing the issue. For this reason I would also hold off on using your Dbol until you've done one or 2 blasts and have built back an appreciable amount of muscle where at that point a bulking steroid like dbol could be effective. Personally never used orals so I can't comment on personal experience with the compounds but Dbol being so popular I would also say a test/dbol first blast would be very effective too. If your liver is good and you can abstain from alcohol for 8 weeks I would do test for 12 weeks @500mg/wk and dbol for the first 8 weeks of a blast at 20 or 40mg/day.

Using Hgh during your blast and using it until they run out for longer than the cycle could aid in recovery and new tissue formation. I would run it at 4iu/day and there is a lot of information you can glean from others' previous hgh cycles on this forum you can search and read through.

I hope this helps as you mull over your options. Don't be afraid to ask many questions since this is a harm reduction board and every member would rather assist you on this journey than scold you on the repercussions of a failed cycle

Great information and thank you for taking such time to respond . I have a bunch of questions and will get back with you thanks again

 

[Ankle pick]

So the general consensus is usually not to run deca at older ages unless two scenarios. One is you can run Deca if you're blasting and cruising since its a long ester and would hamper natural production recovery if you were cycling off and on. This isn't an issue if you blast and cruise at trt dosages. The second is running Deca at lower doses say 100mg/week for improvement in joint hydration where the dose being lower you could bear coming off and recovery would be a lot quicker than waiting for 500mg/wk to clear your system.

If you're familiar with Deca I would blast/cruise and run it at higher doses around 4-500mg/week since it's such a good mass builder and would absolutely aid you in recovering some of the muscle lost by your surgeries in my opinion.

I always use and recommend Test as the base of a cycle and have simply used 500mg/week as the base of all my previous cycles so I've become familiar with how it affects me. I've become biased to thinking 500mg is a pretty decent starting point but in recent years I have come to believe that gains are still very possible at lower doses say 300mg/week. I also believe that picking the lowest effective dose is worthwhile.

For your first blast I think you could stack Test, Deca and Eq but honestly I would pick one and run it with test and save the other for your second blast to see how they affect you differently. I think it's pretty easy to fall into the trap of running multiple compounds simultaneously and issues that pop up can be complicated since you have less of an idea what compound is causing the issue. For this reason I would also hold off on using your Dbol until you've done one or 2 blasts and have built back an appreciable amount of muscle where at that point a bulking steroid like dbol could be effective. Personally never used orals so I can't comment on personal experience with the compounds but Dbol being so popular I would also say a test/dbol first blast would be very effective too. If your liver is good and you can abstain from alcohol for 8 weeks I would do test for 12 weeks @500mg/wk and dbol for the first 8 weeks of a blast at 20 or 40mg/day.

Using Hgh during your blast and using it until they run out for longer than the cycle could aid in recovery and new tissue formation. I would run it at 4iu/day and there is a lot of information you can glean from others' previous hgh cycles on this forum you can search and read through.

I hope this helps as you mull over your options. Don't be afraid to ask many questions since this is a harm reduction board and every member would rather assist you on this journey than scold you on the repercussions of a failed cycle

I absolutely ageee about multiple coimplounds, sides and more sides . I am not familiar with deca , and did not know it can be bad at okder ages w longer ester.
When would you time Running HGH with a test base and an AAS? Start HGH months first and then the test or start at same time .
I have clomid/ novalex? Is an AI needed with a cycle like this or something to take concurrently with the compounds recomend?
I have more bloods to post liver is good and not drinking is no issue. .
I heard someone say they take HGH to stay healthy so they can take AAS Im intrigued by HGH and woukd love to implement it if it would add some synergy to a test base cycle.
So deca is much safer with a TRT dose of test?
Sorry for so many questions .appreciate your knowledge .

 

[WannaBeBIG]

I absolutely ageee about multiple coimplounds, sides and more sides . I am not familiar with deca , and did not know it can be bad at okder ages w longer ester.
When would you time Running HGH with a test base and an AAS? Start HGH months first and then the test or start at same time .
I have clomid/ novalex? Is an AI needed with a cycle like this or something to take concurrently with the compounds recomend?
I have more bloods to post liver is good and not drinking is no issue. .
I heard someone say they take HGH to stay healthy so they can take AAS Im intrigued by HGH and woukd love to implement it if it would add some synergy to a test base cycle.
So deca is much safer with a TRT dose of test?
Sorry for so many questions .appreciate your knowledge .

