Testosterone acetate most powerful testosterone?

An interlaboratory study of the pharmacokinetics of testosterone following intramuscular administration to Thoroughbred horses
An interlaboratory study of the pharmacokinetics of testosterone following intramuscular administration to Thoroughbred horses - MOELLER - 2011 - Journal of Veterinary Pharmacology and Therapeutics - Wiley Online Library
Testosterone is an anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) that is endogenously produced by both male and female horses that also has the potential for abuse when administered exogenously to race horses. To recommend appropriate withdrawal guidelines so that veterinarians can discontinue therapeutic use prior to competition, the pharmacokinetics and elimination of testosterone were investigated. An aqueous testosterone suspension was administered intramuscularly in the neck of Thoroughbred horses (n = 20). The disposition of testosterone from this formulation was characterized by an initial, rapid absorption phase followed by a much more variable secondary absorption phase. The median terminal half-life was 39 h. A second focus of this study was to compare the testosterone concentrations determined by two different laboratories using a percentage similarity model with a coefficient of variation of 16.5% showing good agreement between the two laboratories results. Based on the results of this study, a withdrawal period of 30 days for aqueous testosterone administered IM is recommended.

lol I have still not read the whole thread, but the absorption HL is longer than the terminal and prior to my intial thought on the topic differs. I initially though suspension is a 3-4 hour drug.. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of research on these topics from what I can find.
 
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Yeah nice easy reading thread here.... So if I understand correctly, its the testosterone that helps with the muscle growth and not the ester..?
I'm gonna have words with my source, he has been ripping me off, and telling me just to take esters... :p
 
Tst ace 200mg per ml can be made without problems ...just letting everyone know because most said that it cant be done in that high a dose

test ace also has more test mg per mg then any other test with a ester = most powerful test available mg per mg :d
 
Tst ace 200mg per ml can be made without problems ...just letting everyone know because most said that it cant be done in that high a dose

test ace also has more test mg per mg then any other test with a ester = most powerful test available mg per mg :d

Its painful enough @ 100......
 
That's one of three Sworder which fails to demonstrate an "elimination" half life of one day. I have two more somewhere in my computer.

Interestingly what is NOT mentioned is the EXCIPIENT used for the T-Susp in that study.

The researchers used PEG as the excipient (yep I contacted Franks Pharmacy and spoke with the compounding Pharmacist and owner Frank) this particular excipient has RELATIVELY poor solubility characteristics for fat soluble compounds such as testosterone!

There are other excipients which could improve the solubility characteristics however one of the problems is T as a powder is NOT micronized (it could be however).

Ergo once nonmicronized testosterone is mixed using a water based solution such as PEG "globule" formation inevitably occurs.

The latter is a MAJOR causation of "delayed" T-s absorption (and in this instance were probably responsible for the second "peak" in the study) since "globules" encourage precipitation thru several mechanisms.
 
Just an update ... I have been doing eod injections of test and it seems best but i also am taking large amounts of equi so im not sure which is which for the good effects.....im gunna start doing 1-testosterone in high doses soon also and see how well it works with test and equi
 
To: PS Labs Founder,
If your looking for Test Acetate, I've got a source, try Steelgear, Zyklon makes it, and you can get it shipped domestic U.S. Also, they make a Test with no Ester, (I 'am not familiar with that one) both come in 25 ml. I hope you find this helpful.:)
 
@Dr JIM i would like your input. i am currently taking test enth 500/mg week Mast enth 400/mg week Tren Enth 400/mg week...would it be beneficial for me to swap into a test ace, tren ace and mast prop for the last few weeks of my cycle? you seem to know your stuff and I trust your judgment and I am just curious if this would be a worth while step or a waste of time as I am running 9 weeks on the enth ester and would like to go 12 weeks total cycle.
 
The short answer is YES!

Why? Because the reduced half lives of short chain esters such as Acetate and Prop enable one to begin PCT sooner!

The difference can be significant indeed. For instance the half life of T-e approximates 5-7 days and considering at least FOUR half lives, and preferably FIVE, will need to pass before PCT is effective, we are talking about a waiting interval of 4-5 WEEKS!

Now lets look at T-p with a half life of 2-3 days. Apply the same rules and the waiting interval is roughly CUT IN HALF!

Of course the major drawback of doing this is having to pin more frequently. Like QD and QOD for a Acetate and Propionate ester respectively.

Regs
jim
 
The short answer is YES!

Why? Because the reduced half lives of short chain esters such as Acetate and Prop enable one to begin PCT sooner!

The difference can be significant indeed. For instance the half life of T-e approximates 5-7 days and considering at least FOUR half lives, and preferably FIVE, will need to pass before PCT is effective, we are talking about a waiting interval of 4-5 WEEKS!

Now lets look at T-p with a half life of 2-3 days. Apply the same rules and the waiting interval is roughly CUT IN HALF!

Of course the major drawback of doing this is having to pin more frequently. Like QD and QOD for a Acetate and Propionate ester respectively.

Regs
jim

Thanks for the short and straight answer :)
 
K quick question, If I am currently taking 500mg Test enth 400mg tren enth 400mg mast enth a week and I wished to transition into Test ACE tren ACE mast PROP what would be close to equivalent doses EOD? My math and the info available especially on the test ACE is scarce and any help would be appreciated
 
the problem with -acetates is that they are not as soluble, so that you can't get a very high concentration with them anyways, or they will crash, probably limited to around 100mg/ml I am guessing before you would start to see problems
that's 100mg of pure hormone though..
All these guys doing 150mg 200mg/ml I wanna see tested..
 
K quick question, If I am currently taking 500mg Test enth 400mg tren enth 400mg mast enth a week and I wished to transition into Test ACE tren ACE mast PROP what would be close to equivalent doses EOD? My math and the info available especially on the test ACE is scarce and any help would be appreciated
This is Real Easy to answer, go back to the 1st Page.
PS LABS FOUNDER, gives you all the Esters, and their Potency per 100 Mg.
So look at what you're doing now, convert per 100 Mg. of Ester.
That will give you the Appropriate amounts to do when changing your Compounds................. JP
 
Tst ace 200mg per ml can be made without problems ...just letting everyone know because most said that it cant be done in that high a dose

test ace also has more test mg per mg then any other test with a ester = most powerful test available mg per mg :d


Mg per mg, duh dude...why the fk are you asking this if youre a "labs founder"? I'll be sure not to buy from you, thanks for the post...
 
This is Real Easy to answer, go back to the 1st Page.
PS LABS FOUNDER, gives you all the Esters, and their Potency per 100 Mg.
So look at what you're doing now, convert per 100 Mg. of Ester.
That will give you the Appropriate amounts to do when changing your Compounds................. JP


Thanks I am now going to attempt the math now that I have my morning coffee into me! This is so much easier when its dollars and cents lol...MG just seem to make my brain like to fart haha
 
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