Ferenor
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Would love to know that size/dose relationship, and if it can be transformed to mg/kg so I'm not here wasting my time since I wasn't happy with 500 mg only.
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MuscleFreak
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Great answer...as we increase the food if dosages does not go up all that extra weight is mostly fat...food, training and dosages everything must follow each other
Ferenor
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Mate don't hate me for the mg/kg thing haha
malfeasance
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It's not a case of not being happy. It is a case of whether you have maxed out the potential of 500mg. My first cycle was 500mg. It was great! I am so much larger now, however, that 500mg is not enough to add size on top of what I already have. Does that explanation make sense?
I also think it is too individual of a thing to prescribe mg/kg to everyone as a general rule. Some folks respond a lot better than others. Some folks get less side effects than others.
Then there is also the risk. Obviously, higher doses and multiple compounds introduce more health risk, especially over time. Getting bigger all by itself introduces a health risk. You heart was made to beat in a 150 pound body that occasionally starves for a few days while looking for food. Asking it to give complete perfusion of blood in a 250 pound body or more with no breaks is asking a lot.
Ferenor
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I understand your view, thank you
MuscleFreak
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No bro don't worry haha just Chavez
FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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yeah you know exactly What’s going on in the world at any time... hope you were sarchastic and don’t really believe Arnold built his body with that... oh fuck i forget everytime...
in which year are we right now? 2021.. because some people 2021 years ago started counting years based on a legend about one guy that it seems to have been killed by Jews because he said he was the son of god...
Arnold was natty, he said once .. with hard work you could even fly to Uranus .. hope you ll try that one day.. I strongly believe in you
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FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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Simeon Panda is lifetime natural.. he said it thousand times.. I lived with him in his house for almost 6 years and I can proudly say he s not lying is a fuckin freak of nature.. with hard work you can be black and huge with a 20” dick... just believe in yourself
Arnold said he used 200mg Primo and 15mg Dianabol... Lee Priest got his body with 1ml of Deca per year he said that and I believe him...
At school they taught me to pray Fuckin Jesus and I do it every night because above the clouds we have him lookin at us and playin with reality... I would smack his fuckin face for the fuckin unfair things that fuckin “God” made cmon dont fuckin joke
I said to my ex girlfriend that I didn’t fuck the girl who sent me a message on WhatsApp and she saw it...
I told my parents I destroyed their car when I was 15 because I had to enter in the garage with my bike and I didnt know how to drive the car so I destroyed the door and rear bumper just by hitting the curb.. yeah legit mom, I was sitting in the car and all of a sudden I saw Arnold taking 15mg of Dianabol and the car started on its own legit mom fuck you how couldn’t you believe your fuckin son I m telling the thruth fuckin god... mooom Simeon Panda is nattyyyyyy fuck... he s scared as fuck by needles cmon you know muscles grow with hard work... no pain no gain... Lee Priest once putted a tazer in his nuts during squat and he did grow a lot...with 1ml of deca per year...
@All Nats McGee your presumption, ingenuity and superficiality actually are makin me losing androgen receptors... I ll quit this thread... good luck.. and people throwing shit to Bostin Loyd for his honesty when all the phaggots believe in what those morons say...
Now I understand why they keep lying... I understand Simeon Panda and everyone else in the game..
world is fuckin full of brainless people and for ever will be..
Arnold said he used 200mg Primo and 15mg Dianabol... Lee Priest got his body with 1ml of Deca per year he said that and I believe him...
At school they taught me to pray Fuckin Jesus and I do it every night because above the clouds we have him lookin at us and playin with reality... I would smack his fuckin face for the fuckin unfair things that fuckin “God” made cmon dont fuckin joke
I said to my ex girlfriend that I didn’t fuck the girl who sent me a message on WhatsApp and she saw it...
I told my parents I destroyed their car when I was 15 because I had to enter in the garage with my bike and I didnt know how to drive the car so I destroyed the door and rear bumper just by hitting the curb.. yeah legit mom, I was sitting in the car and all of a sudden I saw Arnold taking 15mg of Dianabol and the car started on its own legit mom fuck you how couldn’t you believe your fuckin son I m telling the thruth fuckin god... mooom Simeon Panda is nattyyyyyy fuck... he s scared as fuck by needles cmon you know muscles grow with hard work... no pain no gain... Lee Priest once putted a tazer in his nuts during squat and he did grow a lot...with 1ml of deca per year...
