Testicular shrinkage and libdio loss on heavy cycles, how do you guys deal with it?

[GuerillaPete]

IME (on heavy/long cycles) it's better to keep HCG doses as low as possible and even shoot daily with 250iu if necessary coz higher HCG doses can quickly have an impact on estrogen levels and cause gyno issues.

Daily shot of 250 iu hcg is more than the 1500 iu a week i suggested yet you think less is better?
Am i missing something ?
If you get gyno from hcg you will get gyno no matter what and its better to start saving money for surgery and not live in constant fear of gyno.
Also 400 mgs of tren and not enough hcg ejaculation will be of microscopic amounts .

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

HCG and that you properly control your estrogen.

High estrogen means high progesterone which is very bad if your running 19-Nors.

It’s sort of a double whammy, the silver lining though is if you control estrogen your preventing issues with the both of them.

So yeah… HCG and an AI can drastically help with the side effects.

 

[1tank1]

Daily shot of 250 iu hcg is more than the 1500 iu a week i suggested yet you think less is better?
Am i missing something ?

The point you're overlooking is that the lower dose will just have a small effect over time whereas the higher dose will spike quickly and `possibly` bring on adverse side effects really fast.

This is the same for all drugs and not just HCG.

Surely I don't need to explain to you the difference between taking 2 paracetamol for a headache and taking the entire bottle in one dose?

I did a 5000iu shot of HCG once in my younger and less educated days thinking `more is better` but within 24 hours I got puffy/itchy nips and the start of a small gyno lump.

 

[jJjburton]

I find no correlation between testicle size and libido. My libido was actually high prior to hcg.

 

[GuerillaPete]

The point you're overlooking is that the lower dose will just have a small effect over time whereas the higher dose will spike quickly and `possibly` bring on adverse side effects really fast.

This is the same for all drugs and not just HCG.

Surely I don't need to explain to you the difference between taking 2 paracetamol for a headache and taking the entire bottle in one dose?

I did a 5000iu shot of HCG once in my younger and less educated days thinking `more is better` but within 24 hours I got puffy/itchy nips and the start of a small gyno lump.

Imagine taking half paracetamol when you need one because the fear of gyno……
I am all about taking the needed amount of paracetamol (hcg) not the imagined less is better amount.

 

[Gigantic]

High estrogen means high progesterone which is very bad if your running 19-Nors.

Why? And you keep this under wraps with anastrozole, or what?

 

[1tank1]

Imagine taking half paracetamol when you need one because the fear of gyno……
I am all about taking the needed amount of paracetamol (hcg) not the imagined less is better amount.

There is no evidence to prove that the amount you suggested is `needed` bro and there's many different protocols for HCG but you're entitled to an opinion just like I am.

I'm speaking from experience when I say a lower daily dose is preferred and that's coz I've had estrogenic side effects from HCG spikes at higher doses.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

OP.....This might sound like a strange question but do you masturbate a lot/regular?

I know this wasn't asked of me, but there is no way I can jack off anymore. I have to save my pops for go time.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

Why? And you keep this under wraps with anastrozole, or what?

Yep.

Read what I said.

 

[EJ1739]

The point you're overlooking is that the lower dose will just have a small effect over time whereas the higher dose will spike quickly and `possibly` bring on adverse side effects really fast.

This is the same for all drugs and not just HCG.

Surely I don't need to explain to you the difference between taking 2 paracetamol for a headache and taking the entire bottle in one dose?

I did a 5000iu shot of HCG once in my younger and less educated days thinking `more is better` but within 24 hours I got puffy/itchy nips and the start of a small gyno lump.

Back in the day, I was always told to do a huge amount in one blast over the course of a week to help PCT. It never made sense to me, so I just did 250iu's until the vial finished.

 

[1tank1]

Back in the day, I was always told to do a huge amount in one blast over the course of a week to help PCT. It never made sense to me, so I just did 250iu's until the vial finished.

I remember being given the same advice.
If you're going into a PCT after a long or heavy cycle there's a bit of logic to use slightly higher HCG doses to kickstart HPTA function again a week before clomid/nolva........but for most guys who are blasting/cruising it's safer and makes more sense to just use it low dose and more often IME.

 

[1tank1]

I know this wasn't asked of me, but there is no way I can jack off anymore. I have to save my pops for go time.

Not everyone has access to as much pussy as you though bro so regular wanks are essential for some guys/girls to keep their sanity and libido under control.

It's easy to go too far on cycles though and literally empty your sack and get groin pains and HCG will not help testicular size or seminal fluid volume if someone is always masturbating several times everyday.

 

[aestheticsfirst]

Not everyone has access to as much pussy as you though bro so regular wanks are essential for some guys/girls to keep their sanity and libido under control.

It's easy to go too far on cycles though and literally empty your sack and get groin pains and HCG will not help testicular size or seminal fluid volume if someone is always masturbating several times everyday.

Lol i can relate I've been blasting and causing for 3 years straight

 

[SkullCrusher]

This is 19-Nors right? I remember my balls went almost 2D from highish nandrolone - they were like balls but flattened wafer thin

 

[1tank1]

This is 19-Nors right? I remember my balls went almost 2D from highish nandrolone - they were like balls but flattened wafer thin

All androgens/anabolics and even some prohormones can put you in a serious state of atrophy but it depends on dose/duration and the preventative measures you take on cycles.

Too much wanking/sex will just add to your atrophy problems and make recovery/repair longer and slower when you try to use exogenous LH/FSH meds.

 

[aestheticsfirst]

This is 19-Nors right? I remember my balls went almost 2D from highish nandrolone - they were like balls but flattened wafer thin

Yeah 19 Nors really shrink the balls that's what I've noticed

 

[GuerillaPete]

All androgens/anabolics and even some prohormones can put you in a serious state of atrophy but it depends on dose/duration and the preventative measures you take on cycles.

Too much wanking/sex will just add to your atrophy problems and make recovery/repair longer and slower when you try to use exogenous LH/FSH meds.

And you'll go to hell!

 

[aestheticsfirst]

Just gotta be careful and use hcg throughout

 

[1tank1]

And you'll go to hell!

If heaven and hell really exist.......I'm definitely go down into the fires and not up towards the clouds and blue skies. I've wanked religiously since a teenager and watched far too much questionable porn

 

[Rido]

I know this wasn't asked of me, but there is no way I can jack off anymore. I have to save my pops for go time.

I really need to save up my loads. I jerk off if I can't go to sleep. I think we need to make an "everything sex" thread in general discussion