Test p vs test c and e

[MR.BTB]

@Broccolihead, I don't see a difference with more frequent injections of the longer esters either. I know it is a popular protocol and can result in more stable blood levels for many but there are plenty of cases where people do just fine injecting once a week.

Even with shorter esters like P, I do ok with injecting 2X per week. I don't see a difference between test e or test c but I will say that with Sustanon, I believe I had less bloat and just had an overall better sense of well being.

With each sustanon, test e or test c, I only pinned once a week. I had bloods with each one over a few months of use and all were similar as far as my health markers and my total test and E2 counts.

Have you tried sustanon? I'm not saying you will respond like I did but it may be worth a shot for you.

My friend who is 63 started taking sustanon 250 the old bastard went from zero libido to banging every chick who would give him a shot.

According to him his libido hasn’t dropped since taking it and stayed stable with no drop.

Also only pins once a week

 

[sbtr12]

My friend who is 63 started taking sustanon 250 the old bastard went from zero libido to banging every chick who would give him a shot.

According to him his libido hasn’t dropped since taking it and stayed stable with no drop.

Also only pins once a week

interesting and good for him. I can't imagine that I would still be pinning at 63, but who knows.

 

[sbtr12]

You crash on that. I get more acne 4+ days if i dont pin.

Go on test U for once per week.

I have not tried test U yet but its on my bucket list especially when Im down to strictly TRT with no more blasts ever.

Ive never felt the crash with Sustanon pinning once a week. I even tried pinning once every ten days and felt fine.

I don't doubt, however, that my blood levels were all over the place pinning like that so it may not be the best method.

 

[Benf15harp]

I feel my sleep is much better on test P. I have done blood work where it was an hour or 2 after my shot and 24 hours. The few hours my TT was 2000 and the 24 hours it was 750. The big spike through the day and lower levels for better sleep at night. I get no pip from test p so that helps.

I have also ran c and p together. The C for a lower level background noise and the P for a for good energy and mood through the day. Also like this for when I experiment with different doses.

Isn’t it possible that you exceeded 2000 in hours 3-8? Also, the esters from previous shots make peak and trough kinda impossible to know for sure.

 

[LGOP528]

Isn’t it possible that you exceeded 2000 in hours 3-8? Also, the esters from previous shots make peak and trough kinda impossible to know for sure.

I would the the 750 is definitely the low because I do daily shots but yes I could go over 2000.

 

[hungryalways]

Isn’t it possible that you exceeded 2000 in hours 3-8? Also, the esters from previous shots make peak and trough kinda impossible to know for sure.

Peak and trough prob quite hard to predict, even with just prop.

A small study here (only 2 subjects) has the tmax at 24 to 27 hours:

Sci-Hub | Pharmacokinetic Properties of Testosterone Propionate in Norman Men. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 63(6), 1361–1364 | 10.1210/jcem-63-6-1361

So, it's around a day to peak and then a 24h half-life.

With daily dosing, this doesn't leave much of a variation between peak and trough, modelling using the numbers from that study:

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Obviously, this might vary significantly between users. Does anyone know of any prop studies with more than 2 subjects?

Either way, it's interesting to keep reading about guys that feel great on prop for TRT. Might have to give it a go at some point.

 

[LGOP528]

Peak and trough prob quite hard to predict, even with just prop.

A small study here (only 2 subjects) has the tmax at 24 to 27 hours:

Sci-Hub | Pharmacokinetic Properties of Testosterone Propionate in Norman Men. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 63(6), 1361–1364 | 10.1210/jcem-63-6-1361

So, it's around a day to peak and then a 24h half-life.

With daily dosing, this doesn't leave much of a variation between peak and trough, modelling using the numbers from that study:

Check out my protocol on SteroidPlotter.com

Click to reveal my protocol or create your own protocol graphs on SteroidPlotter.com.

steroidplotter.com

Obviously, this might vary significantly between users. Does anyone know of any prop studies with more than 2 subjects?

Either way, it's interesting to keep reading about guys that feel great on prop for TRT. Might have to give it a go at some point.

I was just saying that is the trough because I would do an injection at that time so my TT would start to climb.

 

[Ss99]

Peak and trough prob quite hard to predict, even with just prop.

A small study here (only 2 subjects) has the tmax at 24 to 27 hours:

Sci-Hub | Pharmacokinetic Properties of Testosterone Propionate in Norman Men. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 63(6), 1361–1364 | 10.1210/jcem-63-6-1361

So, it's around a day to peak and then a 24h half-life.

With daily dosing, this doesn't leave much of a variation between peak and trough, modelling using the numbers from that study:

Check out my protocol on SteroidPlotter.com

Click to reveal my protocol or create your own protocol graphs on SteroidPlotter.com.

steroidplotter.com

Obviously, this might vary significantly between users. Does anyone know of any prop studies with more than 2 subjects?

Either way, it's interesting to keep reading about guys that feel great on prop for TRT. Might have to give it a go at some point.