@All Nats McGee your presumption, ingenuity and superficiality actually are makin me losing androgen receptors... I ll quit this thread... good luck.. and people throwing shit to Bostin Loyd for his honesty when all the phaggots believe in what those morons say...
Now I understand why they keep lying... I understand Simeon Panda and everyone else in the game..
world is fuckin full of brainless people and for ever will be..
FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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Ps Chris Bumstead said he used just 500mg of test...
Pps: I m Batman, don’t tell please... I crashed my batmobile and I have my money frozen by Alfred... please give me 10k to change front bumper and I ll give you 40k next month...
Ppps: I m selling real Increlex made by Ipsen pharma... I don’t have lab tests because Increlex can’t be tested... but its legit... I m selling it at 100$ for vial... contact me via pm..
Pppppps: Arnold took just 15mg Dianabol and 200mg of Primo
Pppppppppps: I have a good new peptide called SN-f-BTCH69 that has been secretly developed by Ipsen Pharma chief (same of my Increlex btw) and can block myostatin effects..Big Ramy used it and in fact he showed to the world how much of a freak he is... so.. I ve access to that peptide.. but we produce just 100 vials per year... i ve still 30 vials of them... let me know if interested... hurry up since I have a big demand... thanks
PPPPPPPPPPPS: Lee Priest just touched his Anus with the extremity of his legendary 1ml vial of Deca... never injected it... I could even sell the original one he caressed his anus with for just 1999.999$ ... hurry up, single piece... legendary... i ve thousand of requestes but I like Meso and I don’t need money since I m billionaire already... so.. good luck...
Pps: I m Batman, don’t tell please... I crashed my batmobile and I have my money frozen by Alfred... please give me 10k to change front bumper and I ll give you 40k next month...
Ppps: I m selling real Increlex made by Ipsen pharma... I don’t have lab tests because Increlex can’t be tested... but its legit... I m selling it at 100$ for vial... contact me via pm..
Pppppps: Arnold took just 15mg Dianabol and 200mg of Primo
Pppppppppps: I have a good new peptide called SN-f-BTCH69 that has been secretly developed by Ipsen Pharma chief (same of my Increlex btw) and can block myostatin effects..Big Ramy used it and in fact he showed to the world how much of a freak he is... so.. I ve access to that peptide.. but we produce just 100 vials per year... i ve still 30 vials of them... let me know if interested... hurry up since I have a big demand... thanks
PPPPPPPPPPPS: Lee Priest just touched his Anus with the extremity of his legendary 1ml vial of Deca... never injected it... I could even sell the original one he caressed his anus with for just 1999.999$ ... hurry up, single piece... legendary... i ve thousand of requestes but I like Meso and I don’t need money since I m billionaire already... so.. good luck...
Chavez.... jesus dear god none coached by him looks like he lifts....No bro don't worry haha just Chavez
He has very good points about metformin and how to use HGH and Insulin (like almost all gurus with 1 neuron), but that's it...
If you follow Chavez school, have fun looking like shit all your young life.
Bumstead won the last olympia as natty, never used so low gear.... maybe 50mg Tren Ace once a week....
MuscleFreak
Member
100% agree running 1600g primo and 1600g mast e with 250 mg test and still was fat fuck looking like shit and SMALL
malfeasance
Member
Who is this Chavez character?
MuscleFreak
Member
Broderick Chavez,call himself evil genius
malfeasance
Member
Oh, Dad bod or powerlifter? Hard to tell looking at pics of him.
MuscleFreak
Member
Powerlifter but i can deadlift more then him bro lol
This rt here. I've made this mistake before myself, comes a point where extra food don't mean shit unless you have an anabolic enough environment to utilize it all. Going from 5,000 cals a day to 7,000 don't mean shit on 200mg a week of test and 300mg a week deca. You are correct, at that point all you're doing is making yourself a fat fuck
.....And then there's this from Bill Roberts:
Q: Hi Bill, you’ve talked about a gram per week of testosterone. Isn’t that ridiculous? What about say 200 mg?
A: It is my view that the farther one is from one’s natural, untrained state, the harder it is to gain more muscle.
There comes a point where the body essentially finds a new balance and may remain at the same muscular weight (give or take a pound or two) for a year or more, even with excellent training, if hormonal conditions remain the same.
Under different hormonal conditions – for example, more testosterone – growth can resume and a new balance point, if reached, will be at a considerably higher muscular weight. At that point, even if one were to stay on that dose of drug continually, little gains would be seen. But with higher yet levels of testosterone, rapid growth could again resume.
