egruberman
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Double or triple this would probably be fine.
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Am I too old?
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Double or triple this would probably be fine.
AlexDavis43
Member
It's a little high for TRT. How do you feel? I'd consider their dosing recommendation anyway, but especially if any skin/mood/libido side effects.
You'll still make muscle gains on 0.8 cc/wk (assuming you're still training hard in the gym).
And yeah for the BP. May want to consult your PCP about antihypertensive meds.
Labs in Germany consider anything above 800 as extremely high already, the highest i had at a lab as for ref. range was 1000 and even when you get close to it they go full crazy mode on you.
At 1.200 i feel perfect and intend to stay at that range forever, every time i do bloods i get a nurse or lab doc telling me that i gonna die soon because of TRT.
malfeasance
Member
Some men at 40 will be over 900 naturally.
Some men at 50 will be over 800 naturally.
They should be looking at other things like blood pressure or estrogen levels or something looking for problems rather than looking at just that one number.
There definitely could be a problem trying to hit 1000 on an obese person who is converting and has high estrogen. It takes a lot of testosterone to get him to 1000, and a lot of that is subject to his increased aromatase and therefore converted to estrogen.
Aromatase Inhibitors (AI) are not good to take long term.
The solution there is to treat him to some reasonable level and counsel him to get lean, at which point the same amount of testosterone injected will give him higher levels of testosterone and lower levels of estrogen.
UncleBuns
Member
That blood pressure is way to high. I would lower the dose until blood pressure is at a reasonable level. As you lose weight BP will improve. Cardio is key for BP as well. Both LISS and high intensity. Test+overweight+no or not enough cardio = inevitable negative health consequences.
Resting heart rate would also be interesting. Most likely also in the high 80-90s
bigMoJo
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@fw190jd
Hey brother, you're getting invaluable feedback from extremely knowledgable members. They have been of tremendous help to me as well. Therefore, I have nothing to add... it's all Gold.
However, FYI... the blood labs you posted as pdf on page 2, post #26... has your personal info un-redacted. I went ahead and "reported" it so as its removed. Please follow up with admin and do the same.
Wish you the best!
Hey brother, you're getting invaluable feedback from extremely knowledgable members. They have been of tremendous help to me as well. Therefore, I have nothing to add... it's all Gold.
However, FYI... the blood labs you posted as pdf on page 2, post #26... has your personal info un-redacted. I went ahead and "reported" it so as its removed. Please follow up with admin and do the same.
Wish you the best!
Thank you, I got so caught up in yhe discussion I didn't even think that. Yes, some very helpful info, I can't belive how helpful everyone is here, you guys are so patient with the new members like myself. I do get excited to here the knowledge and apply it or not. Thank you all again, I'm learning.
Thank you for the response resting heart rate is regularly 76. I'm in very good shape I am carrying a little extra fluff around my midsection my endurance is good my strength is excellent no issues there I'll post some more current pictures I think that might help.
Thank you and even as a new member I truly respect your thoughts. Cardio regular thing now after every workout strength training there's about 25 minutes of cardio work there so blood pressure should come into line sooner rather than later. I was also doing battle ropes but it was only once a week maybe twice and I got my heart rate up into the 150s and I did pretty good at it with consecutive sets of over 2 minutes each set with heavier ropes. I think what I'm doing now that I've become more informed on this site will certainly get me to work I want to be not just healthwise but composition wise. High protein diet clean eating, cardio, sleep, trt, and HGH. I am also complimenting the HGH with some peptides just coming on finishing my first cycle of peptides 5 weeks not sure I'm going to continue with that they're expensive and I think the HGH give you more bang for your buck? I know they do different things my goals are simple to get to get leaner and maybe put on some muscle chest shoulders a little bit on the legs.
UncleBuns
Member
For most people in most situations just using GH is the simpler better way to go. Glad to hear that you're incorporating cardio and covering all your bases. Just keep with it and you will reach your goals! Bodies take time to adapt and become healthier. You will see over the months that if you stick to the plan there will be big positive changes.
AlexDavis43
Member
That's awesome man.
Wouldn't completely rule out BP meds tho. Many guy on regular TRT who do cardio & are lean still end up needing them.
42 Gear’s old
New Member
Respectfully, judging by these pictures, I would say that you would benefit from GLP1’s assisting you in an extended duration calorie deficit, combine with 5 to 7 days per week cardio (even if it’s only walking for an hour), in addition to your regular weight training. Also go low-fat, high protein, and moderate to low carbs for every meal of the week except for one cheap meal per week (not a cheat day).
If you can do that for an extended duration of six months up to a year -&- a half, which will def. cut a tremendous amount of fat while maintaining muscle mass/strength, then at that point, I would say you are ready to begin considering an increase in your testosterone dosage, and maybe even possibly other PED’s.
Best of luck to you on this bodybuilding journey we are all on & love
malfeasance
Member
Do you recommend GLP1s for everybody who needs to lose fat?