Blood work I’ve seen doesn’t seem to support this. Some of the older literature on Testosterone pharmacokinetics doesn’t seem live to up in the real world. Tmax seems to be anywhere between 1-8 hours and t1/2 under 20 hours.

When I inject in the AM (daily) I tend to feel the difference in levels of androgens around midday, and subsequently lose that ‘feeling’ later in the evening. I’ve never been able to notice anything like this on the longer esters I’ve used in the past and the effects seem consistent even with q2d and q3d dosing.

I was looking through excelmale forums recently where they tend to really go into the intricacies of these things and found some bloodwork posted there which seemed to support the same. I think some of those users had switched to Propionate & Cypionate/Enanthate blends to limit the disparity seen in peak and trough levels with propionate alone which sounds iinteresting in theory.

In my 8 weeks or so on Test Propionate only I’m noticeably less ‘fuller’ outside of my gym sessions, even on much higher dosages. I’m curious how this plays out in the bloodwork I’m planning to get next week as my hypothesis is it’s caused by estradiol rising and declining rapidly alongside T, I don’t think my T trough is <500ng/dl so I suspect it’s estrogen mediated.

 

[slightlyam]

Almost everyone that does bloodwork leaves out DHT, and I believe DHT levels are to blame for the difference in libido.

From what I understand longer esters convert more to estrogen, and shorter ones to DHT. I feel like bro science had this already figure out, as usually people bulk with longer and cut with shorter esters.

I am also struggling to respond to test E tbh. I feel good, my energy levels are ok, my nipples are fine, but my libido is completely off. 50mg test e eod. AI brings it back for a moment, but then is off again, regardless how I dose the AI.

I cant wait to switch to P

 

[hungryalways]

Blood work I’ve seen doesn’t seem to support this. Some of the older literature on Testosterone pharmacokinetics doesn’t seem live to up in the real world. Tmax seems to be anywhere between 1-8 hours and t1/2 under 20 hours.

When I inject in the AM (daily) I tend to feel the difference in levels of androgens around midday, and subsequently lose that ‘feeling’ later in the evening. I’ve never been able to notice anything like this on the longer esters I’ve used in the past and the effects seem consistent even with q2d and q3d dosing.

I was looking through excelmale forums recently where they tend to really go into the intricacies of these things and found some bloodwork posted there which seemed to support the same. I think some of those users had switched to Propionate & Cypionate/Enanthate blends to limit the disparity seen in peak and trough levels with propionate alone which sounds iinteresting in theory.

In my 8 weeks or so on Test Propionate only I’m noticeably less ‘fuller’ outside of my gym sessions, even on much higher dosages. I’m curious how this plays out in the bloodwork I’m planning to get next week as my hypothesis is it’s caused by estradiol rising and declining rapidly alongside T, I don’t think my T trough is <500ng/dl so I suspect it’s estrogen mediated.

Yeah, it's a tiny study. I wish there were more published data to go by.

 

[hungryalways]

Almost everyone that does bloodwork leaves out DHT, and I believe DHT levels are to blame for the difference in libido.

From what I understand longer esters convert more to estrogen, and shorter ones to DHT. I feel like bro science had this already figure out, as usually people bulk with longer and cut with shorter esters.

I am also struggling to respond to test E tbh. I feel good, my energy levels are ok, my nipples are fine, but my libido is completely off. 50mg test e eod. AI brings it back for a moment, but then is off again, regardless how I dose the AI.

I cant wait to switch to P

What's your typical P dosage for cruise/TRT where your libido is good?

 

[slightlyam]

What's your typical P dosage for cruise/TRT where your libido is good?

20mg of test P and I am good for the day man. But, my libido goes up as my dose goes up.

I am struggling massively with test e and I am a bit out of ideas. In the past, both with test P and natty + enclo, high e2 would present itself with nipples on fire, being unable to sleep, but with insane libido and insane strenght. Right now the only issue seems to be lack of libido and no strenght. So you could say "maybe you crashed your e2!" right, but when I take an AI I recover some libido a bit for a while. So is not that.

What I suspect is that I am producing very little dht. Back then I would have high dht AND high e2, so libido would be off the charts and my hairloss would be worse. Maybe now with low dht any amount of e2 is leaving me with no libido way before it affects my nipples or anything else.

But I am not on fin or dut. Is it really possible that the ester makes such a difference?

I am going to test this theory by doing tribulus glycine and creatine. These 3 things are known to upregulate the 5ar enzyme. Lets see

 

[Sourbuds]

Curious about experiences on test p vs longer ester test. I started trt on 150mg test e, everything was great for the first few months then my libido dropped to basically zero. Bloods looked good, no issues with estrogen. Also tried hcg which did nothing. Started doing daily injections of 22mg test p about a month ago and it’s like I have the libido of a teenage boy again. I’m curious if anyone else felt different on different esters and why this might be the case?

I was watching a guy on YT named Vigorous something and he recommended doing small shots daily because it has a better effect on peaks and valleys. Do you inject sub or IM?