So a person who has already made a lot of gains is probably not going to see much, if anything, from 200 mg/week testosterone. And if he used steroids to get there, and is already more muscular than he’d be as a natural trainer, he may see nothing at all, just maintenance.
A true beginner, on the other hand, can make plenty of gains with natural levels of testosterone.
From the medical standpoint, 600 mg/week has been shown to be quite safe. Furthermore, in double blind studies and so forth, doses of less than 300 mg/week generally have resulted in nothing. These studies have usually been with athletes training the same during the cycle as they were beforehand. They’re generally useless for our purposes but they do make a point here. If the dose is 300 mg/week and an athlete trains and eats the same as before, no miracle results.
Yes, I know I’ll come under criticism: you or your buddy did great on 250 mg testosterone per week. But in every case I have ever seen, such trainers were guys who were not that dedicated to lifting until they went on their cycle. They weren’t in their peak condition at the start of the cycle, and so they had some muscle memory to help them. Or they were fairly novice lifters. They trained and ate better than they ever did before. They probably would have regained 10 lb. of muscle and gained a new 10 lb. just on Placebobolan, thanks to the training, nutrition, intensity, and muscle memory. Those who ate enough to get fat will also attribute some of the fat weight as being muscle weight.
Now there is one regard where a low dose can be quite effective. This is in fat loss. Many people, especially natural endomorphs, can enjoy easy fat loss for the first time in their lives on quite moderate doses such as 250 mg/week.
I would say that 500 mg/week is a reasonable minimum for muscle gains, except for an advanced trainer, who may need a gram a week to make much further gains. To advance to today’s pro bodybuilder status, even if one has the genetics, requires more yet, not just in quantity but in supplementary drugs such as GH and insulin, which I will not be discussing.
Q: Hi Bill, you’ve talked about a gram per week of testosterone. Isn’t that ridiculous? What about say 200 mg?
A: It is my view that the farther one is from one’s natural, untrained state, the harder it is to gain more muscle.
There comes a point where the body essentially finds a new balance and may remain at the same muscular weight (give or take a pound or two) for a year or more, even with excellent training, if hormonal conditions remain the same.
Under different hormonal conditions – for example, more testosterone – growth can resume and a new balance point, if reached, will be at a considerably higher muscular weight. At that point, even if one were to stay on that dose of drug continually, little gains would be seen. But with higher yet levels of testosterone, rapid growth could again resume.
So a person who has already made a lot of gains is probably not going to see much, if anything, from 200 mg/week testosterone. And if he used steroids to get there, and is already more muscular than he’d be as a natural trainer, he may see nothing at all, just maintenance.
A true beginner, on the other hand, can make plenty of gains with natural levels of testosterone.
From the medical standpoint, 600 mg/week has been shown to be quite safe. Furthermore, in double blind studies and so forth, doses of less than 300 mg/week generally have resulted in nothing. These studies have usually been with athletes training the same during the cycle as they were beforehand. They’re generally useless for our purposes but they do make a point here. If the dose is 300 mg/week and an athlete trains and eats the same as before, no miracle results.
Yes, I know I’ll come under criticism: you or your buddy did great on 250 mg testosterone per week. But in every case I have ever seen, such trainers were guys who were not that dedicated to lifting until they went on their cycle. They weren’t in their peak condition at the start of the cycle, and so they had some muscle memory to help them. Or they were fairly novice lifters. They trained and ate better than they ever did before. They probably would have regained 10 lb. of muscle and gained a new 10 lb. just on Placebobolan, thanks to the training, nutrition, intensity, and muscle memory. Those who ate enough to get fat will also attribute some of the fat weight as being muscle weight.
Now there is one regard where a low dose can be quite effective. This is in fat loss. Many people, especially natural endomorphs, can enjoy easy fat loss for the first time in their lives on quite moderate doses such as 250 mg/week.
I would say that 500 mg/week is a reasonable minimum for muscle gains, except for an advanced trainer, who may need a gram a week to make much further gains. To advance to today’s pro bodybuilder status, even if one has the genetics, requires more yet, not just in quantity but in supplementary drugs such as GH and insulin, which I will not be discussing.
RebornNez
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He says athletes don't see improvements on 300mg a week but that doesn't make sense if the natural production of testosterone is like 100mg a week then why wouldn't they see results
My guess is that the athletes were likely already doping otherwise it just doesn't make sense how tripleing testosterone production yeilds no results
My guess is that the athletes were likely already doping otherwise it just doesn't make sense how tripleing testosterone production yeilds no results
Actually, no, the amount men produce naturally is apprx. 5-6 mg. per day
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