Yes I am on Trezepitide, test c, and some assorted peptides, and HGH.
I typically walk 10,000 steps a day, I'm at the gym 5 days a week been doing that for a few years now, I omitted cardio 3 months ago because of some YouTube video that I got sucked into and have recently added it back in 6 days a week 25 minutes a day. Those handles on my side are just a nuisance they don't want to go away. A train hard when I'm at the gym I'm right up there with the young guys I'm 63 years old and I'm pushing more weight than they are and my typical weight training is about an hour sometimes a little bit more. Maybe because I'm 63 years old I'm just not putting the muscle mass on? Wonder if there's any 63-year-old guys in here doing any extra curricular gear? I'm glad I found this form because I was going to try something different to put on some muscle mass either Prima or Dibol, but after listening to some of the experts here it didn't seem like the right thing? Not to mention that I eat properly way my food out meal prep do all that this can be aggravating I just haven't figured out what the missing piece is
I typically walk 10,000 steps a day, I'm at the gym 5 days a week been doing that for a few years now, I omitted cardio 3 months ago because of some YouTube video that I got sucked into and have recently added it back in 6 days a week 25 minutes a day. Those handles on my side are just a nuisance they don't want to go away. A train hard when I'm at the gym I'm right up there with the young guys I'm 63 years old and I'm pushing more weight than they are and my typical weight training is about an hour sometimes a little bit more. Maybe because I'm 63 years old I'm just not putting the muscle mass on? Wonder if there's any 63-year-old guys in here doing any extra curricular gear? I'm glad I found this form because I was going to try something different to put on some muscle mass either Prima or Dibol, but after listening to some of the experts here it didn't seem like the right thing? Not to mention that I eat properly way my food out meal prep do all that this can be aggravating I just haven't figured out what the missing piece is
BigDadd7
Member
You're on terz and doing a bunch of cardio, but also trying to gain muscle at 63?
yes, why, your resonse doesn't sound good, more like that's not going to happen. I mean the strength is there, benching just outside of 225, leg pressing 400, straight bar curl 105.
I am leaning toward in my thinking that I can get lean and look good doing what I'm doing, but if size on top of thta is what I'm after, I'm not sure I can get there natty ?
I am leaning toward in my thinking that I can get lean and look good doing what I'm doing, but if size on top of thta is what I'm after, I'm not sure I can get there natty ?
42 Gear’s old
New Member
As GLP’s are clinically proven, through successful patient usage now measured in the millions, and even though I am a non-medical professional, I would say common sense says it’s safe to recommend GLP’s for anybody looking to lose fat.
There are many national circuit and IFBB pro circuit bodybuilders raving about successful cycles using Reta.
There are many fat, flaming dumpster fires raving about their pharmaceutical injectables, Wagovy Monjaro, or Ozempic… just look at the people in the commercials lol !
I personally have successfully used both Tirz. and Reta.
- My Tirz. Cycle are/were 2.5mg once per week, for the first two weeks. And then 5 mg per week for another 6 to 8 weeks.
- My Reta. Cycle are/were 3.0mg once per week, for the first two weeks. And then 6.0mg per week for another 6 to 8 weeks.
Before warned that at these dosages, you will have serious hunger suppression. But don’t worry about losing muscle mass as long as you do the two following things while cycling through these GLP’s:
1. Be sure to have high protein in every meal that you eat, even if it’s just one meal a day try to climb in 100 g minimum, and remember to keep water intake high, which you should be doing anyways.
2. Make sure you hit the weights 4 to 5 days a week per normal, and don’t worry about not making games or feeling stagnant in your workouts.
When trying to cut fat at an accelerated rate using GLP‘s, the goal is to lose fat at an accelerated rate. But if you don’t follow the two points above, you will lose muscle mass additionally.
Personally following the two steps above for three complete cycles of GLP1’s, I had never lost muscle mass one of those times and successfully burned a lot of fat each time.
Best of luck to you on this bodybuilding journey we are all on and love.
42 Gear’s old
New Member
I would personally try to dial-in my food at a caloric deficit while increasing my cardio until I start seeing the love handles disappear. Of course remain on your TRT dosage and maintain weightlifting, but bodybuilding shouldn’t be a priority, but rather the priority is to lose that excess midsection body fat.
Then after successfully, completing the above, which at your age, you should be able to do it in a 4 to 8 month window, then start ramping up the bodybuilding again for another several months before even considering additional PED’s on top of your TRT.
Just sharing my thoughts and recommendations, but would be delighted to hear the opinion of others as well as I am not a leading authority in this topic, just an experienced individual sharing from my own best practises and experiences.
Also, what is your current Tirz. dosage and cycle?
Additionally, using a GLP1 in attempting to build muscle is a conundrum.
Best of luck to you on this bodybuilding journey we are all on and love!
I'm in the middle of my second cycle of 5 mg. Yes the love handles they just won't go away they are my nemesis