So I'll do my best to address your questions. Deca is not necessarily bad for older people. I just mean with my statement that if you were to cycle and do post cycle therapy with clomid/nolva it may be more difficult to recover your natural testosterone production very quickly since Deca is known to shut you down for a while post cycle. This is pretty true for most longer acting esters due to elimination by their half-lives.

I would say even at 300mg of test you may need an anti estrogen. Personally I use arimidex at 1mg a week for 150mg test for my trt and it keeps me in range and without sides. You may need more or less. When I cycle I use Aromasin and since I usually stick with 500mg Test as a base I know I need 37.5mg/week to keep in range. Some will say when you start a cycle to hold off on an AI but make sure to have it on hand for if estrogen sides pop up. I'm more in the camp emphasizing bloodwork while starting at a low dose of AI and adjust according to bloodwork. I've never crashed estrogen yet so I think using a low dose and adjusting based on need is a good idea but you may get other advise which may be more effective to your personal situation.

You won't need to start HGH months in advance to get the benefits of using it while on cycle. There is no harm starting the HGH with the start of a cycle. HGH is however beneficial taken for at least six months so do with that what you will. For timing I would start researching protocols to limit insulin resistance as that has been my point of interest too since I'm very interested in trying HGH in the near future. HGH is touted outside the steroid community as an anti-aging miracle and here its known for its tissue building and fat loss components. It's definitely a great compound so it's neat you already have some on hand.

Circling back to Deca I believe some will argue to run test low and deca higher to reduce the risk of gynomastica and progestin based sides which are harder to manage with higher test. The takeaway here is to remember with any 19-nor compound like Deca or Tren is that they have unique sides which are exasperated by high estrogen so keeping that in check lets you avoid most sides. The most common side effect of Deca is erectile dysfunction which can last months after cycle but I believe is mitigated by estrogen control but it may be worthwhile having some cialis on hand just in case. I like Tren which also carries that risk and haven't tried Deca yet but I'm less afraid of "Deca dick" based on my experiences with Tren.. I think the takeaway here should be to experiment with dose. If you are building appreciable muscle with low doses of both Test and Deca to your liking there is no need to raise dose. If you're on cycle let's say with 250-300 Test, 400 Deca and you don't like the results after a month you can always adjust your dose higher slightly until you see the muscle gains you're looking for. Everything is flexible and you're not locked in during a cycle to any set dose so I believe in going by feel and results desired.

So bloodwork is typically taken pre cycle to gauge health beforehand and at week 6 to see how your body is responding. Some do bloods at week 4 but I believe that's jumping the gun a little especially with longer esters which need time to reach stable peak levels in your bloodstream and that takes at least a few half-lives if you're not frontloading on day one.

Never apologize for asking questions. Everyone on this forum would rather answer 100 questions than have someone come back with bad news after a failed detail in their cycle. The key is to be informed and we all here share our information and experiences so you avoid many of the risks and pitfalls of steroid use. Information is king here

 

[may2021]

Greetings I’m a 52 year old male wondering if someone could direct me to or explain these test levels at my age? I ran orals “ back in the day” and considering a recomp. Don’t know if Inwnat to fuck up my test yet for TRT , maybe 2ius HGH . Any help appreciated
AP

We had almost identical levels and at the same age, just before I began self directed "trt" last year.

After 6 months on 300 test weekly, I went to 3561 total and 866 free.

I stopped test for 2 months and went to 688 total and 99 free.

I just started up again last week - another 6 month run is the plan.

One thing I've concluded is hcg doesn't really meaningfully contribute toward increased testosterone levels - at least not for me at my age - as I did not stop that but still dropped down to 688 and 99 during my two month break.

Just my two cents.

At our age, I say go for it.
Those smaller doses had me feeling great and growing for sure.

 

[Ankle pick]

We had almost identical levels and at the same age, just before I began self directed "trt" last year.

After 6 months on 300 test weekly, I went to 3561 total and 866 free.

I stopped test for 2 months and went to 688 total and 99 free.

I just started up again last week - another 6 month run is the plan.

One thing I've concluded is hcg doesn't really meaningfully contribute toward increased testosterone levels - at least not for me at my age - as I did not stop that but still dropped down to 688 and 99 during my two month break.

Just my two cents.

At our age, I say go for it.
Those smaller doses had me feeling great and growing for sure.

That’s excellent to hear, I think 300 is a good point